BTW, sorry my comment does not really relate to the article DOH!
Arsenal are the club for jilted lovers.
Gyan admitted that he went for the money?
I think this article is missing one key point:
To put this in context, if you were being paid £75k a week to support the team you love, and someone offered you £100k a week to change your support - would you do it?
I often agree that we can't expect much loyalty from players that are ultimately playing football as a career, and a short career at that.
But where I have some sympathy with fans is when a player that is supposedly committed to the club, has his head turned by an offer of more money, despite that fact that they will earn multi-millions on their current contract.
It's hardly like offering a poor man a chance at earning a good wage, is it?
--------------------------------------------------
Just about spot on.
If you are earning £1k a week and sombody offers you £100k to support city you'll do it, but if you are offered the same but already earn £75k there's very few who would switch, and here we have the biggest difference between fans and players.
Gyan admitted that he went for the money?
He is paying a chunk of his wages to the Sunderland charity fund
I would never ever ever ever support City, even for £100k per week.
I would however support Tottenham for £100k per week.
To put this in context, if you were being paid £75k a week to support the team you love, and someone offered you £100k a week to change your support - would you do it?
----------------------------
Or to put this in its proper context, if you were being paid £75k to support a team you don't love (but only have a professional allegiance to), and someone offered you £100k to change your support to another team, would you do it?
I often agree that we can't expect much loyalty from players that are ultimately playing football as a career, and a short career at that.
------------
Personally i really hate comments from people saying they have short careers. Do me a favour there getting payed 75k PER WEEK, thats the kind of salary someone gets for 2 years of hard work.
Again using Rooney as an examply hes on over 200k PER week.
Take Someone earning 30k PER YEAR and it would take that person over 6 years to earn what rooney makes in a week.
24 Year to make Rooney 1 month salary do me a favour.
They should just say he went to his 'Boyhood Club' to appease the fans.
It worked when Ronaldo left United to join Real Madrid - Even though young Christiano was born in Madiera, moved to Lisbon as a teenager before moving to Manchester, the reds were quite happy to kid themselves that RM were his boyhood club.
RipleysCat (U1862)
You call it professinal alleigance, but some players go beyond that, don't they?
BO$$™ (U6401)
Your comments maybe accurate, but it doesn't mean that it's incorrect to call it a short career.
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
What if Gyan was to get injured tomorrow and never plays again.
Players have to think of their future and I say fair play to him for being honest about his reasons for going.
How on earth does being offered £100k to support City relate in any way to players moving clubs for more money?
Some people seem to forget that footballers are professionals. They are no different to anyone else working in any profession. If you are good at your job and are earning a reasonable wage where you are and another company offered you more money to do the same job, would you take it or stay where you are? Of course, there could be reasons why you wouldn't, but loyalty isn't one of them.
So there's players moving to the far East for more money. So what? How is this any different to the players we lost to the USA in the 70s and 80s? They are being offered a fortune to do the same job, so why not? The players are rarely fans of the club they play for, there's no loyalty. Why would there be? It's just a job.
I think some people are attaching way too much emotional baggage to the players which is simply not there. A player can enjoy playing for a club, but it doesn't follow that they support that club. It can't do. Supporting a club is completely different. We don't follow a team because we have to, we do it because we want to. Anyone who'd take money to pretend to support another club isn't a proper supporter of their existing club. Yes, as handy as the money would be, I'd not take a single penny to support another club.
Anyone who'd take money to pretend to support another club isn't a proper supporter of their existing club. Yes, as handy as the money would be, I'd not take a single penny to support another club.
------------------------------------------
I'm sorry, but i struggle to believe that. It makes good noises in a hypothetical situation, but if that contract of support was slapped on the table in front of you, like everyone else, i'm sure the dollar signs would overrule the crest in your eyes, at least temporarily.
It's refreshing to see the honesty of others.... support of your beloved club is one thing, turning down 5.2m per year is another entirely.
leopold (U10439)
I agree with your points, and I think the article should be taken tongue in cheek, really.
Having said that, there are some players that are on good money and make out that they do have an affialiation and a loyalty to the club, only to have their head turned by even more money.
Perhaps the grief they receive from the fans is then understandable, given the noises about how loyal they are, that they have made prior to their decision?
Your comments maybe accurate, but it doesn't mean that it's incorrect to call it a short career.
------
Again taking Rooney as an example
Started at 16 in the 1st team for Everton
Probably retire at around 35
Almost 20 year i'd hardly call that a short career.
Lets have the flip side to this as well though. There are some players who love a club and are forced out for 1 reason or another. I have no doubt that Barton would have stayed at Newcastle if he could and that Pardew would have loved to keep him had it not been for the new policy introduced by the owner and Kia J. Crouch was allededly forced out by Spurs and Fowler was certainly forced out of Liverpool the first time.
So loyalty as far as clubs go is in just as short supply which is strange when managers are the ones who bang on about players owing the club something.
You call it professinal alleigance, but some players go beyond that, don't they?
----------------------------
I would say some do, yes.
"Perhaps the grief they receive from the fans is then understandable, given the noises about how loyal they are, that they have made prior to their decision?"
You know, I'd totally buy into that argument if those same fans didn't celebrate a new signing coming to their club. If loyalty truly existed within football, then wouldn't, for example, Wayne Rooney still be plying his trade at Everton?
I think in his first Autobiography that Rooney blamed Moyes for forcing him out and there was a legal bit of a do about that. It delayed the book and I think was removed though I could be wrong.
I think what makes this hypothetical question so hard to stomach is the huge disparity between (I'm assuming) all of us and what we earn and what footballers earn.
If footballers were paid say only £100-200k a year I think there would be more loyalty to clubs and there would be a greater interaction between supporters and the players we flock to watch because at least transfers would more than likely be based upon places where footballers would actually like to be and footballing reasons rather than solely money.
If companies then want to pay players mega bucks for wearing their boots etc so be it, but at least this money would not be related to what club a player plays for.
Just a thought......
BO$$™ (U6401)
When most people's career is 50 years, I'd say it's definitely a short career. Particularly if it's shortened further by injury
Zaphod Zoeller (U2027)
So far, the only people who have stated they are willing to switch allegiance to City for £100k a week are all Arsenal fans. I'm sure this should tell us something. Are you amongst these fairweather types who are itching for an excuse to jump ship?
Asking me if I'd take £100k a week to support City is a moot point; I've been supporting them for over 3 decades for nothing, so if that offer pitched up then I'd take it. But if you were to offer it to support someone else? No thanks. Why not offer me a million to switch my wife, or perhaps offer a Ferrari for my first born?
RipleysCat (U1862)
Of course - it's not straight lines and neat boxes.
Most of what has been said is right, but I think when a player makes a point of showing their loyalty, it's natural that fans will turn on them if they suddenly leave to earn even more millions!
Sign in if you want to comment
For 100k a week would you support City?
Page 2 of 3
posted on 13/9/11
BTW, sorry my comment does not really relate to the article DOH!
posted on 13/9/11
Arsenal are the club for jilted lovers.
posted on 13/9/11
Gyan admitted that he went for the money?
posted on 13/9/11
I think this article is missing one key point:
To put this in context, if you were being paid £75k a week to support the team you love, and someone offered you £100k a week to change your support - would you do it?
I often agree that we can't expect much loyalty from players that are ultimately playing football as a career, and a short career at that.
But where I have some sympathy with fans is when a player that is supposedly committed to the club, has his head turned by an offer of more money, despite that fact that they will earn multi-millions on their current contract.
It's hardly like offering a poor man a chance at earning a good wage, is it?
--------------------------------------------------
Just about spot on.
If you are earning £1k a week and sombody offers you £100k to support city you'll do it, but if you are offered the same but already earn £75k there's very few who would switch, and here we have the biggest difference between fans and players.
posted on 13/9/11
Gyan admitted that he went for the money?
He is paying a chunk of his wages to the Sunderland charity fund
posted on 13/9/11
I would never ever ever ever support City, even for £100k per week.
I would however support Tottenham for £100k per week.
posted on 13/9/11
To put this in context, if you were being paid £75k a week to support the team you love, and someone offered you £100k a week to change your support - would you do it?
----------------------------
Or to put this in its proper context, if you were being paid £75k to support a team you don't love (but only have a professional allegiance to), and someone offered you £100k to change your support to another team, would you do it?
posted on 13/9/11
I often agree that we can't expect much loyalty from players that are ultimately playing football as a career, and a short career at that.
------------
Personally i really hate comments from people saying they have short careers. Do me a favour there getting payed 75k PER WEEK, thats the kind of salary someone gets for 2 years of hard work.
Again using Rooney as an examply hes on over 200k PER week.
Take Someone earning 30k PER YEAR and it would take that person over 6 years to earn what rooney makes in a week.
24 Year to make Rooney 1 month salary do me a favour.
posted on 13/9/11
They should just say he went to his 'Boyhood Club' to appease the fans.
It worked when Ronaldo left United to join Real Madrid - Even though young Christiano was born in Madiera, moved to Lisbon as a teenager before moving to Manchester, the reds were quite happy to kid themselves that RM were his boyhood club.
posted on 13/9/11
RipleysCat (U1862)
You call it professinal alleigance, but some players go beyond that, don't they?
posted on 13/9/11
BO$$™ (U6401)
Your comments maybe accurate, but it doesn't mean that it's incorrect to call it a short career.
posted on 13/9/11
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 13/9/11
What if Gyan was to get injured tomorrow and never plays again.
Players have to think of their future and I say fair play to him for being honest about his reasons for going.
posted on 13/9/11
How on earth does being offered £100k to support City relate in any way to players moving clubs for more money?
Some people seem to forget that footballers are professionals. They are no different to anyone else working in any profession. If you are good at your job and are earning a reasonable wage where you are and another company offered you more money to do the same job, would you take it or stay where you are? Of course, there could be reasons why you wouldn't, but loyalty isn't one of them.
So there's players moving to the far East for more money. So what? How is this any different to the players we lost to the USA in the 70s and 80s? They are being offered a fortune to do the same job, so why not? The players are rarely fans of the club they play for, there's no loyalty. Why would there be? It's just a job.
I think some people are attaching way too much emotional baggage to the players which is simply not there. A player can enjoy playing for a club, but it doesn't follow that they support that club. It can't do. Supporting a club is completely different. We don't follow a team because we have to, we do it because we want to. Anyone who'd take money to pretend to support another club isn't a proper supporter of their existing club. Yes, as handy as the money would be, I'd not take a single penny to support another club.
posted on 13/9/11
Anyone who'd take money to pretend to support another club isn't a proper supporter of their existing club. Yes, as handy as the money would be, I'd not take a single penny to support another club.
------------------------------------------
I'm sorry, but i struggle to believe that. It makes good noises in a hypothetical situation, but if that contract of support was slapped on the table in front of you, like everyone else, i'm sure the dollar signs would overrule the crest in your eyes, at least temporarily.
It's refreshing to see the honesty of others.... support of your beloved club is one thing, turning down 5.2m per year is another entirely.
posted on 13/9/11
leopold (U10439)
I agree with your points, and I think the article should be taken tongue in cheek, really.
Having said that, there are some players that are on good money and make out that they do have an affialiation and a loyalty to the club, only to have their head turned by even more money.
Perhaps the grief they receive from the fans is then understandable, given the noises about how loyal they are, that they have made prior to their decision?
posted on 13/9/11
Your comments maybe accurate, but it doesn't mean that it's incorrect to call it a short career.
------
Again taking Rooney as an example
Started at 16 in the 1st team for Everton
Probably retire at around 35
Almost 20 year i'd hardly call that a short career.
posted on 13/9/11
Lets have the flip side to this as well though. There are some players who love a club and are forced out for 1 reason or another. I have no doubt that Barton would have stayed at Newcastle if he could and that Pardew would have loved to keep him had it not been for the new policy introduced by the owner and Kia J. Crouch was allededly forced out by Spurs and Fowler was certainly forced out of Liverpool the first time.
So loyalty as far as clubs go is in just as short supply which is strange when managers are the ones who bang on about players owing the club something.
posted on 13/9/11
You call it professinal alleigance, but some players go beyond that, don't they?
----------------------------
I would say some do, yes.
posted on 13/9/11
"Perhaps the grief they receive from the fans is then understandable, given the noises about how loyal they are, that they have made prior to their decision?"
You know, I'd totally buy into that argument if those same fans didn't celebrate a new signing coming to their club. If loyalty truly existed within football, then wouldn't, for example, Wayne Rooney still be plying his trade at Everton?
posted on 13/9/11
I think in his first Autobiography that Rooney blamed Moyes for forcing him out and there was a legal bit of a do about that. It delayed the book and I think was removed though I could be wrong.
posted on 13/9/11
I think what makes this hypothetical question so hard to stomach is the huge disparity between (I'm assuming) all of us and what we earn and what footballers earn.
If footballers were paid say only £100-200k a year I think there would be more loyalty to clubs and there would be a greater interaction between supporters and the players we flock to watch because at least transfers would more than likely be based upon places where footballers would actually like to be and footballing reasons rather than solely money.
If companies then want to pay players mega bucks for wearing their boots etc so be it, but at least this money would not be related to what club a player plays for.
Just a thought......
posted on 13/9/11
BO$$™ (U6401)
When most people's career is 50 years, I'd say it's definitely a short career. Particularly if it's shortened further by injury
posted on 13/9/11
Zaphod Zoeller (U2027)
So far, the only people who have stated they are willing to switch allegiance to City for £100k a week are all Arsenal fans. I'm sure this should tell us something. Are you amongst these fairweather types who are itching for an excuse to jump ship?
Asking me if I'd take £100k a week to support City is a moot point; I've been supporting them for over 3 decades for nothing, so if that offer pitched up then I'd take it. But if you were to offer it to support someone else? No thanks. Why not offer me a million to switch my wife, or perhaps offer a Ferrari for my first born?
posted on 13/9/11
RipleysCat (U1862)
Of course - it's not straight lines and neat boxes.
Most of what has been said is right, but I think when a player makes a point of showing their loyalty, it's natural that fans will turn on them if they suddenly leave to earn even more millions!
Page 2 of 3