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Leafy Carrickfergus
comment by Oscar. #TeamFury (U12980)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 17 seconds ago
1st doses to over 60% of all adults in UK
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That was about 4 days ago mate
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So you will drop the new story in about a week then?
comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted 4 minutes ago
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Leafy Carrickfergus
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Yes but SF went to a PIRA funeral so it's entirely understandable
I would extend the stop and search to anyone under 30. And mandatory annual driving tests for the same group - and, come to that, anyone who watches Top Gear and/or drives a BMW/Audi.
The thing is that any data scientist worth their salt would easily be able to pick out correlations between race / socioeconomic / gender factors and financial outcome but to actually identify the first cause of why such disparities exist is nigh-on impossible. There are probably tens of thousands of variables that you'd need to account for to develop a robust model and no-one has ever come close to identifying anything concrete. At best you have very well-known correlations, but I think everyone by this point has heard the phrase correlation ≠ causation.
Having a certain skin colour in 21st century UK doesn't mean that your skin colour is the only variable that distinguishes you from other citizens of different skin colours. There are a whole host of other factors that are correlated with your skin colour, including (not exhaustively):
-how many generations of your ancestors have lived in this country
-where you live
-your biology
-what cultural values you hold
-your parenting
-your friendship groups
-your name
-your religion
-the way you dress
-the way you talk
etc. etc.
Anyone who claims to know for definite what the root cause of these disparities are is lying to you. There is always a leap of faith in extrapolating back to a root cause from the data we have available to us.
The idea that you can prove for definite that race or class explains these differences is a nonsense, because you can always take one step back to question why those race or class differences arose in the first place. And you can keep on performing that exercise almost infinitely, until you end up billions of years back wondering why disparities arose between some single-celled organisms and others.
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 1 minute ago
The thing is that any data scientist worth their salt would easily be able to pick out correlations between race / socioeconomic / gender factors and financial outcome but to actually identify the first cause of why such disparities exist is nigh-on impossible. There are probably tens of thousands of variables that you'd need to account for to develop a robust model and no-one has ever come close to identifying anything concrete. At best you have very well-known correlations, but I think everyone by this point has heard the phrase correlation ≠ causation.
Having a certain skin colour in 21st century UK doesn't mean that your skin colour is the only variable that distinguishes you from other citizens of different skin colours. There are a whole host of other factors that are correlated with your skin colour, including (not exhaustively):
-how many generations of your ancestors have lived in this country
-where you live
-your biology
-what cultural values you hold
-your parenting
-your friendship groups
-your name
-your religion
-the way you dress
-the way you talk
etc. etc.
Anyone who claims to know for definite what the root cause of these disparities are is lying to you. There is always a leap of faith in extrapolating back to a root cause from the data we have available to us.
The idea that you can prove for definite that race or class explains these differences is a nonsense, because you can always take one step back to question why those race or class differences arose in the first place. And you can keep on performing that exercise almost infinitely, until you end up billions of years back wondering why disparities arose between some single-celled organisms and others.
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Absolutely mate
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 3 minutes ago
I would extend the stop and search to anyone under 30. And mandatory annual driving tests for the same group - and, come to that, anyone who watches Top Gear and/or drives a BMW/Audi.
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Oh, and anyone with large speakers or tinted windows should get a year's ban.
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 3 minutes ago
I would extend the stop and search to anyone under 30. And mandatory annual driving tests for the same group - and, come to that, anyone who watches Top Gear and/or drives a BMW/Audi.
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Oh, and anyone with large speakers or tinted windows should get a year's ban.
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😂😂
Tinted windows come as standard in the rear these days!
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Anyone that drives a French car is clearly insane and should be sectioned immediately for their own safety and the safety of others.
comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 2 minutes ago
I would demand a cavity search evert time someone who watches Mrs Brown's Boys leaves their house
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We are once again on common ground.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 3 minutes ago
I would extend the stop and search to anyone under 30. And mandatory annual driving tests for the same group - and, come to that, anyone who watches Top Gear and/or drives a BMW/Audi.
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Oh, and anyone with large speakers or tinted windows should get a year's ban.
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😂😂
Tinted windows come as standard in the rear these days!
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Can't helped I'm afraid. Banned.
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 2 minutes ago
I would demand a cavity search evert time someone who watches Mrs Brown's Boys leaves their house
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We are once again on common ground.
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Seriously, who actually watches that? Literally, I mean literally, everyone I speak to hates it.
I am actually glad that Oscar brought up knife crime because it highlights a glaring hypocrisy from the left for me.
In London in 2017 two thirds of knife possession offenders under 25 were non-whites. So when this disparity exists - the left are more than happy to point to socioeconomic causes etc. And quite rightly so as I mentioned to Oscar it is a young male in poor areas/backgrounds that’s the issue not race.
Yet when a different disparity is brought up - like pay, education etc - all of a sudden the main causal factor is racism and the socioeconomics is pushed aside.
Hmmm sounds reasonable to me...
comment by Oscar. #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 1 minute ago
As I said it’s probably the wrong way to go about it and it’s not viable but we’ve got to do something to stop this knife epidemic
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Where does it rank as an epidemic? Knife crime is abhorrent but overall it still does less harm than stuff like racism. We are shocked by knife crime because it is visibly terrible and makes us emotional but there's lots of worse things we could deal with too.
Another common deception is the figures used by media which justify the use of terms like "epidemic".
White people are still responsible for most knife crime in the UK. It's just that black people are disproportionately represented in that statistic. By focussing on black people, you only tackle perhaps 24% of knife crime leaving the ither 76% to continue stabbing each other.
This is one reason an approach based on race is racist, and cannot work. If all black people stopped using knives, you'd only have reduced knife crime by about 24%. But if all white people stopped using knives, you'd reduce knife crime by 76%.
The figures are from 2010. They might have changed since then but I don't think they've changed in a manner that defeats the point I'm making.
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So in short, if you stopped all white people and searched them, then you would stop infinitely more knife crime than of you searched all black people.
So why the focus on black people when focussing on white people would reduce instances of knife crime more significantly?
The empire should be taught warts and all in schools.
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/20/perspective-on-black-knife
Blind recruitment should be the norm.
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 seconds ago
I am actually glad that Oscar brought up knife crime because it highlights a glaring hypocrisy from the left for me.
In London in 2017 two thirds of knife possession offenders under 25 were non-whites. So when this disparity exists - the left are more than happy to point to socioeconomic causes etc. And quite rightly so as I mentioned to Oscar it is a young male in poor areas/backgrounds that’s the issue not race.
Yet when a different disparity is brought up - like pay, education etc - all of a sudden the main causal factor is racism and the socioeconomics is pushed aside.
Hmmm sounds reasonable to me...
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So what... Racism for both or society?
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Socioeconomic factors for both. If a young guy, black or white, is brought up in a tough neighbourhood he is more likely to get into trouble like that, he is more likely to do less well in school, he is therefore less likely to do well career wise and so on and so on.
Pretty sure everyone is taught WWI and that is the most damning indictment of imperialism available
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
I am actually glad that Oscar brought up knife crime because it highlights a glaring hypocrisy from the left for me.
In London in 2017 two thirds of knife possession offenders under 25 were non-whites. So when this disparity exists - the left are more than happy to point to socioeconomic causes etc. And quite rightly so as I mentioned to Oscar it is a young male in poor areas/backgrounds that’s the issue not race.
Yet when a different disparity is brought up - like pay, education etc - all of a sudden the main causal factor is racism and the socioeconomics is pushed aside.
Hmmm sounds reasonable to me...
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Comments like this one astound me. Because there is no realization that it cuts both ways. When you point at others, 3 or 4 fingers are actually pointing at you.
"The right" does the se thing. Putting stuff down to either class or race sending on their convenience of opinion.
The left don't do this more than the right, they're all at it.
How can you not see this?
I was taught Gallipoli by an Australian teacher as well
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted less than a minute ago
Pretty sure everyone is taught WWI and that is the most damning indictment of imperialism available
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Europeans fighting Europeans in Europe.
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posted on 11/4/21
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/uvf-orders-removal-of-catholic-families-from-carrickfergus-housing-estate-in-21st-century-form-of-ethnic-cleansing-40297946.html
Leafy Carrickfergus
posted on 11/4/21
comment by Oscar. #TeamFury (U12980)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 17 seconds ago
1st doses to over 60% of all adults in UK
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That was about 4 days ago mate
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So you will drop the new story in about a week then?
posted on 11/4/21
comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted 4 minutes ago
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/uvf-orders-removal-of-catholic-families-from-carrickfergus-housing-estate-in-21st-century-form-of-ethnic-cleansing-40297946.html
Leafy Carrickfergus
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Yes but SF went to a PIRA funeral so it's entirely understandable
posted on 11/4/21
I would extend the stop and search to anyone under 30. And mandatory annual driving tests for the same group - and, come to that, anyone who watches Top Gear and/or drives a BMW/Audi.
posted on 11/4/21
The thing is that any data scientist worth their salt would easily be able to pick out correlations between race / socioeconomic / gender factors and financial outcome but to actually identify the first cause of why such disparities exist is nigh-on impossible. There are probably tens of thousands of variables that you'd need to account for to develop a robust model and no-one has ever come close to identifying anything concrete. At best you have very well-known correlations, but I think everyone by this point has heard the phrase correlation ≠ causation.
Having a certain skin colour in 21st century UK doesn't mean that your skin colour is the only variable that distinguishes you from other citizens of different skin colours. There are a whole host of other factors that are correlated with your skin colour, including (not exhaustively):
-how many generations of your ancestors have lived in this country
-where you live
-your biology
-what cultural values you hold
-your parenting
-your friendship groups
-your name
-your religion
-the way you dress
-the way you talk
etc. etc.
Anyone who claims to know for definite what the root cause of these disparities are is lying to you. There is always a leap of faith in extrapolating back to a root cause from the data we have available to us.
The idea that you can prove for definite that race or class explains these differences is a nonsense, because you can always take one step back to question why those race or class differences arose in the first place. And you can keep on performing that exercise almost infinitely, until you end up billions of years back wondering why disparities arose between some single-celled organisms and others.
posted on 11/4/21
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 1 minute ago
The thing is that any data scientist worth their salt would easily be able to pick out correlations between race / socioeconomic / gender factors and financial outcome but to actually identify the first cause of why such disparities exist is nigh-on impossible. There are probably tens of thousands of variables that you'd need to account for to develop a robust model and no-one has ever come close to identifying anything concrete. At best you have very well-known correlations, but I think everyone by this point has heard the phrase correlation ≠ causation.
Having a certain skin colour in 21st century UK doesn't mean that your skin colour is the only variable that distinguishes you from other citizens of different skin colours. There are a whole host of other factors that are correlated with your skin colour, including (not exhaustively):
-how many generations of your ancestors have lived in this country
-where you live
-your biology
-what cultural values you hold
-your parenting
-your friendship groups
-your name
-your religion
-the way you dress
-the way you talk
etc. etc.
Anyone who claims to know for definite what the root cause of these disparities are is lying to you. There is always a leap of faith in extrapolating back to a root cause from the data we have available to us.
The idea that you can prove for definite that race or class explains these differences is a nonsense, because you can always take one step back to question why those race or class differences arose in the first place. And you can keep on performing that exercise almost infinitely, until you end up billions of years back wondering why disparities arose between some single-celled organisms and others.
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Absolutely mate
posted on 11/4/21
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 3 minutes ago
I would extend the stop and search to anyone under 30. And mandatory annual driving tests for the same group - and, come to that, anyone who watches Top Gear and/or drives a BMW/Audi.
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Oh, and anyone with large speakers or tinted windows should get a year's ban.
posted on 11/4/21
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 3 minutes ago
I would extend the stop and search to anyone under 30. And mandatory annual driving tests for the same group - and, come to that, anyone who watches Top Gear and/or drives a BMW/Audi.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh, and anyone with large speakers or tinted windows should get a year's ban.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
😂😂
Tinted windows come as standard in the rear these days!
posted on 11/4/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 11/4/21
Anyone that drives a French car is clearly insane and should be sectioned immediately for their own safety and the safety of others.
posted on 11/4/21
comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 2 minutes ago
I would demand a cavity search evert time someone who watches Mrs Brown's Boys leaves their house
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We are once again on common ground.
posted on 11/4/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 3 minutes ago
I would extend the stop and search to anyone under 30. And mandatory annual driving tests for the same group - and, come to that, anyone who watches Top Gear and/or drives a BMW/Audi.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh, and anyone with large speakers or tinted windows should get a year's ban.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
😂😂
Tinted windows come as standard in the rear these days!
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Can't helped I'm afraid. Banned.
posted on 11/4/21
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 2 minutes ago
I would demand a cavity search evert time someone who watches Mrs Brown's Boys leaves their house
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We are once again on common ground.
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Seriously, who actually watches that? Literally, I mean literally, everyone I speak to hates it.
posted on 11/4/21
I am actually glad that Oscar brought up knife crime because it highlights a glaring hypocrisy from the left for me.
In London in 2017 two thirds of knife possession offenders under 25 were non-whites. So when this disparity exists - the left are more than happy to point to socioeconomic causes etc. And quite rightly so as I mentioned to Oscar it is a young male in poor areas/backgrounds that’s the issue not race.
Yet when a different disparity is brought up - like pay, education etc - all of a sudden the main causal factor is racism and the socioeconomics is pushed aside.
Hmmm sounds reasonable to me...
posted on 11/4/21
comment by Oscar. #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 1 minute ago
As I said it’s probably the wrong way to go about it and it’s not viable but we’ve got to do something to stop this knife epidemic
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Where does it rank as an epidemic? Knife crime is abhorrent but overall it still does less harm than stuff like racism. We are shocked by knife crime because it is visibly terrible and makes us emotional but there's lots of worse things we could deal with too.
Another common deception is the figures used by media which justify the use of terms like "epidemic".
White people are still responsible for most knife crime in the UK. It's just that black people are disproportionately represented in that statistic. By focussing on black people, you only tackle perhaps 24% of knife crime leaving the ither 76% to continue stabbing each other.
This is one reason an approach based on race is racist, and cannot work. If all black people stopped using knives, you'd only have reduced knife crime by about 24%. But if all white people stopped using knives, you'd reduce knife crime by 76%.
The figures are from 2010. They might have changed since then but I don't think they've changed in a manner that defeats the point I'm making.
posted on 11/4/21
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posted on 11/4/21
So in short, if you stopped all white people and searched them, then you would stop infinitely more knife crime than of you searched all black people.
So why the focus on black people when focussing on white people would reduce instances of knife crime more significantly?
posted on 11/4/21
The empire should be taught warts and all in schools.
posted on 11/4/21
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/20/perspective-on-black-knife
posted on 11/4/21
Blind recruitment should be the norm.
posted on 11/4/21
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 seconds ago
I am actually glad that Oscar brought up knife crime because it highlights a glaring hypocrisy from the left for me.
In London in 2017 two thirds of knife possession offenders under 25 were non-whites. So when this disparity exists - the left are more than happy to point to socioeconomic causes etc. And quite rightly so as I mentioned to Oscar it is a young male in poor areas/backgrounds that’s the issue not race.
Yet when a different disparity is brought up - like pay, education etc - all of a sudden the main causal factor is racism and the socioeconomics is pushed aside.
Hmmm sounds reasonable to me...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So what... Racism for both or society?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Socioeconomic factors for both. If a young guy, black or white, is brought up in a tough neighbourhood he is more likely to get into trouble like that, he is more likely to do less well in school, he is therefore less likely to do well career wise and so on and so on.
posted on 11/4/21
Pretty sure everyone is taught WWI and that is the most damning indictment of imperialism available
posted on 11/4/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
I am actually glad that Oscar brought up knife crime because it highlights a glaring hypocrisy from the left for me.
In London in 2017 two thirds of knife possession offenders under 25 were non-whites. So when this disparity exists - the left are more than happy to point to socioeconomic causes etc. And quite rightly so as I mentioned to Oscar it is a young male in poor areas/backgrounds that’s the issue not race.
Yet when a different disparity is brought up - like pay, education etc - all of a sudden the main causal factor is racism and the socioeconomics is pushed aside.
Hmmm sounds reasonable to me...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Comments like this one astound me. Because there is no realization that it cuts both ways. When you point at others, 3 or 4 fingers are actually pointing at you.
"The right" does the se thing. Putting stuff down to either class or race sending on their convenience of opinion.
The left don't do this more than the right, they're all at it.
How can you not see this?
posted on 11/4/21
I was taught Gallipoli by an Australian teacher as well
posted on 11/4/21
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted less than a minute ago
Pretty sure everyone is taught WWI and that is the most damning indictment of imperialism available
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Europeans fighting Europeans in Europe.
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