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posted on 21/9/21

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37751599.amp

An article about Thatcher laying the grounds for 2008 despite being warned by her advisors
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Mate it’s too far apart. There was twenty years of government since Thatcher finished when this is all came crashing down.
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You still blame labour for everything, despite 12 years of Tories

posted on 21/9/21

Millions of households could face a second record energy bill hike next spring, on top of the £139 increase due next month, as the global gas crisis continues to drive market prices to new highs.

An even larger energy bill rise is expected from next April following the steady increase in gas and electricity market prices, which could add between £178 to £294 to the typical price of a default dual-fuel energy deal.

Craig Lowrey, a senior consultant at energy advisory Cornwall Insight, said the most recent record energy market prices would feed through to the government’s energy price cap for next summer to drive bills up by a further 14% to £1,455 a year for a typical dual-fuel customer.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/sep/21/uk-households-face-second-record-energy-bill-rise

What a fabulous country we live in. Wages stagnating but everything going up in price.

posted on 21/9/21

Comparison of prices for energy between us and the rest of Europe, Brexit is just wonderful eh?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_tSazyWQAMp3eV?format=jpg&name=large

posted on 21/9/21

comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 44 minutes ago
Kriss Donald, was the name of the innocent white 15 yr old in Lilybank Glasgow, abducted, tortured and burned to death by 5 racist Pakistani men in 2004, out to get any white kid they came across.

I never even knew or heard his name before.
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It was well reported at the time as has the lunatic behaviour of Baldy behind bars.
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The BBC has been criticised by some viewers because the case featured on national news only three times and the first trial was later largely confined to regional Scottish bulletins including the verdict itself. Although admitting that the BBC had "got it wrong", the organisation's Head of Newsgathering, Fran Unsworth, largely rejected the suggestion that Donald's race played a part in the lack of reportage, instead claiming it was mostly a product of "Scottish blindness". In preference to reporting the verdict the organisation found the time to report the opening of a new arts centre in Gateshead in its running order. The BBC again faced criticisms for its failure to cover the second trial in its main bulletins, waiting until day 18 to mention the issue and Peter Horrocks of the BBC apologised for the organisation's further failings.

Peter Fahy, spokesman of race issues for the Association of Chief Police Officers, noted that the media as a whole tended to under-report the racist murders of white people, stating "it was a fact that it was harder to get the media interested where murder victims were young white men".

The British National Party was accused by Scotland's First Minister and Labour Party MSP Jack McConnell among others of seeking to exploit the case for political advantage, and an open letter signed by MSPs, trades unionists, and community leaders, condemned the BNP's plans to stage a visit to Pollokshields. The group did hold a rally in the area, leading to accusations that it was fuelling racial tension.

Taken from wiki.

Take from that what you will. 🤷‍♂️
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Basically, it happened but you/some people didn't feel that it had enough coverage...because he was White? But you heard of it, read about it and the guys have been sentenced, so it must have been covered by the media..no?
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I have no bones in this, as alluded to in my final sentence. Sounds like you have the issue, I just gave what wiki has.
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Maybe I shouldn't have said YOU, as I wasn't sure u had no bones in it. I have no issue there at all, I already described it as disgusting.
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In 2004 I was living in a beach hut in Thailand trying to understand how email works. 😂 I had no idea what was in the news. Ahhhh, blisssssss.

posted on 21/9/21

comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
Millions of households could face a second record energy bill hike next spring, on top of the £139 increase due next month, as the global gas crisis continues to drive market prices to new highs.

An even larger energy bill rise is expected from next April following the steady increase in gas and electricity market prices, which could add between £178 to £294 to the typical price of a default dual-fuel energy deal.

Craig Lowrey, a senior consultant at energy advisory Cornwall Insight, said the most recent record energy market prices would feed through to the government’s energy price cap for next summer to drive bills up by a further 14% to £1,455 a year for a typical dual-fuel customer.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/sep/21/uk-households-face-second-record-energy-bill-rise

What a fabulous country we live in. Wages stagnating but everything going up in price.
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The good thing about this, is that it should drive further adoption of electricification and renewables.

Would be nice to see the gov roll out renewable heat incentive to properties with ballooning gas costs, as well as bringing back other incentives such as for solar panels.

posted on 21/9/21

TBF Insert (like with the poor paralyzed woman and her family) anyone catastrophically affected in the short term isn't exactly going to care about potential long term benefits for the planet as a whole

posted on 21/9/21

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 44 minutes ago
Kriss Donald, was the name of the innocent white 15 yr old in Lilybank Glasgow, abducted, tortured and burned to death by 5 racist Pakistani men in 2004, out to get any white kid they came across.

I never even knew or heard his name before.
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It was well reported at the time as has the lunatic behaviour of Baldy behind bars.
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The BBC has been criticised by some viewers because the case featured on national news only three times and the first trial was later largely confined to regional Scottish bulletins including the verdict itself. Although admitting that the BBC had "got it wrong", the organisation's Head of Newsgathering, Fran Unsworth, largely rejected the suggestion that Donald's race played a part in the lack of reportage, instead claiming it was mostly a product of "Scottish blindness". In preference to reporting the verdict the organisation found the time to report the opening of a new arts centre in Gateshead in its running order. The BBC again faced criticisms for its failure to cover the second trial in its main bulletins, waiting until day 18 to mention the issue and Peter Horrocks of the BBC apologised for the organisation's further failings.

Peter Fahy, spokesman of race issues for the Association of Chief Police Officers, noted that the media as a whole tended to under-report the racist murders of white people, stating "it was a fact that it was harder to get the media interested where murder victims were young white men".

The British National Party was accused by Scotland's First Minister and Labour Party MSP Jack McConnell among others of seeking to exploit the case for political advantage, and an open letter signed by MSPs, trades unionists, and community leaders, condemned the BNP's plans to stage a visit to Pollokshields. The group did hold a rally in the area, leading to accusations that it was fuelling racial tension.

Taken from wiki.

Take from that what you will. 🤷‍♂️
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Basically, it happened but you/some people didn't feel that it had enough coverage...because he was White? But you heard of it, read about it and the guys have been sentenced, so it must have been covered by the media..no?
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I have no bones in this, as alluded to in my final sentence. Sounds like you have the issue, I just gave what wiki has.
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Maybe I shouldn't have said YOU, as I wasn't sure u had no bones in it. I have no issue there at all, I already described it as disgusting.
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In 2004 I was living in a beach hut in Thailand trying to understand how email works. 😂 I had no idea what was in the news. Ahhhh, blisssssss.
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You affectionately refer back then as the ladyboy years

posted on 21/9/21

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
Millions of households could face a second record energy bill hike next spring, on top of the £139 increase due next month, as the global gas crisis continues to drive market prices to new highs.

An even larger energy bill rise is expected from next April following the steady increase in gas and electricity market prices, which could add between £178 to £294 to the typical price of a default dual-fuel energy deal.

Craig Lowrey, a senior consultant at energy advisory Cornwall Insight, said the most recent record energy market prices would feed through to the government’s energy price cap for next summer to drive bills up by a further 14% to £1,455 a year for a typical dual-fuel customer.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/sep/21/uk-households-face-second-record-energy-bill-rise

What a fabulous country we live in. Wages stagnating but everything going up in price.
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The good thing about this, is that it should drive further adoption of electricification and renewables.

Would be nice to see the gov roll out renewable heat incentive to properties with ballooning gas costs, as well as bringing back other incentives such as for solar panels.
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Subsidized jumpers. 👍

posted on 21/9/21

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 44 minutes ago
Kriss Donald, was the name of the innocent white 15 yr old in Lilybank Glasgow, abducted, tortured and burned to death by 5 racist Pakistani men in 2004, out to get any white kid they came across.

I never even knew or heard his name before.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was well reported at the time as has the lunatic behaviour of Baldy behind bars.
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The BBC has been criticised by some viewers because the case featured on national news only three times and the first trial was later largely confined to regional Scottish bulletins including the verdict itself. Although admitting that the BBC had "got it wrong", the organisation's Head of Newsgathering, Fran Unsworth, largely rejected the suggestion that Donald's race played a part in the lack of reportage, instead claiming it was mostly a product of "Scottish blindness". In preference to reporting the verdict the organisation found the time to report the opening of a new arts centre in Gateshead in its running order. The BBC again faced criticisms for its failure to cover the second trial in its main bulletins, waiting until day 18 to mention the issue and Peter Horrocks of the BBC apologised for the organisation's further failings.

Peter Fahy, spokesman of race issues for the Association of Chief Police Officers, noted that the media as a whole tended to under-report the racist murders of white people, stating "it was a fact that it was harder to get the media interested where murder victims were young white men".

The British National Party was accused by Scotland's First Minister and Labour Party MSP Jack McConnell among others of seeking to exploit the case for political advantage, and an open letter signed by MSPs, trades unionists, and community leaders, condemned the BNP's plans to stage a visit to Pollokshields. The group did hold a rally in the area, leading to accusations that it was fuelling racial tension.

Taken from wiki.

Take from that what you will. 🤷‍♂️
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Basically, it happened but you/some people didn't feel that it had enough coverage...because he was White? But you heard of it, read about it and the guys have been sentenced, so it must have been covered by the media..no?
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I have no bones in this, as alluded to in my final sentence. Sounds like you have the issue, I just gave what wiki has.
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Maybe I shouldn't have said YOU, as I wasn't sure u had no bones in it. I have no issue there at all, I already described it as disgusting.
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In 2004 I was living in a beach hut in Thailand trying to understand how email works. 😂 I had no idea what was in the news. Ahhhh, blisssssss.
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You affectionately refer back then as the ladyboy years
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I was known as Brenda. 🤣 And I looked damn fine in a catsuit.

posted on 21/9/21

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 44 minutes ago
Kriss Donald, was the name of the innocent white 15 yr old in Lilybank Glasgow, abducted, tortured and burned to death by 5 racist Pakistani men in 2004, out to get any white kid they came across.

I never even knew or heard his name before.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was well reported at the time as has the lunatic behaviour of Baldy behind bars.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The BBC has been criticised by some viewers because the case featured on national news only three times and the first trial was later largely confined to regional Scottish bulletins including the verdict itself. Although admitting that the BBC had "got it wrong", the organisation's Head of Newsgathering, Fran Unsworth, largely rejected the suggestion that Donald's race played a part in the lack of reportage, instead claiming it was mostly a product of "Scottish blindness". In preference to reporting the verdict the organisation found the time to report the opening of a new arts centre in Gateshead in its running order. The BBC again faced criticisms for its failure to cover the second trial in its main bulletins, waiting until day 18 to mention the issue and Peter Horrocks of the BBC apologised for the organisation's further failings.

Peter Fahy, spokesman of race issues for the Association of Chief Police Officers, noted that the media as a whole tended to under-report the racist murders of white people, stating "it was a fact that it was harder to get the media interested where murder victims were young white men".

The British National Party was accused by Scotland's First Minister and Labour Party MSP Jack McConnell among others of seeking to exploit the case for political advantage, and an open letter signed by MSPs, trades unionists, and community leaders, condemned the BNP's plans to stage a visit to Pollokshields. The group did hold a rally in the area, leading to accusations that it was fuelling racial tension.

Taken from wiki.

Take from that what you will. 🤷‍♂️
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Basically, it happened but you/some people didn't feel that it had enough coverage...because he was White? But you heard of it, read about it and the guys have been sentenced, so it must have been covered by the media..no?
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I have no bones in this, as alluded to in my final sentence. Sounds like you have the issue, I just gave what wiki has.
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Maybe I shouldn't have said YOU, as I wasn't sure u had no bones in it. I have no issue there at all, I already described it as disgusting.
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In 2004 I was living in a beach hut in Thailand trying to understand how email works. 😂 I had no idea what was in the news. Ahhhh, blisssssss.
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You affectionately refer back then as the ladyboy years
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I was known as Brenda. 🤣 And I looked damn fine in a catsuit.
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https://www.suitical.com/products/recovery-suit-cat/

Very fetching

posted on 21/9/21

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 12 minutes ago
Keir Starmer has told shadow cabinet he is putting three rule changes to TULO:
- a return to the electoral college for leadership elections
- need for 1/2 TU and 1/2 members for triggering MPs
- cutting the overall number of motions debated on Labour conference floor

https://twitter.com/rewearmouth/status/1440271926321049607?s=21

What are people’s thoughts on this?
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Makes me angry, he's removing democracy from the party in the same way Blair did, to ensure the party would ever be governed by Blairites.

They in fact rejected a binding unite vote on this subject recently, that demanded labour remain open in its voting processes. This will likely drive unions away
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Some folk want labour to be a protest party, rarher than govt, so put Corbyn in as leader, knowing he was not the guy to lead labour to number ten, being defeated by May ffs, and the clown bojo, with an 80 seat majority.

Like Blair, Centrist Starmer might just get labour elected, but that ain't good enough.

posted on 21/9/21

Can only bring change while in power

posted on 21/9/21

comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 44 minutes ago
Kriss Donald, was the name of the innocent white 15 yr old in Lilybank Glasgow, abducted, tortured and burned to death by 5 racist Pakistani men in 2004, out to get any white kid they came across.

I never even knew or heard his name before.
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It was well reported at the time as has the lunatic behaviour of Baldy behind bars.
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It got massive coverage here in Scotland and has continued to do so. I can’t speak for how much coverage it got in the UK wide news, I don’t remember it having much though.

I also seem to remember Anas Sarwars dad (of Pakistani heritage like the killers but unlike the killers was actually born there. AFAIK the killers were Scottish and England born) being very vocal on it in terms of having them brought to justice.
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I reckon most of us never heard of Kriss Donald and how he, as a 15 yr old white schoolboy, was targetted for his race, by pakistani men, who abducted, tortured and set him on fire, for being white and in the wrong place at the wrong time.

It was a racist murder and was on the news again becaise his killer was out walking about, wearing a T-shirt with a gun on it, while parents of the 15 yr old will never see their boy.

I am sure it was covered in local and national news and thst was not my actual point, but rather how hoorific it was, how racist ot was, how white people suffer racism too and how the culprits are let out of prison after this sick racist murder.

posted on 21/9/21

It does not matter where racist killers were born, Bmcl.

In this case they targetted a boy for being white as they were racist and evil.

When victims of racism are white, it appears we treat this racism differently, even here.



posted on 21/9/21

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
It does not matter where racist killers were born, Bmcl.

In this case they targetted a boy for being white as they were racist and evil.

When victims of racism are white, it appears we treat this racism differently, even here.

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I cannot fathom how you have reached the conclusion that in 2021 “When victims of racism are white, it appears we treat this racism differently, even here”, but you do you.

posted on 21/9/21

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 44 minutes ago
Kriss Donald, was the name of the innocent white 15 yr old in Lilybank Glasgow, abducted, tortured and burned to death by 5 racist Pakistani men in 2004, out to get any white kid they came across.

I never even knew or heard his name before.
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It was well reported at the time as has the lunatic behaviour of Baldy behind bars.
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So the name Kriss Donald and the circumstances of a white schoolboy being murdered for his race, by 5 pakistani heritage men, are known to us all, and the fact his killer got a wee jolly out of jail recently, is common knowledge too???

Perhaps we need reminding.

Hate and racism in Glasgow is quite topical.

posted on 21/9/21

Looking at the pics of the brothers on release, they get fed too well in prison. What happened to porridge? 😂

posted on 21/9/21

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 44 minutes ago
Kriss Donald, was the name of the innocent white 15 yr old in Lilybank Glasgow, abducted, tortured and burned to death by 5 racist Pakistani men in 2004, out to get any white kid they came across.

I never even knew or heard his name before.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was well reported at the time as has the lunatic behaviour of Baldy behind bars.
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So the name Kriss Donald and the circumstances of a white schoolboy being murdered for his race, by 5 pakistani heritage men, are known to us all, and the fact his killer got a wee jolly out of jail recently, is common knowledge too???

Perhaps we need reminding.

Hate and racism in Glasgow is quite topical.
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Maybe have a march for it. 😶

posted on 21/9/21

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 10 minutes ago
It does not matter where racist killers were born, Bmcl.

In this case they targetted a boy for being white as they were racist and evil.

When victims of racism are white, it appears we treat this racism differently, even here.




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This guy really gets off in chatting absolute bolllocks

posted on 21/9/21

Sky News: Energy supplier Green, which serves around 250,000 customers, is facing administration and is in talks with insolvency advisers

Brexit Britain.

posted on 21/9/21

comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
It does not matter where racist killers were born, Bmcl.

In this case they targetted a boy for being white as they were racist and evil.

When victims of racism are white, it appears we treat this racism differently, even here.

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I cannot fathom how you have reached the conclusion that in 2021 “When victims of racism are white, it appears we treat this racism differently, even here”, but you do you.
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The fact most of us never knew his name or the story or the fact his killer walks about on a jolly from jail, possibly bumping into family of the dead boy.

The reaction from you and hec is, it did get coverage. I never said it did not get reported.

I have said here for years that white people suffer racist attacks and racism, in the uk and USA, and that racism against white people from black and asian, or between black and asian, is a thing....this is an example.

Not nice, but real.

posted on 21/9/21

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 6 minutes ago
Looking at the pics of the brothers on release, they get fed too well in prison. What happened to porridge? 😂
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Ronnie Barker and co passed away.

posted on 21/9/21

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
It does not matter where racist killers were born, Bmcl.

In this case they targetted a boy for being white as they were racist and evil.

When victims of racism are white, it appears we treat this racism differently, even here.

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I cannot fathom how you have reached the conclusion that in 2021 “When victims of racism are white, it appears we treat this racism differently, even here”, but you do you.
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The fact most of us never knew his name or the story or the fact his killer walks about on a jolly from jail, possibly bumping into family of the dead boy.

The reaction from you and hec is, it did get coverage. I never said it did not get reported.

I have said here for years that white people suffer racist attacks and racism, in the uk and USA, and that racism against white people from black and asian, or between black and asian, is a thing....this is an example.

Not nice, but real.
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It appears to be perhaps a flaw in the London centric reporting of “the regions”, per what JS shared above.

I remember bringing up Sheku Bayoh on this thread and no one outside of hec and Ivan had ever heard of him and his case. You certainly hadn’t.

No one here as far as I am aware has ever said that racist attacks on people who are white do not happen.

posted on 21/9/21

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 44 minutes ago
Kriss Donald, was the name of the innocent white 15 yr old in Lilybank Glasgow, abducted, tortured and burned to death by 5 racist Pakistani men in 2004, out to get any white kid they came across.

I never even knew or heard his name before.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was well reported at the time as has the lunatic behaviour of Baldy behind bars.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So the name Kriss Donald and the circumstances of a white schoolboy being murdered for his race, by 5 pakistani heritage men, are known to us all, and the fact his killer got a wee jolly out of jail recently, is common knowledge too???

Perhaps we need reminding.

Hate and racism in Glasgow is quite topical.
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Maybe have a march for it. 😶
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That would be an ecumenical matter.

Listened to a black female presenter speak about the release today, and she wondered if this was a white racist gang, or the Stephen Lawrence racist killers, would the guys be let out of jail?

She also went into the detail i gave about the case, as i did not know the the background or how evil the case was.

15 yr old white boy picked off street at random, driven about in a car for 200 miles as they tried to find a place to torture and kill him, knifing him 13 times, setting him on fire, watching him die.

For being white.

Then, they get to walk about on prison release???

posted on 21/9/21

Looks like this day release (which isn't a specific benefit for them only) was in lieu of their father's funeral which they couldnt attend for safety reasons

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