0-0 but we shouldn't settle for either
I don't think those will be the only two possibilities
Just a question regarding what is actually the better score out of the two in two legged ties. Strangely enough in some circumstances a loss can be better than a draw.
There are very few scenarios in which the 2-1 loss would be better than a 0-0 in terms if the second leg result. Makes no sense to go with the 2-1 loss.
How about a win?
Anyone settling for a 2-1 defeat to Celta Vigo needs sectioning
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 16 seconds ago
How about a win?
Anyone settling for a 2-1 defeat to Celta Vigo needs sectioning
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Exactly 1 pogba= their entire team to put it in perspective financially.
I don't think people get my point
I'm not saying we should accept either. I'd love a win tonight and think we can do it
This question isn't just about tonight. It's also about any two legged tie. Can a 2-1 loss sometimes be as good as a 0-0 draw - sometimes better
comment by Robb : the Martin Samuel of ja606 (U21234)
posted 53 seconds ago
I don't think people get my point
I'm not saying we should accept either. I'd love a win tonight and think we can do it
This question isn't just about tonight. It's also about any two legged tie. Can a 2-1 loss sometimes be as good as a 0-0 draw - sometimes better
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Depends how you get on in the home leg
how does a 2-1 loss give you more freedom than a 0-0? Neither would be great results but a 0-0 and any win takes us through plus a 0-0 takes us to extra time.
A 2-1 loss would mean 1-0 would take us through which it would anyway with a 0-0 first leg result.
A 2-1 win would mean we'd go to extra time where as we'd go through if we drew the first leg 0-0.
And any other victory by a one goal margin would mean we'd be knocked out.
Literally makes no sense to prefer a 2-1 loss unless I'm missing something.
0-0 draw is better because it means any type of win in the home leg sends you through. You can still go out on away goals with a win if you lose 2-1 in the first leg, though.
Considering how badly we play when teams park the bus... I'd take the 0-0
I get your point though, that away goal has some serious value
How does it JSPC? In this scenario it has pretty much no value over a 0-0.
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 29 seconds ago
How does it JSPC? In this scenario it has pretty much no value over a 0-0.
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We'll have an away goal.
If we draw 0-0 we pretty much have to win the second leg. Rather have to win the second leg with an away goal in the bank than no away goal
If we lose 2-1 we have to win the home leg as well.
Wtf I've literally just laid it out. It literally makes no sense to prefer a 2-1 loss over a 0-0. We'd have to win either way but a 2-1 loss would limit the wins we can get where as a 0-0 and any win in the second leg will take us through. It literally makes nooooooooooo sense.
If we draw 0-0 we pretty much have to win the second leg. Rather have to win the second leg with an away goal in the bank than no away goal
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But so do the opposition, whereas if they win the home leg 2-1 they can just park the bus
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 1 minute ago
Wtf I've literally just laid it out. It literally makes no sense to prefer a 2-1 loss over a 0-0. We'd have to win either way but a 2-1 loss would limit the wins we can get where as a 0-0 and any win in the second leg will take us through. It literally makes nooooooooooo sense.
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Say it's 0-0 going into the second leg
We score and go 1-0 up. They then score and make us nervous as they have an away goal and we don't. At 1-1 we have to chase a second goal to go through but if they score again we're facked
If we go in 2-1 down we can have the freedom of knowing that even if they score it doesn't really change much
yeah it will cause they'll be 3-2 up in the tie. What the feck is this?
People over complicate the whole away goal rule. So often in commentary you here them try and explain what needs to happen when it's usually as simple as team a need to win.
in both cases we'd be chasing a goal. If we drew the first game a goal would take us through in that scenario. Where as if we lost the first game, we'd be chasing a goal to go to extra time.
Think this might have to be the first time ever you admit you are wrong.
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 30 seconds ago
yeah it will cause they'll be 3-2 up in the tie. What the feck is this?
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Yes but that away goal is less dangerous
At 0-0 we'll go into the game pretty much needing to win
As we would with a 2-1 deficit
But we should go into the second leg with the assumption they'll score at least one goal.
We should let them come on to us tonight and use the pace of our frontline now that Pogba is back to feed them
Or we go a goal down and then need three to avoid extra time. We get the three and they get a last minute goal to make it 3-2 and we go out.
Away goals is a facking shiiiiiit rule and should be scrapped anyway. But under no circumstances is it better to lose a game than draw 0-0.
yes and if they do they'd we'd need two just to get it to extra time. Where as if we drew the first game, 2 goals would take us through.
Can't tell if you're being stupid or on the wum. My suspicions are you were stupid at first and now you're on the wum.
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 1 minute ago
yes and if they do they'd we'd need two just to get it to extra time. Where as if we drew the first game, 2 goals would take us through.
Can't tell if you're being stupid or on the wum. My suspicions are you were stupid at first and now you're on the wum.
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No need for insults young man
I'm making a point that I believe in. Just an opinion
Going into a home game 0-0 from the first leg is very dangerous because every goal the away side gets counts as double and we have to be more careful going forward
With an away goal we can at least allow for one goal from them without it being deadly
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posted on 4/5/17
0-0 but we shouldn't settle for either
posted on 4/5/17
I don't think those will be the only two possibilities
Just a question regarding what is actually the better score out of the two in two legged ties. Strangely enough in some circumstances a loss can be better than a draw.
posted on 4/5/17
0-1 to us
posted on 4/5/17
There are very few scenarios in which the 2-1 loss would be better than a 0-0 in terms if the second leg result. Makes no sense to go with the 2-1 loss.
posted on 4/5/17
How about a win?
Anyone settling for a 2-1 defeat to Celta Vigo needs sectioning
posted on 4/5/17
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 16 seconds ago
How about a win?
Anyone settling for a 2-1 defeat to Celta Vigo needs sectioning
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Exactly 1 pogba= their entire team to put it in perspective financially.
posted on 4/5/17
I don't think people get my point
I'm not saying we should accept either. I'd love a win tonight and think we can do it
This question isn't just about tonight. It's also about any two legged tie. Can a 2-1 loss sometimes be as good as a 0-0 draw - sometimes better
posted on 4/5/17
comment by Robb : the Martin Samuel of ja606 (U21234)
posted 53 seconds ago
I don't think people get my point
I'm not saying we should accept either. I'd love a win tonight and think we can do it
This question isn't just about tonight. It's also about any two legged tie. Can a 2-1 loss sometimes be as good as a 0-0 draw - sometimes better
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Depends how you get on in the home leg
posted on 4/5/17
how does a 2-1 loss give you more freedom than a 0-0? Neither would be great results but a 0-0 and any win takes us through plus a 0-0 takes us to extra time.
A 2-1 loss would mean 1-0 would take us through which it would anyway with a 0-0 first leg result.
A 2-1 win would mean we'd go to extra time where as we'd go through if we drew the first leg 0-0.
And any other victory by a one goal margin would mean we'd be knocked out.
Literally makes no sense to prefer a 2-1 loss unless I'm missing something.
posted on 4/5/17
0-0 draw is better because it means any type of win in the home leg sends you through. You can still go out on away goals with a win if you lose 2-1 in the first leg, though.
posted on 4/5/17
Considering how badly we play when teams park the bus... I'd take the 0-0
I get your point though, that away goal has some serious value
posted on 4/5/17
How does it JSPC? In this scenario it has pretty much no value over a 0-0.
posted on 4/5/17
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 29 seconds ago
How does it JSPC? In this scenario it has pretty much no value over a 0-0.
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We'll have an away goal.
If we draw 0-0 we pretty much have to win the second leg. Rather have to win the second leg with an away goal in the bank than no away goal
posted on 4/5/17
If we lose 2-1 we have to win the home leg as well.
posted on 4/5/17
Wtf I've literally just laid it out. It literally makes no sense to prefer a 2-1 loss over a 0-0. We'd have to win either way but a 2-1 loss would limit the wins we can get where as a 0-0 and any win in the second leg will take us through. It literally makes nooooooooooo sense.
posted on 4/5/17
If we draw 0-0 we pretty much have to win the second leg. Rather have to win the second leg with an away goal in the bank than no away goal
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But so do the opposition, whereas if they win the home leg 2-1 they can just park the bus
posted on 4/5/17
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 1 minute ago
Wtf I've literally just laid it out. It literally makes no sense to prefer a 2-1 loss over a 0-0. We'd have to win either way but a 2-1 loss would limit the wins we can get where as a 0-0 and any win in the second leg will take us through. It literally makes nooooooooooo sense.
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Say it's 0-0 going into the second leg
We score and go 1-0 up. They then score and make us nervous as they have an away goal and we don't. At 1-1 we have to chase a second goal to go through but if they score again we're facked
If we go in 2-1 down we can have the freedom of knowing that even if they score it doesn't really change much
posted on 4/5/17
yeah it will cause they'll be 3-2 up in the tie. What the feck is this?
posted on 4/5/17
People over complicate the whole away goal rule. So often in commentary you here them try and explain what needs to happen when it's usually as simple as team a need to win.
posted on 4/5/17
in both cases we'd be chasing a goal. If we drew the first game a goal would take us through in that scenario. Where as if we lost the first game, we'd be chasing a goal to go to extra time.
Think this might have to be the first time ever you admit you are wrong.
posted on 4/5/17
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 30 seconds ago
yeah it will cause they'll be 3-2 up in the tie. What the feck is this?
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Yes but that away goal is less dangerous
At 0-0 we'll go into the game pretty much needing to win
As we would with a 2-1 deficit
But we should go into the second leg with the assumption they'll score at least one goal.
posted on 4/5/17
We should let them come on to us tonight and use the pace of our frontline now that Pogba is back to feed them
posted on 4/5/17
Or we go a goal down and then need three to avoid extra time. We get the three and they get a last minute goal to make it 3-2 and we go out.
Away goals is a facking shiiiiiit rule and should be scrapped anyway. But under no circumstances is it better to lose a game than draw 0-0.
posted on 4/5/17
yes and if they do they'd we'd need two just to get it to extra time. Where as if we drew the first game, 2 goals would take us through.
Can't tell if you're being stupid or on the wum. My suspicions are you were stupid at first and now you're on the wum.
posted on 4/5/17
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 1 minute ago
yes and if they do they'd we'd need two just to get it to extra time. Where as if we drew the first game, 2 goals would take us through.
Can't tell if you're being stupid or on the wum. My suspicions are you were stupid at first and now you're on the wum.
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No need for insults young man
I'm making a point that I believe in. Just an opinion
Going into a home game 0-0 from the first leg is very dangerous because every goal the away side gets counts as double and we have to be more careful going forward
With an away goal we can at least allow for one goal from them without it being deadly
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