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comment by Curly 💩 - I'm mumpsimus and I know it.... (U1103)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV-they want my name! (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
'Well closer to that damn record those fackers have held for so long for one thing'

Anyone want to translate?
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He is referring to our world record 54 domestic titles and that the reason Lawwell wants an inquiry is to try and get some of our titles stripped so that Celtic would be nearer the record

I thought that was blatantly obvious

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Blatantly obvious in any of his correspondence?

Or reading between the lines again?

Bears and facts eh?

Pfft.







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comment by 🇬🇧 ABcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz7 (U16936)
posted 8 seconds ago
Altogether now, the cry was no surrenderrrr
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😂😂😂

That's the spirit.

Where does Lawell say anything about stripping titles or punishments for anyone?

If someone can give me a link to where he says it, please.

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comment by Curly 💩 - I'm mumpsimus and I know it.' (except on a Wednesday, that is my obstreperous day ) - ITS JIST A BIG CLIQUE N'AT (U1103)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by My POV-they want my name! (U10636)
posted 16 minutes ago
Where does Lawell say anything about stripping titles or punishments for anyone?

If someone can give me a link to where he says it, please.
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We are reading between the lines, for the sake of accuracy and that

I wish you would make your mind up about the basis of your arguments

If you keep shifting the goalposts like you have done tonight one may conclude that you just like arguing for arguments sake

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Quite.

Incompetence and not fit for purpose is the new mantra from the moon howlers bet how do they know this if there's been no enquiry

What incompetence is it they speak of, if the told us that we could maybe back their "one man band " their "one trick pony "

I see nothing really happened on here today then...

comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 12 seconds ago
I see nothing really happened on here today then...
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A fair assessment.

Nothing beats stirring the pot though.

And on that final note from me I bid you all a pleasant night.

What I don't get is what needs to be investigated

Did the SFA break their own rules in allowing company without 3 years of accounts to gain SFA membership.....answer, yes

Why did they do that?....Because the SPL clubs voted for a motion to kick Rangers out of the SPL but remained very quiet when the prospect of placing them in the 1st division was mooted....there was also the fact that 29 of the 30 clubs in the SFL voted to allow Rangers to become SFL members and to play in the third division

After that....the SFA had to handle the issue of transferring Rangers SFA membership over from the old one to the newco, something that the rules clearly state, was down to their own discretion

So please tell me, what is it that needs to be investigated here?

Legal eagles have all said the SFA can't punish Rangers retrospectively

It's clearly obvious that almost all the clubs in Scotland wanted Rangers to remain within the leagues

At the time, the SPL was hell bent on chasing Rangers TV money and were desperate to see us placed as high up the lower leagues as possible, something no SPL club argued with at the time

The SFL clubs were all given a say

The SFA decided they would allow it, seeing as everyone wanted it, but imposed a transfer ban, fines and other sanctions so Rangers didn't get off scot free

I honestly don't see what needs to be investigated here, we all know what happened and the time for moaning about it was when it happened 5 years ago, not now that a Supreme Court decision has said that tax should be paid by a company in liquidation???

Ignorance is bliss Stevie.

The majority of what you took so long to type is rubbish to be fair. The correct information is all out there, if you want to find it.

Take a look and it might make more sense.

So it's okay for one club to gain 50m in illegal money and everyone is expected to turn a blind eye.

Rangers il knew what they were doing. They paid players in brown envelopes under the table to gain an advantage and deserve to be punished.

It is corruption that the sfa are trying to cover up.

What was illegal about it Timmy?

It wasnt illegal to employ an EBT scheme, and it still isn't.

It is illegal not to pay that tax when it is due...something we would be doing right now if we hadn't liquidated, hence BDO have been left with the bill

Where's the cover up?

We declared everything we were doing

If the SFA are anything.....it's incompetent, hence the legal advice saying they don't have a fcking legal leg to stand on now

Read these Stevie. It might help.

http://cdn.celticfc.net/assets/downloads/SFA_Correspondence.pdf

A review probably would be the right thing to do. But in my opinion nothing will satisfy most onlookers as decisions on opinions are generally made and it would for me likely become an exercise in what punishments are available and can titles be stripped rather than looking at what Scottish football did wrong, What could have been and what lessons have been learned.

I've read them already

The SFA have clearly outlined their position, and the only matter they feel needs looked at is the 2011 issuing of a UEFA licence

Celtic just won't take no for an answer is the problm

Slightly ironic that they're willing to look at one incident and not the full events overall. Why?

Is it because they feel they can say they were duped over information they received from an entity that they can't punish?

Lawell has made it clear that this is not about further punishment for anyone, just how did our governing body let this happen, what was their role, how did they deal with it and have the lessons genuinely been learned.

Your summation of what happened is wildly inaccurate Stevie, as was your analogy earlier comparing what your club did with Chelsea spending money. It's up to Celtic if they want to stop or not. They're doing what they feel is best for our club, and they also seem to believe that it could help Scottish football. You don't, and that's fair enough. I don't expect there will be a lot of support at board level from other clubs, but I suspect that there are fans of other clubs who would like to know the full story as to how so much went wrong, how it was allowed to happen, why it was managed so poorly, and what can we do to stop it happening again.

Miller-it's then about presenting facts. People may come to their own conclusions, but give us the facts to let us make our own mind up.

I'd be happy for the facts to be presented. I think everyone knows that the governance of the bodies was lacking. How exactly they were aware / ignored / willingly duped etc is up for question.

But as I said I just don't think that's what the vast majority would want the review if there was one to be about. Opinions and minds have largely been formed. All you need to do is read this board for half an hour when it's discussed to see no consensus gets achieved and if anything it becomes a topic not worth getting involved in.

Said on several occasions that I genuinely believe that the majority of people that don't want a review have a fear of something coming out of this. Regan, SFA, Rangers fans, boards of other clubs.

I think a lot of our fans think that a further enquiry would lead to an outcome they want about Gers titles. But Lawell has been at pains to say that's not why they're asking for it. I don't think an enquiry will bring out further disciplinary action for the Gers, as I don't think the authorities want that to happen, but I think it will give clarity in who did what, and let us find out why.

For me, this isn't a man comfortable and genuinely believing what he's saying.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/907262376587788289/video/1

Questions need to be asked though if we are going into what went wrong and what can be learned as to why the spl couldn't guarantee fixtures in the same way that the English Premier worked to ensure Portsmouth completed its programme or they even for Gretna. Why the prize money was immediately dispersed amongst the remaining spl members - this could easily have been used as a discretionary fund to ensure the completion of the programme. Why Doncaster is not being circled like a shark in the same way Regan is as both are equally ill equipped for their jobs in my opinion. Another question would perhaps be why hearts in their cup winning season were able to lumber through non official administration until the seasons end whilst everyone knew they were in trouble without any particular action.

This is all before even getting to things like the agreements that got Rangers in the third division and playing on TV at least as much as any top tier side and yet getting far less in TV revenues.

If the review challenged items like this also it might be looked at as less of an urge to satisfy an itch needing scratched on getting rangers and the seeming collaboraters.

I agree that all that should be brought into the scope as well-because most of it is to do with how they dealt with the aftermath from 2011 onwards.

Did Hearts win a cup the year they went into admin though?

Hearts won it in 2012. Had a registration ban in October 2012 after continually not paying players. Ukio were declared bankrupt in may 2013 but spl decided that they weren't insolvent so a points deduction wasn't necessary. To me all those seem inter connected. Within a few months of winning the cup they're stumbling from one financial mess to another.