comment by Terry Silver (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
Rishi Sunak to announce £9bn package of loans & council tax rebates:
* £5.5bn in loans to fund £200 energy rebates for all, clawed back in higher bills over 5 years
* £3.5bn in council tax rebates for bands A-D, av £150. Will go to 4 in 5 households
Will this even touch the sides
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It's good that we are going to have higher bills for 5 years.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Terry Silver (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
Rishi Sunak to announce £9bn package of loans & council tax rebates:
* £5.5bn in loans to fund £200 energy rebates for all, clawed back in higher bills over 5 years
* £3.5bn in council tax rebates for bands A-D, av £150. Will go to 4 in 5 households
Will this even touch the sides
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's good that we are going to have higher bills for 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would you rather extremely high bills in the short term for the nation?
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Terry Silver (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
Rishi Sunak to announce £9bn package of loans & council tax rebates:
* £5.5bn in loans to fund £200 energy rebates for all, clawed back in higher bills over 5 years
* £3.5bn in council tax rebates for bands A-D, av £150. Will go to 4 in 5 households
Will this even touch the sides
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's good that we are going to have higher bills for 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would you rather extremely high bills in the short term for the nation?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd rather them for me personally. Yes.
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think maybe people that aren’t as well off as you would prefer spreading the increase over 5 years rather than in one or two years?
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think maybe people that aren’t as well off as you would prefer spreading the increase over 5 years rather than in one or two years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m surprised you feel that way tbh. This is to help people in terms of affordability.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think maybe people that aren’t as well off as you would prefer spreading the increase over 5 years rather than in one or two years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They still have to deal with the increase though. They are only spreading a partial increase.
I'd prefer it if the government had a different plan altogether which actually alleviated the strain on people.
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Aren't dogs great. (U3126)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Aren't dogs great. (U3126)
posted 13 minutes ago
First Minister here to resign later today (over NIP):
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60241608
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Stuart is the protocol still causing problems or are the kinks starting to be ironed out
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In practice the mechanisms are there for it to work but due to political reasons it's being sabbotaged.
There was a review last October and the UK was found not to have implemented a range of agreed checks (plus giving EU access to customs etc). Some have been put on hold as negs continue but I think there was something like 20/30 areas where the UK had failed to meet agreed committments.
Edwin Poots (agricultural minister) last night order port staff here to completely halt all checks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-60237565
Which was a political choice as he was not selected as DUP South Down candidate. The removal of checks was more to do with self promotion than anything else.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-60176775
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's madness
Has to be causing major frustration in the business community
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In regard to Poots' instructions to port authorities understand DAERA/DEFRA (Department of Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs) has rejected them, and checks are continuing as normal.
Not a single business group/trade body here has supported the aforementioned move by Poots. And the likes of the NI retail consortium, Manufacturing NI all advised port authorities to reject Poots instructions; which appears they have.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think maybe people that aren’t as well off as you would prefer spreading the increase over 5 years rather than in one or two years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They still have to deal with the increase though. They are only spreading a partial increase.
I'd prefer it if the government had a different plan altogether which actually alleviated the strain on people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wait. So the government pays it and we raise taxes to ensure we recover the costs?
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think maybe people that aren’t as well off as you would prefer spreading the increase over 5 years rather than in one or two years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They still have to deal with the increase though. They are only spreading a partial increase.
I'd prefer it if the government had a different plan altogether which actually alleviated the strain on people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Aaaah so you just want the government to foot the bill ie. The taxpayer? Isn’t that just also pushing the problem down the road?
I think this is a very reasonable proposition.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think maybe people that aren’t as well off as you would prefer spreading the increase over 5 years rather than in one or two years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They still have to deal with the increase though. They are only spreading a partial increase.
I'd prefer it if the government had a different plan altogether which actually alleviated the strain on people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wait. So the government pays it and we raise taxes to ensure we recover the costs?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wait. So the government pays part of it and we all pay it back over 5 years to cover the costs?
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think maybe people that aren’t as well off as you would prefer spreading the increase over 5 years rather than in one or two years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They still have to deal with the increase though. They are only spreading a partial increase.
I'd prefer it if the government had a different plan altogether which actually alleviated the strain on people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Aaaah so you just want the government to foot the bill ie. The taxpayer? Isn’t that just also pushing the problem down the road?
I think this is a very reasonable proposition.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I haven't said that's what I want to do, but ok sure. You and Gingernuts keep making things up. So far I've been told I don't want to help people and now what it is I think should happen.
I'll leave you to it.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think maybe people that aren’t as well off as you would prefer spreading the increase over 5 years rather than in one or two years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They still have to deal with the increase though. They are only spreading a partial increase.
I'd prefer it if the government had a different plan altogether which actually alleviated the strain on people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Aaaah so you just want the government to foot the bill ie. The taxpayer? Isn’t that just also pushing the problem down the road?
I think this is a very reasonable proposition.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I haven't said that's what I want to do, but ok sure. You and Gingernuts keep making things up. So far I've been told I don't want to help people and now what it is I think should happen.
I'll leave you to it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You don’t have to get p1shy about it. You’ve said you’d want something else entirely - what would you want to see happen? If it’s not government paying it then what’s the plan?
Maybe Tams plan is going to be the same alternative as you guys give for lockdowns: None
Sunak measures to help combat huge energy prices
-£200 rebate on bills for everyone in October, paid back over 5 years
-£150 off council tax bills for people who live in Band A-D households in April
- total cost is around £9 billion
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 12 minutes ago
Maybe Tams plan is going to be the same alternative as you guys give for lockdowns: None
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Except that isn’t what ‘us guys’ have given for lockdowns at all but anyway.
He does want a plan, just a different plan. I doubt he has a plan in mind that differs from what Ginge & I logically anticipated but happy for him to correct that.
comment by Terry Silver (U11781)
posted 14 seconds ago
Sunak measures to help combat huge energy prices
-£200 rebate on bills for everyone in October, paid back over 5 years
-£150 off council tax bills for people who live in Band A-D households in April
- total cost is around £9 billion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good, that’s fair and reasonable and helping the poorer sections of society
comment by Terry Silver (U11781)
posted 13 seconds ago
Sunak measures to help combat huge energy prices
-£200 rebate on bills for everyone in October, paid back over 5 years
-£150 off council tax bills for people who live in Band A-D households in April
- total cost is around £9 billion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
About the same they lost in PPE.
comment by Terry Silver (U11781)
posted 6 minutes ago
Sunak measures to help combat huge energy prices
-£200 rebate on bills for everyone in October, paid back over 5 years
-£150 off council tax bills for people who live in Band A-D households in April
- total cost is around £9 billion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Far more interesting will be what's planned going forward, this isn't going to get better..
Has he announced anything?
How about someone does a graph comparing the tax rise we are about to be hit with in 2 months and how much this £9bn package will actually benefit us.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 12 minutes ago
Maybe Tams plan is going to be the same alternative as you guys give for lockdowns: None
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Except that isn’t what ‘us guys’ have given for lockdowns at all but anyway.
He does want a plan, just a different plan. I doubt he has a plan in mind that differs from what Ginge & I logically anticipated but happy for him to correct that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe I was thinking wider than just focused payments to everyone on energy bills, which aren't actually going to provide much assistance to the poorest as it doesn't even cover anywhere near the increase they will see. Which will then see them with increased bill for 5 years when they are unlikely to drop anyway.
But you and Ginge have made your 'logical' anticipations on what I think, so there is little point in going any further.
The Bank of England has raised its base interest rate from 0.25% to 0.5% as it confronts surging inflation
Bank of England says UK households must brace themselves for the biggest annual fall in their standard of living since comparable records began three decades ago, as it:
- Raises interest rates to 0.5%
- Says inflation will surpass 7%
- Slashes GDP forecast
Depressing times to be a Brit
Jim Pickard @PickardJE
do the maths:
- NI rise & freezing income tax thresholds will cost typical household £600
- energy bills about to go up by £693
relief from Sunak:
- £200 (loan) for everyone
- extra £150 tax rebate for poorer households
ie most people still about £1,000 a year worse off
Still think it’s fair and reasonable Sat Nav?
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Aren't dogs great. (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Aren't dogs great. (U3126)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Aren't dogs great. (U3126)
posted 13 minutes ago
First Minister here to resign later today (over NIP):
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60241608
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Stuart is the protocol still causing problems or are the kinks starting to be ironed out
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In practice the mechanisms are there for it to work but due to political reasons it's being sabbotaged.
There was a review last October and the UK was found not to have implemented a range of agreed checks (plus giving EU access to customs etc). Some have been put on hold as negs continue but I think there was something like 20/30 areas where the UK had failed to meet agreed committments.
Edwin Poots (agricultural minister) last night order port staff here to completely halt all checks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-60237565
Which was a political choice as he was not selected as DUP South Down candidate. The removal of checks was more to do with self promotion than anything else.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-60176775
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's madness
Has to be causing major frustration in the business community
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In regard to Poots' instructions to port authorities understand DAERA/DEFRA (Department of Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs) has rejected them, and checks are continuing as normal.
Not a single business group/trade body here has supported the aforementioned move by Poots. And the likes of the NI retail consortium, Manufacturing NI all advised port authorities to reject Poots instructions; which appears they have.
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posted on 3/2/22
comment by Terry Silver (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
Rishi Sunak to announce £9bn package of loans & council tax rebates:
* £5.5bn in loans to fund £200 energy rebates for all, clawed back in higher bills over 5 years
* £3.5bn in council tax rebates for bands A-D, av £150. Will go to 4 in 5 households
Will this even touch the sides
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's good that we are going to have higher bills for 5 years.
posted on 3/2/22
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Terry Silver (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
Rishi Sunak to announce £9bn package of loans & council tax rebates:
* £5.5bn in loans to fund £200 energy rebates for all, clawed back in higher bills over 5 years
* £3.5bn in council tax rebates for bands A-D, av £150. Will go to 4 in 5 households
Will this even touch the sides
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's good that we are going to have higher bills for 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would you rather extremely high bills in the short term for the nation?
posted on 3/2/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Terry Silver (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
Rishi Sunak to announce £9bn package of loans & council tax rebates:
* £5.5bn in loans to fund £200 energy rebates for all, clawed back in higher bills over 5 years
* £3.5bn in council tax rebates for bands A-D, av £150. Will go to 4 in 5 households
Will this even touch the sides
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's good that we are going to have higher bills for 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would you rather extremely high bills in the short term for the nation?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd rather them for me personally. Yes.
posted on 3/2/22
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
posted on 3/2/22
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think maybe people that aren’t as well off as you would prefer spreading the increase over 5 years rather than in one or two years?
posted on 3/2/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think maybe people that aren’t as well off as you would prefer spreading the increase over 5 years rather than in one or two years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m surprised you feel that way tbh. This is to help people in terms of affordability.
posted on 3/2/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think maybe people that aren’t as well off as you would prefer spreading the increase over 5 years rather than in one or two years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They still have to deal with the increase though. They are only spreading a partial increase.
I'd prefer it if the government had a different plan altogether which actually alleviated the strain on people.
posted on 3/2/22
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Aren't dogs great. (U3126)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Aren't dogs great. (U3126)
posted 13 minutes ago
First Minister here to resign later today (over NIP):
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60241608
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Stuart is the protocol still causing problems or are the kinks starting to be ironed out
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In practice the mechanisms are there for it to work but due to political reasons it's being sabbotaged.
There was a review last October and the UK was found not to have implemented a range of agreed checks (plus giving EU access to customs etc). Some have been put on hold as negs continue but I think there was something like 20/30 areas where the UK had failed to meet agreed committments.
Edwin Poots (agricultural minister) last night order port staff here to completely halt all checks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-60237565
Which was a political choice as he was not selected as DUP South Down candidate. The removal of checks was more to do with self promotion than anything else.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-60176775
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's madness
Has to be causing major frustration in the business community
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In regard to Poots' instructions to port authorities understand DAERA/DEFRA (Department of Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs) has rejected them, and checks are continuing as normal.
Not a single business group/trade body here has supported the aforementioned move by Poots. And the likes of the NI retail consortium, Manufacturing NI all advised port authorities to reject Poots instructions; which appears they have.
posted on 3/2/22
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think maybe people that aren’t as well off as you would prefer spreading the increase over 5 years rather than in one or two years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They still have to deal with the increase though. They are only spreading a partial increase.
I'd prefer it if the government had a different plan altogether which actually alleviated the strain on people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wait. So the government pays it and we raise taxes to ensure we recover the costs?
posted on 3/2/22
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think maybe people that aren’t as well off as you would prefer spreading the increase over 5 years rather than in one or two years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They still have to deal with the increase though. They are only spreading a partial increase.
I'd prefer it if the government had a different plan altogether which actually alleviated the strain on people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Aaaah so you just want the government to foot the bill ie. The taxpayer? Isn’t that just also pushing the problem down the road?
I think this is a very reasonable proposition.
posted on 3/2/22
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think maybe people that aren’t as well off as you would prefer spreading the increase over 5 years rather than in one or two years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They still have to deal with the increase though. They are only spreading a partial increase.
I'd prefer it if the government had a different plan altogether which actually alleviated the strain on people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wait. So the government pays it and we raise taxes to ensure we recover the costs?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wait. So the government pays part of it and we all pay it back over 5 years to cover the costs?
posted on 3/2/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think maybe people that aren’t as well off as you would prefer spreading the increase over 5 years rather than in one or two years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They still have to deal with the increase though. They are only spreading a partial increase.
I'd prefer it if the government had a different plan altogether which actually alleviated the strain on people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Aaaah so you just want the government to foot the bill ie. The taxpayer? Isn’t that just also pushing the problem down the road?
I think this is a very reasonable proposition.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I haven't said that's what I want to do, but ok sure. You and Gingernuts keep making things up. So far I've been told I don't want to help people and now what it is I think should happen.
I'll leave you to it.
posted on 3/2/22
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
It's just pushing the problem down the road without solving it to be honest. So basically, the average person is getting an £800 increase. People get £200 so they still have to accept a £600 increase themselves. Then they have higher bills for an extra 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think maybe people that aren’t as well off as you would prefer spreading the increase over 5 years rather than in one or two years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They still have to deal with the increase though. They are only spreading a partial increase.
I'd prefer it if the government had a different plan altogether which actually alleviated the strain on people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Aaaah so you just want the government to foot the bill ie. The taxpayer? Isn’t that just also pushing the problem down the road?
I think this is a very reasonable proposition.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I haven't said that's what I want to do, but ok sure. You and Gingernuts keep making things up. So far I've been told I don't want to help people and now what it is I think should happen.
I'll leave you to it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You don’t have to get p1shy about it. You’ve said you’d want something else entirely - what would you want to see happen? If it’s not government paying it then what’s the plan?
posted on 3/2/22
Maybe Tams plan is going to be the same alternative as you guys give for lockdowns: None
posted on 3/2/22
Sunak measures to help combat huge energy prices
-£200 rebate on bills for everyone in October, paid back over 5 years
-£150 off council tax bills for people who live in Band A-D households in April
- total cost is around £9 billion
posted on 3/2/22
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 12 minutes ago
Maybe Tams plan is going to be the same alternative as you guys give for lockdowns: None
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Except that isn’t what ‘us guys’ have given for lockdowns at all but anyway.
He does want a plan, just a different plan. I doubt he has a plan in mind that differs from what Ginge & I logically anticipated but happy for him to correct that.
posted on 3/2/22
comment by Terry Silver (U11781)
posted 14 seconds ago
Sunak measures to help combat huge energy prices
-£200 rebate on bills for everyone in October, paid back over 5 years
-£150 off council tax bills for people who live in Band A-D households in April
- total cost is around £9 billion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good, that’s fair and reasonable and helping the poorer sections of society
posted on 3/2/22
comment by Terry Silver (U11781)
posted 13 seconds ago
Sunak measures to help combat huge energy prices
-£200 rebate on bills for everyone in October, paid back over 5 years
-£150 off council tax bills for people who live in Band A-D households in April
- total cost is around £9 billion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
About the same they lost in PPE.
posted on 3/2/22
comment by Terry Silver (U11781)
posted 6 minutes ago
Sunak measures to help combat huge energy prices
-£200 rebate on bills for everyone in October, paid back over 5 years
-£150 off council tax bills for people who live in Band A-D households in April
- total cost is around £9 billion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Far more interesting will be what's planned going forward, this isn't going to get better..
Has he announced anything?
posted on 3/2/22
How about someone does a graph comparing the tax rise we are about to be hit with in 2 months and how much this £9bn package will actually benefit us.
posted on 3/2/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 12 minutes ago
Maybe Tams plan is going to be the same alternative as you guys give for lockdowns: None
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Except that isn’t what ‘us guys’ have given for lockdowns at all but anyway.
He does want a plan, just a different plan. I doubt he has a plan in mind that differs from what Ginge & I logically anticipated but happy for him to correct that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe I was thinking wider than just focused payments to everyone on energy bills, which aren't actually going to provide much assistance to the poorest as it doesn't even cover anywhere near the increase they will see. Which will then see them with increased bill for 5 years when they are unlikely to drop anyway.
But you and Ginge have made your 'logical' anticipations on what I think, so there is little point in going any further.
posted on 3/2/22
The Bank of England has raised its base interest rate from 0.25% to 0.5% as it confronts surging inflation
posted on 3/2/22
Bank of England says UK households must brace themselves for the biggest annual fall in their standard of living since comparable records began three decades ago, as it:
- Raises interest rates to 0.5%
- Says inflation will surpass 7%
- Slashes GDP forecast
Depressing times to be a Brit
posted on 3/2/22
Jim Pickard @PickardJE
do the maths:
- NI rise & freezing income tax thresholds will cost typical household £600
- energy bills about to go up by £693
relief from Sunak:
- £200 (loan) for everyone
- extra £150 tax rebate for poorer households
ie most people still about £1,000 a year worse off
Still think it’s fair and reasonable Sat Nav?
posted on 3/2/22
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First Minister here to resign later today (over NIP):
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60241608
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Stuart is the protocol still causing problems or are the kinks starting to be ironed out
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In practice the mechanisms are there for it to work but due to political reasons it's being sabbotaged.
There was a review last October and the UK was found not to have implemented a range of agreed checks (plus giving EU access to customs etc). Some have been put on hold as negs continue but I think there was something like 20/30 areas where the UK had failed to meet agreed committments.
Edwin Poots (agricultural minister) last night order port staff here to completely halt all checks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-60237565
Which was a political choice as he was not selected as DUP South Down candidate. The removal of checks was more to do with self promotion than anything else.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-60176775
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That's madness
Has to be causing major frustration in the business community
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In regard to Poots' instructions to port authorities understand DAERA/DEFRA (Department of Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs) has rejected them, and checks are continuing as normal.
Not a single business group/trade body here has supported the aforementioned move by Poots. And the likes of the NI retail consortium, Manufacturing NI all advised port authorities to reject Poots instructions; which appears they have.
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