comment by Oscar. #TeamFury. (U12980)
posted 13 minutes ago
AJ Usyk rematch is one I just can’t predict. Again it’s in AJ’s hands whether he wins or loses, he can comfortably knock Usyk out, again it’s just whether he has the heart hunger desire and willingness to do it and go all out and not be scared. Maybe he will in the rematch, or maybe he really is broken, even though I don’t think his great and think he’d lose to Fury Whyte and Wilder, he is still more than capable of beating Usyk
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AJ beats Whyte, maybe Wilder too. I feel like people are now underrating Joshua because he lost to Usyk. He still beat Whyte already and Whyte has also scraped through in fights against Chisora and Parker, and was knocked out by Povetkin. There isn't enough to say he would beat Joshua right now.

Whyte if he wins his next fight WILL fight Fury

Fury would only fight Usyk if AJ didn’t trigger the rematch within 30 days. He has so we’ll have Fury Whyte in 2022

I used to think AJ would beat Wilder but now I don't think so. Wilder showed a chin and heart I didn't think he had and it made AJs lack of desire against Usyk look even worse. Wilder landed the right hand several times against Fury, which tells me he can definitely land on AJ but I don't think AJ gets up.

Wilder still lost all 3 times to Fury, who is the only real top level fighter he's fought. First fight Fury was out of shape, and I don't think he was at his best last night either. Ok so Wilder has knocked him down a few times and has a very hard punch, but let's not give him too much credit. I could see AJ beat him. I hope we'll get to see it but I fear Wilder will go back to being a protected fighter, or even end up retiring.

Well the first fight was a draw and this 3rd was Furys toughest fight to date, which was due to Wilder. Say what you want about Wilder but he was not giving up and he was willing to go out swinging. That's something we haven't seen from AJ since the Klitschko fight. Where was the heart and desire against Usyk? Oh and Usyk almoat had AJ out in the 12th round, Imagine was Wilder can do if the right hand lands. Can AJ win, of course he can but I'd make Wilder the favourite.

As far as Wilders next move, I think he will take some time out to rest and recover. He was in a war and those fights change you forever.

Wilder’s an awful boxer, but if he can put down Tyson Fury four times I struggle to see Joshua avoiding the right and getting back up.

Apart from Ruiz 2 and Parker, AJ always has a shaky wobbly moment too, doesn’t have the footwork or head movement to avoid Wilder or to recover from the inevitable knockdown

Same with Whyte, Whyte is much much better than when they originally fought and nearly stopped him in the first fight

I can see Wilder win but I can see AJ win too. Not sure I'd make Wilder any more the favourite.

AJ lost badly to Usyk though it's a completely different fighter to have to face and he got his game plan all wrong against someone he knew was going to be moving well. With Wilder he'd know the right hand is a danger so I'm sure he'd employ different tactics. Not to mention, were the pair to fight, by the time it happens Wilder would be close to 40.

Feel like losing to Ruiz caused AJ to lose his mojo and aura of confidence and lion mentality, then add in Usyk and if he loses the rematch (which is probably the only way the Wilder fight even happens) I just think he’s done. Looks a shadow of his former self already, add in another loss think it’s curtains

And doubt he’d want anything to do with Wilder

I just don’t see how he avoids getting hit. Even Fury couldn’t and he’s a much better boxer than Joshua. Unless Joshua starts fighting like he used to, and just beats him up like Fury did in the second fight, I don’t think he’d win. And that Joshua looks to be long gone. Though you’ve a fair point about the age. I’d be surprised if we saw them fight any time soon, if at all.

comment by Oscar. #TeamFury. (U12980)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from Ruiz 2 and Parker, AJ always has a shaky wobbly moment too, doesn’t have the footwork or head movement to avoid Wilder or to recover from the inevitable knockdown
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Yeah but we've now seen Wilder get put down 5 times in his last 2 fights to a boxer who wasn't even known as a big puncher before they fought. He could quite easily go down to Joshua himself. Had wobbly moments along the way to Ortiz and to Breazle before the KO too.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Oscar. #TeamFury. (U12980)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from Ruiz 2 and Parker, AJ always has a shaky wobbly moment too, doesn’t have the footwork or head movement to avoid Wilder or to recover from the inevitable knockdown
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Yeah but we've now seen Wilder get put down 5 times in his last 2 fights to a boxer who wasn't even known as a big puncher before they fought. He could quite easily go down to Joshua himself. Had wobbly moments along the way to Ortiz and to Breazle before the KO too.
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Agree but the new AJ doesn’t seem to throw power punches or engage or have a fight, so is he even going to get that opportunity to hurt wilder, he’d have to actually engage which he didn’t even have the balls to do vs Usyk

No doubt Chisora would get knocked out cold but I’d love to see wilder vs Chisora. And wilder vs Whyte

comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
I just don’t see how he avoids getting hit. Even Fury couldn’t and he’s a much better boxer than Joshua. Unless Joshua starts fighting like he used to, and just beats him up like Fury did in the second fight, I don’t think he’d win. And that Joshua looks to be long gone. Though you’ve a fair point about the age. I’d be surprised if we saw them fight any time soon, if at all.
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A lot of people make out Joshua has changed since the Ruiz fight. It's not even as if that was way back in the past, that was only 2 fights ago. I think Joshua is intelligent enough to come in with a more aggressive strategy against Wilder. Think he will do the same with Usyk in their rematch too. It's the only way he's going to have a chance of beating him after all and he and his camp must know that now.

comment by Oscar. #TeamFury. (U12980)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Oscar. #TeamFury. (U12980)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from Ruiz 2 and Parker, AJ always has a shaky wobbly moment too, doesn’t have the footwork or head movement to avoid Wilder or to recover from the inevitable knockdown
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Yeah but we've now seen Wilder get put down 5 times in his last 2 fights to a boxer who wasn't even known as a big puncher before they fought. He could quite easily go down to Joshua himself. Had wobbly moments along the way to Ortiz and to Breazle before the KO too.
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Agree but the new AJ doesn’t seem to throw power punches or engage or have a fight, so is he even going to get that opportunity to hurt wilder, he’d have to actually engage which he didn’t even have the balls to do vs Usyk
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He just got the tactics badly wrong with Usyk but as I say, Usyk is a much different prospect. He could come in with the right game plan but still lose to Usyk cause he is that talented. I don't believe that applies to Wilder however.

comment by Oscar. #TeamFury. (U12980)
posted 4 minutes ago
No doubt Chisora would get knocked out cold but I’d love to see wilder vs Chisora. And wilder vs Whyte
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Think Whyte is more prone to going down to Wilder than Joshua is. Whyte is not exactly a stranger to being knocked down either - Joshua, Parker, Rivas, Povetkin.

Chisora definitely ain't beating Wilder.

He changed before that, though. As far back as Parker. I just think he’d try too much to avoid getting hit by Wilder, look to outbox him which he’s capable of doing, but fail because he can’t avoid that right from Wilder.

Who knows what would happen. I don't think it's as straight forward as Wilder landing on Joshua and that's that. Wilder can be got at and we haven't even seen him against enough top opponents. He's just fought Fury 3 times and has failed 3 times. I expect Usyk would beat Wilder as well as Joshua.

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Hell maybe even Joyce could beat Wilder I'm thinking. Good chin, work rate, jab. A lot of people expected him to get knocked out by Dubois and he didn't, so why not?

1. Fury
2. Wilder
3. Whyte
4. AJ
5. Usyk

For me

Fury
Usyk
AJ
Wilder
Whyte

But Wilder’s fights are generally that simple, because that and his chin are all he has. The obvious takeaways from this trilogy is that Fury is a class above, but that despite his awful boxing technique Wilder can land that right on anyone. Fury can get back up four times, I don’t think Joshua can.

Fury
Wilder
Usyk
Whyte
AJ

Wilder would flatten AJ within 3 rounds, Whyte and Usyk would be tougher but Wilder lands eventually. I think Whyte roughs up and beats AJ too.