comment by Galvs...Friend of Reason. (U10415)
posted 1 minute ago
Nothing is impossible..anything COULD be true...it's not even 'the idea of a God' that is the most unbelievable thing, rather people apparently KNOWING there is one on faith alone and demanding respect for it or expecting it to be treated in the same way as other theories: You don't even think it's a theory, you see it as fact .

(forgetting that in science those two things are effectively the same....or were before it was twisted)
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It's more complicated than that.

I look at God and Gods laws differently.

I abide by Gods laws because I think morally I haven't found anything that compares to it.

I believe there is a God because I think that their is ample evidence to suggest the universe is a product of intelligent design.

That's how I chose Islam.

Through time other things emerge that strengthen faith that you can't understand yet. For instance you have never experienced reading the Quran in its original Arabic or the serenity of Islamic prayer.

I can't give you the fossilised remains of an angle to prove that they exist but there are other ways to believe in such things that you haven't tapped into yet.

comment by Galvs...Friend of Reason. (U10415)
posted 3 minutes ago
If you want to use that tit-fer-tat argument then George Bush claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

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A mission from God to give Iraqis freedom and democracy.

All that this proves is that you shouldn't blame violence on particular ideologies.

Logically speaking, if people were fair in their criticism of religion producing violence they'ed achnowledge that wars waged for freedom and democracy have killed far more people than any religion.

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comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 48 minutes ago
Generally speaking, I don't think that people who believe humans are part of a simulation, or were created by aliens, or multi-verses etc etc go around killing people that don't subscribe to their view.
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I think King Fu is getting Science and Science Fiction mixed up.

comment by Galvs...Friend of Reason. (U10415)
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comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Galvs...Friend of Reason. (U10415)
posted 3 minutes ago
If you want to use that tit-fer-tat argument then George Bush claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

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A mission from God to give Iraqis freedom and democracy.

All that this proves is that you shouldn't blame violence on particular ideologies.

Logically speaking, if people were fair in their criticism of religion producing violence they'ed achnowledge that wars waged for freedom and democracy have killed far more people than any religion.
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Are these 'Alternative facts' or?
Do we have a tally?
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Alternative facts?

Are you telling me Tony Blair and Bush didn't say they were attacking the Middle East because they wanted to protect our freedom and democracy and give the Iraqis and Afghanis Freedom and Democracy?

comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
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comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 48 minutes ago
Generally speaking, I don't think that people who believe humans are part of a simulation, or were created by aliens, or multi-verses etc etc go around killing people that don't subscribe to their view.
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I think King Fu is getting Science and Science Fiction mixed up.
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No, scientists actually think these things are possible.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/science/662598/Stephen-Hawking-black-holes-space-science-Harvard/amp

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comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 48 minutes ago
Generally speaking, I don't think that people who believe humans are part of a simulation, or were created by aliens, or multi-verses etc etc go around killing people that don't subscribe to their view.
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I think King Fu is getting Science and Science Fiction mixed up.
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No, scientists actually think these things are possible.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/science/662598/Stephen-Hawking-black-holes-space-science-Harvard/amp

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Where does Dr Hawkins claim suggest we are part of a simulation or that aliens exist?

The link suggests that Black Holes could be a path to other, not alternate, universes.

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comment by Galvs...Friend of Reason. (U10415)
posted 6 minutes ago
So In effect, I am closed-minded, ignorant, naive even?....going by the patronisation there....

Morals from God's law..?
What morals?

Intelligent design? ample 'evidence' ?
What evidence?
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How it patronising to say you haven't got the full picture because you haven't experienced certain things. I think maybe you are taking things a little personally....

Morals we've discussed over and over again. I've proved that Islam sought the end of slavery 1400 years ago when the idea was pure madness.

We've also discussed the criminal justice system and the military rules of engagement.

In my opinion it's these things are far more ethical than current practises adopted by so called democratic nations. If you disagree with that then fine.

I said ample evidence in the intelligent design of the universe, I pasted an article earlier on containing quotes from scientists about the probability of a creator. You should read it so I don't have to repeat my self.

comment by Galvs...Friend of Reason. (U10415)
posted 4 minutes ago
'scientists actually think these things are possible.'
Religious people know these are facts.

It's not the same thing mate.

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That's not what that was a response to was it.

Countinho said I was getting confused with science fiction. That was the context.

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posted 35 seconds ago
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comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 48 minutes ago
Generally speaking, I don't think that people who believe humans are part of a simulation, or were created by aliens, or multi-verses etc etc go around killing people that don't subscribe to their view.
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I think King Fu is getting Science and Science Fiction mixed up.
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No, scientists actually think these things are possible.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/science/662598/Stephen-Hawking-black-holes-space-science-Harvard/amp

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Where does Dr Hawkins claim suggest we are part of a simulation or that aliens exist?

The link suggests that Black Holes could be a path to other, not alternate, universes.
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Are pretending that I didn't also say multiverse? Hawkins suggests alternate universes, I don't get what the problem is here.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
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comment by Galvs...Friend of Reason. (U10415)
posted 4 minutes ago
'scientists actually think these things are possible.'
Religious people know these are facts.

It's not the same thing mate.

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That's not what that was a response to was it.

Countinho said I was getting confused with science fiction. That was the context.
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In response to your claim that scientists believe in both aliens and the possibility we live in a Matrix style simulation.

Even if there are studies into both the respective hypotheses have not been proven in either case. Not that I can recall studies into either. I assume you can?

Kung Fu

I was responding to this claim by you;

"Do you personally believe that it's possible that Multpiple universes exist in which another version of you is living a different reality. Do you believe its possible that we are living in a simulated universe or that we could have been created by aliens"

Yes Dr Hawkins suggests Black Holes are the pathway to other, or multiple, universes.

He does not suggest this leads to the possibility of "another version of you is living in a different reality" or that "we are living in a simulated universe or that we could have been created by aliens"

You claimed Science believes in both.

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comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 24 minutes ago
Kung Fu

I was responding to this claim by you;

"Do you personally believe that it's possible that Multpiple universes exist in which another version of you is living a different reality. Do you believe its possible that we are living in a simulated universe or that we could have been created by aliens"

Yes Dr Hawkins suggests Black Holes are the pathway to other, or multiple, universes.

He does not suggest this leads to the possibility of "another version of you is living in a different reality" or that "we are living in a simulated universe or that we could have been created by aliens"

You claimed Science believes in both.
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Yes but I gave a link to one thing I didn't know I had to supply links to everything I claimed.

The part of the multiverse theory is that there are different versions of us living different lives unless I'm mistaken?

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posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Galvs...Friend of Reason. (U10415)
posted 6 minutes ago
So In effect, I am closed-minded, ignorant, naive even?....going by the patronisation there....

Morals from God's law..?
What morals?

Intelligent design? ample 'evidence' ?
What evidence?
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How it patronising to say you haven't got the full picture because you haven't experienced certain things. I think maybe you are taking things a little personally....

Morals we've discussed over and over again. I've proved that Islam sought the end of slavery 1400 years ago when the idea was pure madness.

We've also discussed the criminal justice system and the military rules of engagement.

In my opinion it's these things are far more ethical than current practises adopted by so called democratic nations. If you disagree with that then fine.

I said ample evidence in the intelligent design of the universe, I pasted an article earlier on containing quotes from scientists about the probability of a creator. You should read it so I don't have to repeat my self.
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I haven't experienced supernatural things no.
You claim to have the full picture though?
Regarding law it's not that I disagree, rather that 'God's laws' are no longer necessary imo.
Neither is morality, unless you are still going around freeing slaves (to use your example)


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Slaves still exist in some parts of the world and who's to say that this planet won't go completely t1ts up in a couple of hundred years and we see slavery on the same level as 400 years ago.

I don't claim to have the full picture of life if that's what you think, I understand there are things I don't know and God says that as well.

I only claim to have a full picture of my religion in respect to understanding its laws and also understanding how God is described.

Muslims don't claim to know everything which is why a lot of scientific advancements were at the hands of Muslims.

"The part of the multiverse theory is that there are different versions of us living different lives unless I'm mistaken?"

I think that's only on Red Dwarf.

comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Generally speaking, I don't think that people who believe humans are part of a simulation, or were created by aliens, or multi-verses etc etc go around killing people that don't subscribe to their view.
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Generally no single group is well represented in that field, apart from the people who go aroung killing people group.

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"Do you personally believe that it's possible that Multpiple universes exist in which another version of you is living a different reality."

According to our best interpretations of quantum theory, the likelihood is that there is a 'near' infinitude of universes in an ever more quickly growing multiverse, the result of a branching occurring at the point of quantum decoherence.

The 'Many Worlds' Theorem was first posited by Hugh Everett only a few decades ago and has grown in popularity as the only really viable explanation for the Measurement Problem.

A very significant proportion of theoretical physicists now support the theory, including I believe Prof Brian Cox (and myself ).

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