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posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
So to conclude, defund the police is now an idiom.😂 Don't tell AoC she has all kinds of problems with figurative language.
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You're much smarter than her, you prove that every day.
Guys, Macron. He just threatened Canada with sanctions if Canada doesnt allow his people to enter.
He's funny. Cheeky. And a fekin walloper.
Discuss.
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posted 18 minutes ago
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posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
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posted 8 minutes ago
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posted 11 minutes ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot - Southgate FFS (U10408)
posted 7 minutes ago
Defined the police! Defund the police!
(Signs huge dollar bill for more police protection)
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The bill, as I understand it, sets out proposals to invest in ..."more police officers, more nurses, more counsellors, more social workers or community violence interrupters to help resolve issues before they escalate into crimes"
Which is precisely what the 'defund the police' movement had been pushing for. To reallocate resources to include community support, more funding for social & youth services etc.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/29/continuing-gop-fiction-that-president-biden-supports-defunding-police/
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That's not defunding the police then. In fact that's giving the police more money (funding more police officers), while also funding other things. Why do they shoot themselves in the foot like this. Why give such an obviously confrontational and ridiculous name to that idea?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The 'defunding the police' movement was not about completely stripping resources from police departments. But to reallocate funds to other areas *as well as" increasing the effectiveness of the police (training etc).
Terminology aside, it (on the face of it) looks like a positive measure.
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Defunding the police is not a phrase that explains itself just by reading it.
You have to apply some level of critical thought and use mental calories to understand it and this is precisely why we see confusion on this issue from some of our right leaning brothers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with ttliv insofar as the use of the term ‘defund’ doesn’t do justice in representing what are excellent, evidence-based arguments with the potential to do great social good.
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Its a matter of perception. Give them an inch they take a yard.
You must force them to use their brains. Allow this laziness of thought and next thing you know they tell you taking the knee means support for marxism.
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Is it easier to make (and ultimately win) the argument if you *introduce it* with talk of defunding the police and reallocating their budget, or by talking about helping the police through the delivery of (ultimately cheaper) community and mental health support services so they can focus on investigating crimes?
Bear in mind that it’s the general public - of all political colours - who are going to need to be won over here.
comment by Just Shoot - Southgate FFS (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
Flint Town, if you are interested. 👍
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Flint has bigger problems. Water if you're interested.
comment by Just Shoot - Southgate FFS (U10408)
posted 5 minutes ago
Flint Town, if you are interested. 👍
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This is how you make the argument.
The police are being asked/being instructed/expected to do *far* more than they should be doing.
Curb their roles and responsibilities. Help them, give them a chance to, do their real jobs - investigating crimes and arresting perpetrators - better.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot - Southgate FFS (U10408)
posted 5 minutes ago
Flint Town, if you are interested. 👍
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This is how you make the argument.
The police are being asked/being instructed/expected to do *far* more than they should be doing.
Curb their roles and responsibilities. Help them, give them a chance to, do their real jobs - investigating crimes and arresting perpetrators - better.
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Yep, yep, yep. But don't cut their funding.
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Well that depends on how much you’re going to reduce their roles by.
If the reallocation of duties results in them requiring 25% less staff, then you might be able to shift a proportion of that saving to fund the other services you’ll need to fill the gap.
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posted 15 minutes ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
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posted 8 minutes ago
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posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
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posted 3 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot - Southgate FFS (U10408)
posted 7 minutes ago
Defined the police! Defund the police!
(Signs huge dollar bill for more police protection)
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The bill, as I understand it, sets out proposals to invest in ..."more police officers, more nurses, more counsellors, more social workers or community violence interrupters to help resolve issues before they escalate into crimes"
Which is precisely what the 'defund the police' movement had been pushing for. To reallocate resources to include community support, more funding for social & youth services etc.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/29/continuing-gop-fiction-that-president-biden-supports-defunding-police/
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That's not defunding the police then. In fact that's giving the police more money (funding more police officers), while also funding other things. Why do they shoot themselves in the foot like this. Why give such an obviously confrontational and ridiculous name to that idea?
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Who? BLM or the government?
Funny that I found this in your own twitter link
https://mobile.twitter.com/saedaaya/status/1412075196887019527
Defunding the police doesn't not necessarily mean less police or less money for police. Educate yourself.
Regular people don't know how much money govt has. The usual excuse for sending cops to social situations was always they there was no money to hire social workers and medical experts to send to those situations.
So people suggested taking some funds meant for police and getting people more suited to some of the jobs police have been doing. If they have enough money to support police and still bring in social workers and paramedics then thats great. Doesn't mean you hate police. Just saying sending police to some situations is not working and is asking for trouble. How many mentally ill people must police unnecessarily kill before this sinks in?
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Shifting sands.
Defund the police was originally about taking money away from the police to invest in other areas - that's kind what defund means. 🤦♂️
Whilst allocating money for other areas is definitely a worth while exercise, reducing the police budgets isn't. More, not less police is what's needed.
Even though with other areas getting funding police work should be reduced, they are still (from what I've read) way understaffed, undertrained and over worked.
Defunding the police in any way is ridiculous, adding money and bringing in new services would be great too.
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If you have the money then fair enough but if administrators say there is no money then available resources must be shared equitably. Paramedics and social and mental health workers also save lives.
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If you need to feed someone you don't take food from the hungry.
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For me, that's exactly the point of "defunding the police". Stop taking money away from the poor to pay for more police to crack down on the poor. Spend that money on something that stops the poor needing to commit crimes to eat*, or you're just perpetuating the problem. Then you can set the police on to those "real crimes" that people bang on about when they get caught speeding.
*Obviously not all crime is done through necessity, but some of it really is. And in those cases police action invariably makes everything worse, and probably costs more.
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And that would be fine if the police were in a stronger position than they currently are. The stats in crime are awful in some places in the states - over 100 shootings in a weekend in some places.
I'm all for helping the less fortunate, but the police need more at the moment, not less. And that is why the Capitol Hill billion dollar bill stinks. Protecting those that aren't in the thick of it, while others are suffering.
There is a great docu-series on cops in Michigan on Netflix. The corners they have to cut to just about manage is ridiculous. And then the public give them abuse because they don't respond quick enough.
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Poor planning and logistics with cops having to bring grannys cat down from the tree, taking all their time and resources.
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posted 6 minutes ago
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posted 18 minutes ago
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posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
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posted 8 minutes ago
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posted 11 minutes ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot - Southgate FFS (U10408)
posted 7 minutes ago
Defined the police! Defund the police!
(Signs huge dollar bill for more police protection)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The bill, as I understand it, sets out proposals to invest in ..."more police officers, more nurses, more counsellors, more social workers or community violence interrupters to help resolve issues before they escalate into crimes"
Which is precisely what the 'defund the police' movement had been pushing for. To reallocate resources to include community support, more funding for social & youth services etc.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/29/continuing-gop-fiction-that-president-biden-supports-defunding-police/
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That's not defunding the police then. In fact that's giving the police more money (funding more police officers), while also funding other things. Why do they shoot themselves in the foot like this. Why give such an obviously confrontational and ridiculous name to that idea?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The 'defunding the police' movement was not about completely stripping resources from police departments. But to reallocate funds to other areas *as well as" increasing the effectiveness of the police (training etc).
Terminology aside, it (on the face of it) looks like a positive measure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Defunding the police is not a phrase that explains itself just by reading it.
You have to apply some level of critical thought and use mental calories to understand it and this is precisely why we see confusion on this issue from some of our right leaning brothers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with ttliv insofar as the use of the term ‘defund’ doesn’t do justice in representing what are excellent, evidence-based arguments with the potential to do great social good.
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Its a matter of perception. Give them an inch they take a yard.
You must force them to use their brains. Allow this laziness of thought and next thing you know they tell you taking the knee means support for marxism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is it easier to make (and ultimately win) the argument if you *introduce it* with talk of defunding the police and reallocating their budget, or by talking about helping the police through the delivery of (ultimately cheaper) community and mental health support services so they can focus on investigating crimes?
Bear in mind that it’s the general public - of all political colours - who are going to need to be won over here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I saw a piece on PBS about a month ago. A police chief was saying that his colleagues were always complaining about all the different tasks they had and how it WOULD be better to reallocate funds for mental health and social workers. A police chief. I'll take his word on it.
leaving no time to conduct proper investigations so that more perps get away and innocents go to jail.
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posted 57 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot - Southgate FFS (U10408)
posted 5 minutes ago
Flint Town, if you are interested. 👍
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This is how you make the argument.
The police are being asked/being instructed/expected to do *far* more than they should be doing.
Curb their roles and responsibilities. Help them, give them a chance to, do their real jobs - investigating crimes and arresting perpetrators - better.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, yep, yep. But don't cut their funding.
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Well that depends on how much you’re going to reduce their roles by.
If the reallocation of duties results in them requiring 25% less staff, then you might be able to shift a proportion of that saving to fund the other services you’ll need to fill the gap.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From what I've read and watched, people don't call the police so much anymore as they won't come, are too late etc. unless its a serious crime. That with spikes in shootings and violence it seems a dangerous game to play for the number crunchers.
Bring the crime down and gain stability, then possibly reduce the funds if needed. 👍
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You're really struggling to grasp this mate.
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So sad.
Lifestyle undoubtedly led to his death. Met him a few times and was an absolute gentleman. RiP Andy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/57856227
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausage Monster (U3126)
posted 10 hours, 3 minutes ago
So sad.
Lifestyle undoubtedly led to his death. Met him a few times and was an absolute gentleman. RiP Andy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/57856227
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👍 from what I recall he lost an absolute load of weight too in his later years to improve his prospects.
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posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
So to conclude, defund the police is now an idiom.😂 Don't tell AoC she has all kinds of problems with figurative language.
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You're much smarter than her, you prove that every day.
posted on 15/7/21
Guys, Macron. He just threatened Canada with sanctions if Canada doesnt allow his people to enter.
He's funny. Cheeky. And a fekin walloper.
Discuss.
posted on 15/7/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Hitokiri Battousai, Rurouni Himura Kenshin (U1282)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot - Southgate FFS (U10408)
posted 7 minutes ago
Defined the police! Defund the police!
(Signs huge dollar bill for more police protection)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The bill, as I understand it, sets out proposals to invest in ..."more police officers, more nurses, more counsellors, more social workers or community violence interrupters to help resolve issues before they escalate into crimes"
Which is precisely what the 'defund the police' movement had been pushing for. To reallocate resources to include community support, more funding for social & youth services etc.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/29/continuing-gop-fiction-that-president-biden-supports-defunding-police/
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not defunding the police then. In fact that's giving the police more money (funding more police officers), while also funding other things. Why do they shoot themselves in the foot like this. Why give such an obviously confrontational and ridiculous name to that idea?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The 'defunding the police' movement was not about completely stripping resources from police departments. But to reallocate funds to other areas *as well as" increasing the effectiveness of the police (training etc).
Terminology aside, it (on the face of it) looks like a positive measure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Defunding the police is not a phrase that explains itself just by reading it.
You have to apply some level of critical thought and use mental calories to understand it and this is precisely why we see confusion on this issue from some of our right leaning brothers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with ttliv insofar as the use of the term ‘defund’ doesn’t do justice in representing what are excellent, evidence-based arguments with the potential to do great social good.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its a matter of perception. Give them an inch they take a yard.
You must force them to use their brains. Allow this laziness of thought and next thing you know they tell you taking the knee means support for marxism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is it easier to make (and ultimately win) the argument if you *introduce it* with talk of defunding the police and reallocating their budget, or by talking about helping the police through the delivery of (ultimately cheaper) community and mental health support services so they can focus on investigating crimes?
Bear in mind that it’s the general public - of all political colours - who are going to need to be won over here.
posted on 15/7/21
comment by Just Shoot - Southgate FFS (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
Flint Town, if you are interested. 👍
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Flint has bigger problems. Water if you're interested.
posted on 15/7/21
comment by Just Shoot - Southgate FFS (U10408)
posted 5 minutes ago
Flint Town, if you are interested. 👍
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is how you make the argument.
The police are being asked/being instructed/expected to do *far* more than they should be doing.
Curb their roles and responsibilities. Help them, give them a chance to, do their real jobs - investigating crimes and arresting perpetrators - better.
posted on 15/7/21
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot - Southgate FFS (U10408)
posted 5 minutes ago
Flint Town, if you are interested. 👍
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This is how you make the argument.
The police are being asked/being instructed/expected to do *far* more than they should be doing.
Curb their roles and responsibilities. Help them, give them a chance to, do their real jobs - investigating crimes and arresting perpetrators - better.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, yep, yep. But don't cut their funding.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well that depends on how much you’re going to reduce their roles by.
If the reallocation of duties results in them requiring 25% less staff, then you might be able to shift a proportion of that saving to fund the other services you’ll need to fill the gap.
posted on 15/7/21
comment by Just Shoot - Southgate FFS (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot - Southgate FFS (U10408)
posted 5 minutes ago
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posted 8 minutes ago
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posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Hitokiri Battousai, Rurouni Himura Kenshin (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausage Monster (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot - Southgate FFS (U10408)
posted 7 minutes ago
Defined the police! Defund the police!
(Signs huge dollar bill for more police protection)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The bill, as I understand it, sets out proposals to invest in ..."more police officers, more nurses, more counsellors, more social workers or community violence interrupters to help resolve issues before they escalate into crimes"
Which is precisely what the 'defund the police' movement had been pushing for. To reallocate resources to include community support, more funding for social & youth services etc.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/29/continuing-gop-fiction-that-president-biden-supports-defunding-police/
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That's not defunding the police then. In fact that's giving the police more money (funding more police officers), while also funding other things. Why do they shoot themselves in the foot like this. Why give such an obviously confrontational and ridiculous name to that idea?
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Who? BLM or the government?
Funny that I found this in your own twitter link
https://mobile.twitter.com/saedaaya/status/1412075196887019527
Defunding the police doesn't not necessarily mean less police or less money for police. Educate yourself.
Regular people don't know how much money govt has. The usual excuse for sending cops to social situations was always they there was no money to hire social workers and medical experts to send to those situations.
So people suggested taking some funds meant for police and getting people more suited to some of the jobs police have been doing. If they have enough money to support police and still bring in social workers and paramedics then thats great. Doesn't mean you hate police. Just saying sending police to some situations is not working and is asking for trouble. How many mentally ill people must police unnecessarily kill before this sinks in?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Shifting sands.
Defund the police was originally about taking money away from the police to invest in other areas - that's kind what defund means. 🤦♂️
Whilst allocating money for other areas is definitely a worth while exercise, reducing the police budgets isn't. More, not less police is what's needed.
Even though with other areas getting funding police work should be reduced, they are still (from what I've read) way understaffed, undertrained and over worked.
Defunding the police in any way is ridiculous, adding money and bringing in new services would be great too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you have the money then fair enough but if administrators say there is no money then available resources must be shared equitably. Paramedics and social and mental health workers also save lives.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you need to feed someone you don't take food from the hungry.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For me, that's exactly the point of "defunding the police". Stop taking money away from the poor to pay for more police to crack down on the poor. Spend that money on something that stops the poor needing to commit crimes to eat*, or you're just perpetuating the problem. Then you can set the police on to those "real crimes" that people bang on about when they get caught speeding.
*Obviously not all crime is done through necessity, but some of it really is. And in those cases police action invariably makes everything worse, and probably costs more.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And that would be fine if the police were in a stronger position than they currently are. The stats in crime are awful in some places in the states - over 100 shootings in a weekend in some places.
I'm all for helping the less fortunate, but the police need more at the moment, not less. And that is why the Capitol Hill billion dollar bill stinks. Protecting those that aren't in the thick of it, while others are suffering.
There is a great docu-series on cops in Michigan on Netflix. The corners they have to cut to just about manage is ridiculous. And then the public give them abuse because they don't respond quick enough.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Poor planning and logistics with cops having to bring grannys cat down from the tree, taking all their time and resources.
posted on 15/7/21
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Hitokiri Battousai, Rurouni Himura Kenshin (U1282)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Hitokiri Battousai, Rurouni Himura Kenshin (U1282)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausage Monster (U3126)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausage Monster (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot - Southgate FFS (U10408)
posted 7 minutes ago
Defined the police! Defund the police!
(Signs huge dollar bill for more police protection)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The bill, as I understand it, sets out proposals to invest in ..."more police officers, more nurses, more counsellors, more social workers or community violence interrupters to help resolve issues before they escalate into crimes"
Which is precisely what the 'defund the police' movement had been pushing for. To reallocate resources to include community support, more funding for social & youth services etc.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/29/continuing-gop-fiction-that-president-biden-supports-defunding-police/
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not defunding the police then. In fact that's giving the police more money (funding more police officers), while also funding other things. Why do they shoot themselves in the foot like this. Why give such an obviously confrontational and ridiculous name to that idea?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The 'defunding the police' movement was not about completely stripping resources from police departments. But to reallocate funds to other areas *as well as" increasing the effectiveness of the police (training etc).
Terminology aside, it (on the face of it) looks like a positive measure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Defunding the police is not a phrase that explains itself just by reading it.
You have to apply some level of critical thought and use mental calories to understand it and this is precisely why we see confusion on this issue from some of our right leaning brothers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with ttliv insofar as the use of the term ‘defund’ doesn’t do justice in representing what are excellent, evidence-based arguments with the potential to do great social good.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its a matter of perception. Give them an inch they take a yard.
You must force them to use their brains. Allow this laziness of thought and next thing you know they tell you taking the knee means support for marxism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is it easier to make (and ultimately win) the argument if you *introduce it* with talk of defunding the police and reallocating their budget, or by talking about helping the police through the delivery of (ultimately cheaper) community and mental health support services so they can focus on investigating crimes?
Bear in mind that it’s the general public - of all political colours - who are going to need to be won over here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I saw a piece on PBS about a month ago. A police chief was saying that his colleagues were always complaining about all the different tasks they had and how it WOULD be better to reallocate funds for mental health and social workers. A police chief. I'll take his word on it.
posted on 15/7/21
leaving no time to conduct proper investigations so that more perps get away and innocents go to jail.
posted on 15/7/21
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posted 57 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot - Southgate FFS (U10408)
posted 5 minutes ago
Flint Town, if you are interested. 👍
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is how you make the argument.
The police are being asked/being instructed/expected to do *far* more than they should be doing.
Curb their roles and responsibilities. Help them, give them a chance to, do their real jobs - investigating crimes and arresting perpetrators - better.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, yep, yep. But don't cut their funding.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well that depends on how much you’re going to reduce their roles by.
If the reallocation of duties results in them requiring 25% less staff, then you might be able to shift a proportion of that saving to fund the other services you’ll need to fill the gap.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From what I've read and watched, people don't call the police so much anymore as they won't come, are too late etc. unless its a serious crime. That with spikes in shootings and violence it seems a dangerous game to play for the number crunchers.
Bring the crime down and gain stability, then possibly reduce the funds if needed. 👍
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're really struggling to grasp this mate.
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So sad.
Lifestyle undoubtedly led to his death. Met him a few times and was an absolute gentleman. RiP Andy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/57856227
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posted 10 hours, 3 minutes ago
So sad.
Lifestyle undoubtedly led to his death. Met him a few times and was an absolute gentleman. RiP Andy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/57856227
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👍 from what I recall he lost an absolute load of weight too in his later years to improve his prospects.
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