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comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 47 seconds ago
Yes, there are even multiple MPs who changed their tune without acknowledging they changed their mind.
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There are and always will be liars, but that isn't really everyone. Some people had the "right" opinion at the time but were roundly ignored - around a million of them marched through London to make their point. We really need to have more people in charge who listen.
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comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 2 minutes ago
Oh, for sure this government are making the most of this pandemic - they have been since day one. I wouldn't write everything that is happening off on that basis though.
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I am prone to catastrophising but my whole sense of perspective was based on their claims that once the most vulnerable were vaccinated they would 'cry freedom' as Matt Hancock claimed. Instead we are likely to have reduced living for at least a year and a permanent shift towards a security state. The conclusion of a terrible chapter of our history that began after 9/11. The erosion of freedom.
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Perhaps ironically, that would probably be exactly what those that flew the planes wanted.
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For what it's worth though, and maybe I'm being naive but, I don't see the fairly reasonable insistence that I wear a mask a particular erosion of my civil liberties.
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I don't disagree about the erosion of civil liberties, I just don't feel the entirely reasonable requirement to wear a mask is an example of it. How they choose to implement any sort of "vaccine passport" is another matter. The fact that we are apparently to be required to pay for three tests (at £150 a pop) for any international travel is a far clearer example to me.
I've said it before that this is the absolute worst collection of politicians to have in power during such an "emergency", but this was generally written off as a moan from a lefty. Which is sadly where political discourse is right now.
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No offence intended and not directed at you personally, but attributing things to "the left" and "the right" is really past it's sell by date for me, society needs to grow up if politics is to pull itself out of the 20 year nosedive we're in.
I really don't think your examples can be attributed solely to those on "the left", rather to just some people. This unnecessary and unrealistic infighting amongst the general public allows what is now very much a political "class" to do what the hell they like - ultimately, frankly, we all get shafted by them in the end.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 3 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 3 hours, 25 minutes ago
And I’ve heard leavers say they voted out because they don’t see why we won two wars only to have French and German people telling us what to do. And that they don’t care if we are worse off as long as “we’re our own country”.
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If Brexiteers had been magically stopped from lying and they could only speak the truth then Brexit doesn't happen.
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"350 mil on the side of a bus" blah, blah, fackin blah.
We were being told by project fear that 800k jobs would go the following day and the crops would fail if we voted leave but because they lost its forgotten.
You would think after the European vaccines fiasco that leavers would be being thanked for saving lives but I guess some remainers will never get passed it.
I've spoken to remain voters that I know about having a love a leaver day where remainers get the chance to thank leavers for knowing best but its not gone down well.
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Which country are you talking about? Where have you been? Or is your head still in the sand? Jobs have been lost, businesses have closed and/or moved elsewhere. Nobody said it would happen the next day.
And all those immigrants and brown people taking away opportunities from decent upstanding locals have been stopped, no?
And as for vaccines, do you mean the vaccine debacle caused by AZ? AZ has facked the whole world leave alone Europe and it's supposed to be the "british vaccine".(It really isn't btw and if it is then Britain has facked the world)
Brexit working well for Ireland too.
Leavers have and are being proven right with every day that passes. Keep your head in the sand.
comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 11 minutes ago
I think the state compelling what people wear in their face is sinister. Nevertheless I am not getting hung up on masks. I disagree with you on them but that's not my point. It is the cumulative effect of multiple restrictions they seek to impose. Including multiple ones you have cited.
I have to say I have seen nothing but enthused support for restrictions from the Left and clamours for stronger lockdowns and Zero Covid are commonplace.
The only time they got het up was police behaviour at a vigil despite the fact the police have been consistently heavy handed against anti lockdown protests.
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Strange way to look at things. Support or criticism for lockdowns is coming form all sides but don't let that stop you from pushing your agenda.
It's no coincidence for me that most politicians these days are journalists and lawyers, two professions that make their living from making up stories and/or arguing a case they don't believe in for a living.
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 6 minutes ago
I see David Jason is cancelled for racism because he recalled a story about the Queen calling a white American ambassador a gorilla and the Chek(mark)a immediately thought the gorilla was a black person. Something needs to be done about children and young adults on social media.
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Only Fools and horses running the shop now, lol
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 6 minutes ago
I see David Jason is cancelled for racism because he recalled a story about the Queen calling a white American ambassador a gorilla and the Chek(mark)a immediately thought the gorilla was a black person. Something needs to be done about children and young adults on social media.
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Somebody made a mistake hat does t really hurt anyone and because of that you want to cancel children and young adults?
Can't you see to the hypocrisy and double standards?
Footnote: Obviously there are decent journalists and lawyers about, but it's hard to argue that many these days are charlatans.
“Nobody said it would happen the next day.”
Yet here we are whining away about all the ails of Brexit pretty much the next day.
It was never an immediate remedy where everything suddenly became better. It is a change of course from the “norms” of decades that the population as a majority decided they’d had enough of and didn’t any longer agree with the direction they believed it was heading in.
The vaccination fiasco throughout the EU and the behaviour of many of their ministers throughout the whole Brexit debacle serves only to qualify their vote.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
Campaign to rejoin guys, just as SNP refuse to accept the No vote just before brexit referendum.
The EU super state is Valahalla.
Everything was brilliant before 2016.
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A really odd narrative that the SNP refuse to accept the no vote. They did quite the opposite. They continued to govern in Scotland, continued to send MPs to Westminster and engage in the UK political process. They haven’t seceded unilaterally.
Just because a vote didn’t go their way doesn’t mean they should reverse a policy position that is at the root of their party. You and others on this thread have criticised Labour from moving away from its roots and no longer representing working class views, and becoming in some ways Tory lite. Yet the SNP stick to what as above is a core policy position (I.e. support of independence) and they get accused of “not accepting”? Why should a political party change its foundational belief because a point in time assessment noted that it wasn’t supported by the majority of people casting ballots?
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
Footnote: Obviously there are decent journalists and lawyers about, but it's hard to argue that many these days are charlatans.
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On the journalist front the depreciation in quality appears aligned to the growth of newstainment and the focus on the messenger as opposed to the message.
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 3 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 3 hours, 25 minutes ago
And I’ve heard leavers say they voted out because they don’t see why we won two wars only to have French and German people telling us what to do. And that they don’t care if we are worse off as long as “we’re our own country”.
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If Brexiteers had been magically stopped from lying and they could only speak the truth then Brexit doesn't happen.
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"350 mil on the side of a bus" blah, blah, fackin blah.
We were being told by project fear that 800k jobs would go the following day and the crops would fail if we voted leave but because they lost its forgotten.
You would think after the European vaccines fiasco that leavers would be being thanked for saving lives but I guess some remainers will never get passed it.
I've spoken to remain voters that I know about having a love a leaver day where remainers get the chance to thank leavers for knowing best but its not gone down well.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which country are you talking about? Where have you been? Or is your head still in the sand? Jobs have been lost, businesses have closed and/or moved elsewhere. Nobody said it would happen the next day.
And all those immigrants and brown people taking away opportunities from decent upstanding locals have been stopped, no?
And as for vaccines, do you mean the vaccine debacle caused by AZ? AZ has facked the whole world leave alone Europe and it's supposed to be the "british vaccine".(It really isn't btw and if it is then Britain has facked the world)
Brexit working well for Ireland too.
Leavers have and are being proven right with every day that passes. Keep your head in the sand.
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Brexit working well for Ireland?
Elaborate please.
UK has done well on the vaccine and the EU has not,
Trying to say people are racist for euroscepticism or concerns about immigration is not good enough anymore, I'm afraid.
Black and brown Britons voted leave and most recent immigration was white from Europe.
People around the world want to look after their interests at home and the EU does that too.
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comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
Footnote: Obviously there are decent journalists and lawyers about, but it's hard to argue that many these days are charlatans.
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On the journalist front the depreciation in quality appears aligned to the growth of newstainment and the focus on the messenger as opposed to the message.
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Agreed, I think it's all part of the populist approach where you tell people what they want to hear and you can do what you want while they fight with their neighbours about it.
Was it Kerry Anne Mendoza who started that?
I like to think no one takes her seriously
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posted on 10/4/21
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posted on 10/4/21
comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 47 seconds ago
Yes, there are even multiple MPs who changed their tune without acknowledging they changed their mind.
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There are and always will be liars, but that isn't really everyone. Some people had the "right" opinion at the time but were roundly ignored - around a million of them marched through London to make their point. We really need to have more people in charge who listen.
posted on 10/4/21
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posted on 10/4/21
comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 2 minutes ago
Oh, for sure this government are making the most of this pandemic - they have been since day one. I wouldn't write everything that is happening off on that basis though.
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I am prone to catastrophising but my whole sense of perspective was based on their claims that once the most vulnerable were vaccinated they would 'cry freedom' as Matt Hancock claimed. Instead we are likely to have reduced living for at least a year and a permanent shift towards a security state. The conclusion of a terrible chapter of our history that began after 9/11. The erosion of freedom.
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Perhaps ironically, that would probably be exactly what those that flew the planes wanted.
posted on 10/4/21
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posted on 10/4/21
For what it's worth though, and maybe I'm being naive but, I don't see the fairly reasonable insistence that I wear a mask a particular erosion of my civil liberties.
posted on 10/4/21
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posted on 10/4/21
I don't disagree about the erosion of civil liberties, I just don't feel the entirely reasonable requirement to wear a mask is an example of it. How they choose to implement any sort of "vaccine passport" is another matter. The fact that we are apparently to be required to pay for three tests (at £150 a pop) for any international travel is a far clearer example to me.
I've said it before that this is the absolute worst collection of politicians to have in power during such an "emergency", but this was generally written off as a moan from a lefty. Which is sadly where political discourse is right now.
posted on 10/4/21
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posted on 10/4/21
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posted on 10/4/21
No offence intended and not directed at you personally, but attributing things to "the left" and "the right" is really past it's sell by date for me, society needs to grow up if politics is to pull itself out of the 20 year nosedive we're in.
I really don't think your examples can be attributed solely to those on "the left", rather to just some people. This unnecessary and unrealistic infighting amongst the general public allows what is now very much a political "class" to do what the hell they like - ultimately, frankly, we all get shafted by them in the end.
posted on 10/4/21
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 3 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 3 hours, 25 minutes ago
And I’ve heard leavers say they voted out because they don’t see why we won two wars only to have French and German people telling us what to do. And that they don’t care if we are worse off as long as “we’re our own country”.
------
If Brexiteers had been magically stopped from lying and they could only speak the truth then Brexit doesn't happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"350 mil on the side of a bus" blah, blah, fackin blah.
We were being told by project fear that 800k jobs would go the following day and the crops would fail if we voted leave but because they lost its forgotten.
You would think after the European vaccines fiasco that leavers would be being thanked for saving lives but I guess some remainers will never get passed it.
I've spoken to remain voters that I know about having a love a leaver day where remainers get the chance to thank leavers for knowing best but its not gone down well.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which country are you talking about? Where have you been? Or is your head still in the sand? Jobs have been lost, businesses have closed and/or moved elsewhere. Nobody said it would happen the next day.
And all those immigrants and brown people taking away opportunities from decent upstanding locals have been stopped, no?
And as for vaccines, do you mean the vaccine debacle caused by AZ? AZ has facked the whole world leave alone Europe and it's supposed to be the "british vaccine".(It really isn't btw and if it is then Britain has facked the world)
Brexit working well for Ireland too.
Leavers have and are being proven right with every day that passes. Keep your head in the sand.
posted on 10/4/21
comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 11 minutes ago
I think the state compelling what people wear in their face is sinister. Nevertheless I am not getting hung up on masks. I disagree with you on them but that's not my point. It is the cumulative effect of multiple restrictions they seek to impose. Including multiple ones you have cited.
I have to say I have seen nothing but enthused support for restrictions from the Left and clamours for stronger lockdowns and Zero Covid are commonplace.
The only time they got het up was police behaviour at a vigil despite the fact the police have been consistently heavy handed against anti lockdown protests.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Strange way to look at things. Support or criticism for lockdowns is coming form all sides but don't let that stop you from pushing your agenda.
posted on 10/4/21
It's no coincidence for me that most politicians these days are journalists and lawyers, two professions that make their living from making up stories and/or arguing a case they don't believe in for a living.
posted on 10/4/21
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 6 minutes ago
I see David Jason is cancelled for racism because he recalled a story about the Queen calling a white American ambassador a gorilla and the Chek(mark)a immediately thought the gorilla was a black person. Something needs to be done about children and young adults on social media.
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Only Fools and horses running the shop now, lol
posted on 10/4/21
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 6 minutes ago
I see David Jason is cancelled for racism because he recalled a story about the Queen calling a white American ambassador a gorilla and the Chek(mark)a immediately thought the gorilla was a black person. Something needs to be done about children and young adults on social media.
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Somebody made a mistake hat does t really hurt anyone and because of that you want to cancel children and young adults?
Can't you see to the hypocrisy and double standards?
posted on 10/4/21
Footnote: Obviously there are decent journalists and lawyers about, but it's hard to argue that many these days are charlatans.
posted on 10/4/21
“Nobody said it would happen the next day.”
Yet here we are whining away about all the ails of Brexit pretty much the next day.
It was never an immediate remedy where everything suddenly became better. It is a change of course from the “norms” of decades that the population as a majority decided they’d had enough of and didn’t any longer agree with the direction they believed it was heading in.
The vaccination fiasco throughout the EU and the behaviour of many of their ministers throughout the whole Brexit debacle serves only to qualify their vote.
posted on 10/4/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
Campaign to rejoin guys, just as SNP refuse to accept the No vote just before brexit referendum.
The EU super state is Valahalla.
Everything was brilliant before 2016.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A really odd narrative that the SNP refuse to accept the no vote. They did quite the opposite. They continued to govern in Scotland, continued to send MPs to Westminster and engage in the UK political process. They haven’t seceded unilaterally.
Just because a vote didn’t go their way doesn’t mean they should reverse a policy position that is at the root of their party. You and others on this thread have criticised Labour from moving away from its roots and no longer representing working class views, and becoming in some ways Tory lite. Yet the SNP stick to what as above is a core policy position (I.e. support of independence) and they get accused of “not accepting”? Why should a political party change its foundational belief because a point in time assessment noted that it wasn’t supported by the majority of people casting ballots?
posted on 10/4/21
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
Footnote: Obviously there are decent journalists and lawyers about, but it's hard to argue that many these days are charlatans.
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On the journalist front the depreciation in quality appears aligned to the growth of newstainment and the focus on the messenger as opposed to the message.
posted on 10/4/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 3 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 3 hours, 25 minutes ago
And I’ve heard leavers say they voted out because they don’t see why we won two wars only to have French and German people telling us what to do. And that they don’t care if we are worse off as long as “we’re our own country”.
------
If Brexiteers had been magically stopped from lying and they could only speak the truth then Brexit doesn't happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"350 mil on the side of a bus" blah, blah, fackin blah.
We were being told by project fear that 800k jobs would go the following day and the crops would fail if we voted leave but because they lost its forgotten.
You would think after the European vaccines fiasco that leavers would be being thanked for saving lives but I guess some remainers will never get passed it.
I've spoken to remain voters that I know about having a love a leaver day where remainers get the chance to thank leavers for knowing best but its not gone down well.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which country are you talking about? Where have you been? Or is your head still in the sand? Jobs have been lost, businesses have closed and/or moved elsewhere. Nobody said it would happen the next day.
And all those immigrants and brown people taking away opportunities from decent upstanding locals have been stopped, no?
And as for vaccines, do you mean the vaccine debacle caused by AZ? AZ has facked the whole world leave alone Europe and it's supposed to be the "british vaccine".(It really isn't btw and if it is then Britain has facked the world)
Brexit working well for Ireland too.
Leavers have and are being proven right with every day that passes. Keep your head in the sand.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Brexit working well for Ireland?
Elaborate please.
UK has done well on the vaccine and the EU has not,
Trying to say people are racist for euroscepticism or concerns about immigration is not good enough anymore, I'm afraid.
Black and brown Britons voted leave and most recent immigration was white from Europe.
People around the world want to look after their interests at home and the EU does that too.
posted on 10/4/21
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posted on 10/4/21
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posted on 10/4/21
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
Footnote: Obviously there are decent journalists and lawyers about, but it's hard to argue that many these days are charlatans.
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On the journalist front the depreciation in quality appears aligned to the growth of newstainment and the focus on the messenger as opposed to the message.
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Agreed, I think it's all part of the populist approach where you tell people what they want to hear and you can do what you want while they fight with their neighbours about it.
posted on 10/4/21
Was it Kerry Anne Mendoza who started that?
I like to think no one takes her seriously
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