comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 9 hours, 44 minutes ago
I've said it time and time again. We can sell the Ake's, Chalobah's, Solanke's for a quick buck all day long and people can p!ss and moan, delude themselves into thinking the club is making a mistake. As long as the club retains the Christensen's, we're making the most of the loan policy.
Plays like a veteran at 21 y/o, the sky's the limit for this kid.
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We're not making most of loan policy if we produce players like Chalobah and Ake more than good enough for the squad and don't utilise them. You never reply to any of my posts on this but I don't see why a youngster coming through has to have sky high potential to make it at Chelsea, while we spend £30m on average squad players. Those are needed as well. Madrid do it (Vasquez, Vallejo, Hakimi), Barce do it, Bayern do it, we're the exception to norm compared to big clubs if we don't use the good talents we have coming g through.
I agree we do need to utilise young players more but some on here have an obsession with youngsters and would rather they played regardless of ability, Some called for Loftus-Cheek to regularly start
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 4 hours, 59 minutes ago
I think Ivanovic would have still done a job for Chelsea if he was still a Chelsea player.What do you think about that,Sheriff?
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I think he was too slow a year prior to his departure
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 5 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 9 hours, 46 minutes ago
Sheriff I think Luiz can play as central midfielder as his passing is quite good from there.
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He is (above all) a top quality footballer..and as such should be in any starting 11
Unsure why DL11 would think otherwise..perhaps he'll regale us with some reasons why he shouldn't play in midfield.
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He's good at playing out from defense, but their is a big difference between that and playing out from defense and being an all round midfield player.
He's pretty horrible in possession in midfield and is one of the big reason's the ball kept coming back at us vs Roma and Spurs.
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We're not making most of loan policy if we produce players like Chalobah and Ake more than good enough for the squad and don't utilise them. You never reply to any of my posts on this but I don't see why a youngster coming through has to have sky high potential to make it at Chelsea, while we spend £30m on average squad players. Those are needed as well. Madrid do it (Vasquez, Vallejo, Hakimi), Barce do it, Bayern do it, we're the exception to norm compared to big clubs if we don't use the good talents we have coming g through.
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My apologies, honesty haven't noticed my lack of replying.
Because whether it's a healthy, self-sustaining setup or not, under Abramovich we've always had an unofficial rule of every player who gets into any starting XI of a major competition (and there by extension the squad) has to be a proven commodity, with only desperate exceptions like Bertrand in the 2012 CL Final. Players like Ake & Chalobah quality wise could fill squad space, if they were happy to do so, but neither made significant impressions on loan to prove they could be anything more - so why not cash in on a potential unproven squad player for a squad player who is proven (e.g. Drinkwater).
The only time this philosophy has bitten us on the @rse is with De Bryune, but even that could be put down to Jose's mismanagement/having him in the squad at all in 2013. If we'd have loaned him to Wolfsburg at the start of that season rather than sold him mid-season he probably won't have gotten away from us.
I would be more in depth on this but I'm late for work. Next time this topic pops up, which it inevitably will, I'll be more thorough
comment by Always NPE - 1,000,002 (U20804)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 5 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 minutes ago
Lol zahra don't get involved with NPE. most clueless poster.
Big luiz fan and that blinds him.
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poor old NPE was on one yesterday....reckon he had too many sweets
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Compared to you, who is as dense as a gormless Z-list reality star, and as eloquent as diarrhoea ridden toddler.
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Those E numbers are still in his system apparently
Saying that a player has performed well and not been poor as some fans would have all believe is not equivalent to being stuck in somebody's arszhole.
HHBF -
Just because it's the way it is doesn't mean it's delusional to want it changed, and as the quality of our youth is increasing to the point where we're producing PL quality players the argument that 'they're not good enough' which tbf may/was true in past is starting to get more weak. If, and it's widely accepted, you think selling Bertrand was a mistake/he could have been useful than so could have Chalobah and Ake who are almost certainly going to have as successful a career as Bertrand.
Bertrand was a good player and could have been at least a decent utility player like Paolo Ferreira in the past for Chelsea.
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Can someone please advise what elefixers are...?
NPE may have made that up to look clever
Ta
I agree, we are nuturing players much better than in times past, but there's two main issues with that argument the club would disagree with. Firstly the club has been successful operating how we have up till now + is self sustaining after putting the money in for so long, so why would we change a winning formula?
And secondly, although we are producing PL quality players more consistently, with the exception of Christensen, Courtois, Lukaku (and in hindsight De Bryune), we haven't produced any players who couldn't be replaced or upgrade. Bertrand is a good example, if we'd have promoted him to a point where he was the first choice LB by the start of last season, we may not have signed Alonso whose proven to be a better player. You see clubs like Arsenal do this with players like IwobI, good player who'll likely have a decent career with them but who most certainly could be upgraded/short and probably long term, and had he come through our youth system he would've been by now.
I do see your point, and the word delusional was abit strong, but I see the club's reasoning and can't disagree with it.
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posted on 6/11/17
Still I miss Ivanovic.
posted on 6/11/17
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 9 hours, 44 minutes ago
I've said it time and time again. We can sell the Ake's, Chalobah's, Solanke's for a quick buck all day long and people can p!ss and moan, delude themselves into thinking the club is making a mistake. As long as the club retains the Christensen's, we're making the most of the loan policy.
Plays like a veteran at 21 y/o, the sky's the limit for this kid.
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We're not making most of loan policy if we produce players like Chalobah and Ake more than good enough for the squad and don't utilise them. You never reply to any of my posts on this but I don't see why a youngster coming through has to have sky high potential to make it at Chelsea, while we spend £30m on average squad players. Those are needed as well. Madrid do it (Vasquez, Vallejo, Hakimi), Barce do it, Bayern do it, we're the exception to norm compared to big clubs if we don't use the good talents we have coming g through.
posted on 6/11/17
I agree we do need to utilise young players more but some on here have an obsession with youngsters and would rather they played regardless of ability, Some called for Loftus-Cheek to regularly start
posted on 6/11/17
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 4 hours, 59 minutes ago
I think Ivanovic would have still done a job for Chelsea if he was still a Chelsea player.What do you think about that,Sheriff?
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I think he was too slow a year prior to his departure
posted on 6/11/17
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 5 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 9 hours, 46 minutes ago
Sheriff I think Luiz can play as central midfielder as his passing is quite good from there.
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He is (above all) a top quality footballer..and as such should be in any starting 11
Unsure why DL11 would think otherwise..perhaps he'll regale us with some reasons why he shouldn't play in midfield.
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He's good at playing out from defense, but their is a big difference between that and playing out from defense and being an all round midfield player.
He's pretty horrible in possession in midfield and is one of the big reason's the ball kept coming back at us vs Roma and Spurs.
posted on 6/11/17
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posted on 6/11/17
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posted on 6/11/17
We're not making most of loan policy if we produce players like Chalobah and Ake more than good enough for the squad and don't utilise them. You never reply to any of my posts on this but I don't see why a youngster coming through has to have sky high potential to make it at Chelsea, while we spend £30m on average squad players. Those are needed as well. Madrid do it (Vasquez, Vallejo, Hakimi), Barce do it, Bayern do it, we're the exception to norm compared to big clubs if we don't use the good talents we have coming g through.
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My apologies, honesty haven't noticed my lack of replying.
Because whether it's a healthy, self-sustaining setup or not, under Abramovich we've always had an unofficial rule of every player who gets into any starting XI of a major competition (and there by extension the squad) has to be a proven commodity, with only desperate exceptions like Bertrand in the 2012 CL Final. Players like Ake & Chalobah quality wise could fill squad space, if they were happy to do so, but neither made significant impressions on loan to prove they could be anything more - so why not cash in on a potential unproven squad player for a squad player who is proven (e.g. Drinkwater).
The only time this philosophy has bitten us on the @rse is with De Bryune, but even that could be put down to Jose's mismanagement/having him in the squad at all in 2013. If we'd have loaned him to Wolfsburg at the start of that season rather than sold him mid-season he probably won't have gotten away from us.
I would be more in depth on this but I'm late for work. Next time this topic pops up, which it inevitably will, I'll be more thorough
posted on 6/11/17
comment by Always NPE - 1,000,002 (U20804)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 5 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 minutes ago
Lol zahra don't get involved with NPE. most clueless poster.
Big luiz fan and that blinds him.
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poor old NPE was on one yesterday....reckon he had too many sweets
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Compared to you, who is as dense as a gormless Z-list reality star, and as eloquent as diarrhoea ridden toddler.
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Those E numbers are still in his system apparently
posted on 6/11/17
Saying that a player has performed well and not been poor as some fans would have all believe is not equivalent to being stuck in somebody's arszhole.
posted on 6/11/17
HHBF -
Just because it's the way it is doesn't mean it's delusional to want it changed, and as the quality of our youth is increasing to the point where we're producing PL quality players the argument that 'they're not good enough' which tbf may/was true in past is starting to get more weak. If, and it's widely accepted, you think selling Bertrand was a mistake/he could have been useful than so could have Chalobah and Ake who are almost certainly going to have as successful a career as Bertrand.
posted on 6/11/17
Bertrand was a good player and could have been at least a decent utility player like Paolo Ferreira in the past for Chelsea.
posted on 6/11/17
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posted on 6/11/17
Can someone please advise what elefixers are...?
NPE may have made that up to look clever
Ta
posted on 6/11/17
I agree, we are nuturing players much better than in times past, but there's two main issues with that argument the club would disagree with. Firstly the club has been successful operating how we have up till now + is self sustaining after putting the money in for so long, so why would we change a winning formula?
And secondly, although we are producing PL quality players more consistently, with the exception of Christensen, Courtois, Lukaku (and in hindsight De Bryune), we haven't produced any players who couldn't be replaced or upgrade. Bertrand is a good example, if we'd have promoted him to a point where he was the first choice LB by the start of last season, we may not have signed Alonso whose proven to be a better player. You see clubs like Arsenal do this with players like IwobI, good player who'll likely have a decent career with them but who most certainly could be upgraded/short and probably long term, and had he come through our youth system he would've been by now.
I do see your point, and the word delusional was abit strong, but I see the club's reasoning and can't disagree with it.
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