Huddersfield look like they might survive this year despite being promoted with a negative goal difference. Recently qualified clubs don't seem to come straight back down like they did 10 years ago. I think this demonstrates that the bottom of the Premier league and the top of the Championship are much closer than when we were last promoted.
Don't think it is particularly worse than most other championship seasons to be honest but the overall quality is generally mediocre regardless of the year.
The prem is equally mediocre outside of the top six though so any of us coming up have a very good chance of surviving and i have always felt you could switch six or seven clubs between the divisions and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.
The biggest difference to me is the quality in management and in the championship far more managers still think huff and puff and kick and rush is the way forward whilst ignoring the fact that it is rarely sustainable, with Stoke and Burnley the only two i can think of to actually make it work.
Someone on the radio said the other day that we are a better side than Stoke (Joey Barton possibly).
The top 6 in the championship are as good as the bottom 6/8 in the premiership as Spart says.
That of course, does not mean the championship is any good - it might mean the bottom 1/3 of the prem is shi7e!
comment by Cinciwolf-Wolves, passing the ball since 2017 (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't think it is particularly worse than most other championship seasons to be honest but the overall quality is generally mediocre regardless of the year.
The prem is equally mediocre outside of the top six though so any of us coming up have a very good chance of surviving and i have always felt you could switch six or seven clubs between the divisions and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.
The biggest difference to me is the quality in management and in the championship far more managers still think huff and puff and kick and rush is the way forward whilst ignoring the fact that it is rarely sustainable, with Stoke and Burnley the only two i can think of to actually make it work.
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Not sure about that Cinci. Im a ST holder at Derby and to be fair most teams that have visited have tried to play decent football, including Millwall !!
Agree about Stoke though
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Someone on the radio said the other day that we are a better side than Stoke (Joey Barton possibly).
The top 6 in the championship are as good as the bottom 6/8 in the premiership as Spart says.
That of course, does not mean the championship is any good - it might mean the bottom 1/3 of the prem is shi7e!
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Coventry proved to be a better side than Stoke on Saturday, so dammed with faint praise there by Mr Barton me thinks.
comment by Sheepthrills (U1954)
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comment by Cinciwolf-Wolves, passing the ball since 2017 (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't think it is particularly worse than most other championship seasons to be honest but the overall quality is generally mediocre regardless of the year.
The prem is equally mediocre outside of the top six though so any of us coming up have a very good chance of surviving and i have always felt you could switch six or seven clubs between the divisions and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.
The biggest difference to me is the quality in management and in the championship far more managers still think huff and puff and kick and rush is the way forward whilst ignoring the fact that it is rarely sustainable, with Stoke and Burnley the only two i can think of to actually make it work.
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Not sure about that Cinci. Im a ST holder at Derby and to be fair most teams that have visited have tried to play decent football, including Millwall !!
Agree about Stoke though
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Should have made it clearer, i agree many are coming around to actually playing a more sustainable style but the champo still has maybe 6-8 that don't whilst in the prem maybe only a couple go that route.
It’s hard to say. We have not been brilliant yet we have found our way to second on a run of decent, yet not outstanding form. It’s more to other sides losing form that we have prospered. A bit like a 400 metre race where the athlete dying the least wins.
This league is attritional this season with only Wolves seeming to buck the trend.
Our deep squad make be what we need to see us over the line.
Whilst in absolute terms it may not be all that, in relative terms I think this may actually prove to be a tough year.
Wolves are ahead of the pack, literally and figuratively, and I firmly believe will see out the early promise of a resounding win and subsequent promotion.
The second automatic spot I think will prove crucial. It's by no means ours, nor is it anyone elses, but whoever does just enough to creep ahead of the chasing pack and get that spot will be in my opinion, pleased they did, as I reckon the playoffs will be as tight as they've been in a long while this year.
Us, Cardiff, Villa, Sheffield United, Boro if they get their act together, and possibly Fulham / Preston on a good day could all give each other over two legs a very testing game, and over 90 minutes in a final there wouldn't be many that stood out as markedly better than their oppo.
We really want to get that second place nailed down with another good run over the next 6-8 weeks and hope that we can somehow pull away from the others, as the cliché goes it's a lottery otherwise.
2 points a game will always get you promoted. Or, to be precise, 86 points would have got you promoted every year for the last 15.
We are on 49 from 26 so heading towards 87 points and so deserve to be 2nd on our own merit.
Exclude a patchy August where we got 7 points from 5 games, and we have gleaned 42 from the next 21 so would be on for the magical 2 points a games, 92 for the season.
Logic says we will end up around the 90 point mark if we maintain form.
I think Derby will take 2nd...I'd like Bristol through the play-offs, be interesting to see if they pick themselves up after the losses to us and the vile
Reckon anything over 85 points will be enough given the sluggish start by many.
Derby, Villa and Boro battling out the second spot i would say
According to Sky were nailed on:
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11688/11201431/sky-sports-championship-predictor-where-are-leeds-aston-villa-wolves-and-others-tipped-to-finish
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42636450
Slightly off-topic, but nonetheless hilariously ignorant of self.
Regarding the OP, I think we may also be seeing the chickens coming home to roost of sustained over-reaching by the non-Big Six clubs, resulting in a squad of overpaid mercenaries who DGAF about next season as they'll simply follow the money; the promoted sides retain at least a strong core of players who really, really want it.
Being completely biased but this has been the best Championship for years
2nd through to 9th/10th is so tight and infinitely more interesting than the PL. Add to that that there always seems to be one team that comes out of nowhere and gets into the top 6.
"Regarding the OP, I think we may also be seeing the chickens coming home to roost of sustained over-reaching by the non-Big Six clubs, resulting in a squad of overpaid mercenaries who DGAF about next season as they'll simply follow the money; the promoted sides retain at least a strong core of players who really, really want it."
That's the key I reckon. Also it's been very much the case in recent years that relegated teams struggle to yo-yo back up again, stuck as they are with mercenaries who feel the Championship is beneath them. The exception is perhaps clubs who get relegated in their first season and who have kept pretty much their core, like Burnley did when they first went down.
I’ll be surprised if anybody catches wolves. Especially with the amount of money they’ve been spending.
Regarding Derby, it’s theirs to lose cause they are in second.
Regarding the league, it’s poorer than last season.
The only outstanding team is the one above us, who spend ridiculous amounts of money.
I said when we played Wolves at the start of the season that I couldn’t decide whether we were totally rubbish or they were really good.
Well it’s turned out they are really good and we weren’t rubbish.
Does anybody look at the Prem fixtures and then look at Championship fixtures and think...Hold on a minute...where has it all gone wrong? When you see clubs like Burnley,Swansea,Huddersfield,Brighton,Watford and Bournemouth in the Prem....and then you look a league below and see Villa,Wolves,Leeds,Sunderland,Sheff Weds and Derby...I mean...where did it all go wrong???
comment by Rameses (U7190)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
I said when we played Wolves at the start of the season that I couldn’t decide whether we were totally rubbish or they were really good.
Well it’s turned out they are really good and we weren’t rubbish.
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My sentiments exactly Rameses when we played Wolves. But somehow I never thought we were rubbish even though they beat us 0-2,
comment by thriceramdini12 (U21438)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Rameses (U7190)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
I said when we played Wolves at the start of the season that I couldn’t decide whether we were totally rubbish or they were really good.
Well it’s turned out they are really good and we weren’t rubbish.
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My sentiments exactly Rameses when we played Wolves. But somehow I never thought we were rubbish even though they beat us 0-2,
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Whereas my thoughts where that Wolves where the best side we had seen in a few seasons and they would win the league by a mile.
If you want to know anything else about football let me know.
Yes Backo I often wonder about this. I suppose those who are up have had good management and the ones who are down not so good. Now we are good we will be going up.
It all went wrong when Brian Clough was forced out. If he'd stayed we would have several stars on our shirts and Forest would be starless.
Without a doubt VC its been bad management and clubs being run poorly. We seem to have everything in place...20 cup finals to go.
I just hope we go up in the top 2, I can't stand the Wembley experience again. I enjoyed it v West Brom but QPR noooooooohh
Yes its was painful VC10. We were playing better than they were. They were a man down. And we were running into extra time. 1st Jake let him get his cross in. Then Keogh mis-controlled. Then Zamora killed us off. We went from virtual triumph to defeat inside 10 seconds.
But I think this year we will do it - as second place.
If Clough had stayed we would have had no stars on our shirts. Clough had far too much class for such a stunt, especially for a knockout competition. He knew that the League was the thing. Clough had long left Forest when they put their silly stars on their shirts.
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posted on 10/1/18
Huddersfield look like they might survive this year despite being promoted with a negative goal difference. Recently qualified clubs don't seem to come straight back down like they did 10 years ago. I think this demonstrates that the bottom of the Premier league and the top of the Championship are much closer than when we were last promoted.
posted on 10/1/18
Don't think it is particularly worse than most other championship seasons to be honest but the overall quality is generally mediocre regardless of the year.
The prem is equally mediocre outside of the top six though so any of us coming up have a very good chance of surviving and i have always felt you could switch six or seven clubs between the divisions and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.
The biggest difference to me is the quality in management and in the championship far more managers still think huff and puff and kick and rush is the way forward whilst ignoring the fact that it is rarely sustainable, with Stoke and Burnley the only two i can think of to actually make it work.
posted on 10/1/18
Someone on the radio said the other day that we are a better side than Stoke (Joey Barton possibly).
The top 6 in the championship are as good as the bottom 6/8 in the premiership as Spart says.
That of course, does not mean the championship is any good - it might mean the bottom 1/3 of the prem is shi7e!
posted on 10/1/18
comment by Cinciwolf-Wolves, passing the ball since 2017 (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't think it is particularly worse than most other championship seasons to be honest but the overall quality is generally mediocre regardless of the year.
The prem is equally mediocre outside of the top six though so any of us coming up have a very good chance of surviving and i have always felt you could switch six or seven clubs between the divisions and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.
The biggest difference to me is the quality in management and in the championship far more managers still think huff and puff and kick and rush is the way forward whilst ignoring the fact that it is rarely sustainable, with Stoke and Burnley the only two i can think of to actually make it work.
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Not sure about that Cinci. Im a ST holder at Derby and to be fair most teams that have visited have tried to play decent football, including Millwall !!
Agree about Stoke though
posted on 10/1/18
comment by Peeder - grinding out results the Derby Way (U1684)
posted 3 minutes ago
Someone on the radio said the other day that we are a better side than Stoke (Joey Barton possibly).
The top 6 in the championship are as good as the bottom 6/8 in the premiership as Spart says.
That of course, does not mean the championship is any good - it might mean the bottom 1/3 of the prem is shi7e!
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Coventry proved to be a better side than Stoke on Saturday, so dammed with faint praise there by Mr Barton me thinks.
posted on 10/1/18
comment by Sheepthrills (U1954)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf-Wolves, passing the ball since 2017 (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't think it is particularly worse than most other championship seasons to be honest but the overall quality is generally mediocre regardless of the year.
The prem is equally mediocre outside of the top six though so any of us coming up have a very good chance of surviving and i have always felt you could switch six or seven clubs between the divisions and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.
The biggest difference to me is the quality in management and in the championship far more managers still think huff and puff and kick and rush is the way forward whilst ignoring the fact that it is rarely sustainable, with Stoke and Burnley the only two i can think of to actually make it work.
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Not sure about that Cinci. Im a ST holder at Derby and to be fair most teams that have visited have tried to play decent football, including Millwall !!
Agree about Stoke though
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Should have made it clearer, i agree many are coming around to actually playing a more sustainable style but the champo still has maybe 6-8 that don't whilst in the prem maybe only a couple go that route.
posted on 10/1/18
It’s hard to say. We have not been brilliant yet we have found our way to second on a run of decent, yet not outstanding form. It’s more to other sides losing form that we have prospered. A bit like a 400 metre race where the athlete dying the least wins.
This league is attritional this season with only Wolves seeming to buck the trend.
Our deep squad make be what we need to see us over the line.
posted on 10/1/18
Whilst in absolute terms it may not be all that, in relative terms I think this may actually prove to be a tough year.
Wolves are ahead of the pack, literally and figuratively, and I firmly believe will see out the early promise of a resounding win and subsequent promotion.
The second automatic spot I think will prove crucial. It's by no means ours, nor is it anyone elses, but whoever does just enough to creep ahead of the chasing pack and get that spot will be in my opinion, pleased they did, as I reckon the playoffs will be as tight as they've been in a long while this year.
Us, Cardiff, Villa, Sheffield United, Boro if they get their act together, and possibly Fulham / Preston on a good day could all give each other over two legs a very testing game, and over 90 minutes in a final there wouldn't be many that stood out as markedly better than their oppo.
We really want to get that second place nailed down with another good run over the next 6-8 weeks and hope that we can somehow pull away from the others, as the cliché goes it's a lottery otherwise.
posted on 10/1/18
2 points a game will always get you promoted. Or, to be precise, 86 points would have got you promoted every year for the last 15.
We are on 49 from 26 so heading towards 87 points and so deserve to be 2nd on our own merit.
Exclude a patchy August where we got 7 points from 5 games, and we have gleaned 42 from the next 21 so would be on for the magical 2 points a games, 92 for the season.
Logic says we will end up around the 90 point mark if we maintain form.
posted on 10/1/18
I think Derby will take 2nd...I'd like Bristol through the play-offs, be interesting to see if they pick themselves up after the losses to us and the vile
posted on 10/1/18
Reckon anything over 85 points will be enough given the sluggish start by many.
Derby, Villa and Boro battling out the second spot i would say
posted on 10/1/18
According to Sky were nailed on:
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11688/11201431/sky-sports-championship-predictor-where-are-leeds-aston-villa-wolves-and-others-tipped-to-finish
posted on 10/1/18
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42636450
Slightly off-topic, but nonetheless hilariously ignorant of self.
Regarding the OP, I think we may also be seeing the chickens coming home to roost of sustained over-reaching by the non-Big Six clubs, resulting in a squad of overpaid mercenaries who DGAF about next season as they'll simply follow the money; the promoted sides retain at least a strong core of players who really, really want it.
posted on 10/1/18
Being completely biased but this has been the best Championship for years
2nd through to 9th/10th is so tight and infinitely more interesting than the PL. Add to that that there always seems to be one team that comes out of nowhere and gets into the top 6.
posted on 10/1/18
"Regarding the OP, I think we may also be seeing the chickens coming home to roost of sustained over-reaching by the non-Big Six clubs, resulting in a squad of overpaid mercenaries who DGAF about next season as they'll simply follow the money; the promoted sides retain at least a strong core of players who really, really want it."
That's the key I reckon. Also it's been very much the case in recent years that relegated teams struggle to yo-yo back up again, stuck as they are with mercenaries who feel the Championship is beneath them. The exception is perhaps clubs who get relegated in their first season and who have kept pretty much their core, like Burnley did when they first went down.
posted on 10/1/18
I’ll be surprised if anybody catches wolves. Especially with the amount of money they’ve been spending.
Regarding Derby, it’s theirs to lose cause they are in second.
Regarding the league, it’s poorer than last season.
The only outstanding team is the one above us, who spend ridiculous amounts of money.
posted on 10/1/18
I said when we played Wolves at the start of the season that I couldn’t decide whether we were totally rubbish or they were really good.
Well it’s turned out they are really good and we weren’t rubbish.
posted on 10/1/18
Does anybody look at the Prem fixtures and then look at Championship fixtures and think...Hold on a minute...where has it all gone wrong? When you see clubs like Burnley,Swansea,Huddersfield,Brighton,Watford and Bournemouth in the Prem....and then you look a league below and see Villa,Wolves,Leeds,Sunderland,Sheff Weds and Derby...I mean...where did it all go wrong???
posted on 10/1/18
comment by Rameses (U7190)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
I said when we played Wolves at the start of the season that I couldn’t decide whether we were totally rubbish or they were really good.
Well it’s turned out they are really good and we weren’t rubbish.
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My sentiments exactly Rameses when we played Wolves. But somehow I never thought we were rubbish even though they beat us 0-2,
posted on 10/1/18
comment by thriceramdini12 (U21438)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Rameses (U7190)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
I said when we played Wolves at the start of the season that I couldn’t decide whether we were totally rubbish or they were really good.
Well it’s turned out they are really good and we weren’t rubbish.
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My sentiments exactly Rameses when we played Wolves. But somehow I never thought we were rubbish even though they beat us 0-2,
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Whereas my thoughts where that Wolves where the best side we had seen in a few seasons and they would win the league by a mile.
If you want to know anything else about football let me know.
posted on 10/1/18
Yes Backo I often wonder about this. I suppose those who are up have had good management and the ones who are down not so good. Now we are good we will be going up.
It all went wrong when Brian Clough was forced out. If he'd stayed we would have several stars on our shirts and Forest would be starless.
posted on 10/1/18
Without a doubt VC its been bad management and clubs being run poorly. We seem to have everything in place...20 cup finals to go.
posted on 10/1/18
I just hope we go up in the top 2, I can't stand the Wembley experience again. I enjoyed it v West Brom but QPR noooooooohh
posted on 10/1/18
Yes its was painful VC10. We were playing better than they were. They were a man down. And we were running into extra time. 1st Jake let him get his cross in. Then Keogh mis-controlled. Then Zamora killed us off. We went from virtual triumph to defeat inside 10 seconds.
But I think this year we will do it - as second place.
posted on 10/1/18
If Clough had stayed we would have had no stars on our shirts. Clough had far too much class for such a stunt, especially for a knockout competition. He knew that the League was the thing. Clough had long left Forest when they put their silly stars on their shirts.
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