its making a mockery of football carry on world cup

I've just seen the Chile v. Scotland game. A Chilean striker bangs the ball into the penalty box. The Scottish defender, a few years away, turns his back completely on the play. The ball strikes the back of his left upper arm at a time when he is looking away.

Decision? Penalty to Chile, and they score.

Will VAR change/improve matters?

Dream on.

A great step in the right direction.

"There is no need for the ref to have made one of these 'clear and obvious errors" rather a VAR and his team of 3 Assistant VARs will be watching the action through more than 30 cameras and if they pick up on something from any time earlier they can look tom(sic) halt the match and review it."

This part is particularly pleasing as it seems the VAR's can actually call it and the referee has to listen, rather than waiting for him to watch it himself. It should improve accuracy and the speed of the decision.

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A couple of wonderfully bad VAR decisions came up this weekend in MLS, just in case folks think it'll getbetter with time:

Note that the #23 guy is a defender thinking he's been fouled. No penalty given:

https://twitter.com/JogaBonito_USA/status/1000581917358600193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fsoccer%2F2018%2F05%2F28%2Fmls-week-13-var-sporting-kc-columbus-alan-gordon-armenteros-cristian-techera


This was VAR reviewed. No red card:

https://twitter.com/JogaBonito_USA/status/1000885259762831360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fsoccer%2F2018%2F05%2F28%2Fmls-week-13-var-sporting-kc-columbus-alan-gordon-armenteros-cristian-techera

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 56 seconds ago
Yes, it is most likely to be a complete disaster.

Aside from all the issues with the system being used within the game itself, so many fans, pundits and managers have absolutely no clue about it either.

Take TOOR for example.

He'll be a prime example of someone who thinks because his opinion is that the decision was wrong, it means it is definitely wrong and should be overturned.
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Well actually I won't but thanks for telling me what I think again.

There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

There are many examples of you doing just that.

We'll just wait for the next one to come up and you'll do it all over again.

comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
A great step in the right direction.

"There is no need for the ref to have made one of these 'clear and obvious errors" rather a VAR and his team of 3 Assistant VARs will be watching the action through more than 30 cameras and if they pick up on something from any time earlier they can look tom(sic) halt the match and review it."

This part is particularly pleasing as it seems the VAR's can actually call it and the referee has to listen, rather than waiting for him to watch it himself. It should improve accuracy and the speed of the decision.
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Oh, actually I should have been clearer. The VAR will still have to alert the ref to review it and make the decision himself, i believe.

I wonder what happens if the player has scored a goal and then is subsequently sent off. Or if a team gets wind of a VAR review on a punch being looked at and before the ref is involved, they sub him off.

man I have no confidence in these clowns!

P!ss off Winston. We're trying to have a conversation here

Manfrombelmonty (U1705)

No need to be rude.

I'm just pointing out that until fans, players and managers understand how the system works, it will create more arguments than it will solve.

International football is already played at snail's pace then if you add VAR , it will become a chess game.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 51 seconds ago
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

There are many examples of you doing just that.

We'll just wait for the next one to come up and you'll do it all over again.
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OK Winston. If you're not interested in the debate, why don't you just filter me again?

Cheers.

There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

I'm interested in debate - was just using you as an example of why there will still be big problems with VAR.

Thanks for that, we can move on now.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
Manfrombelmonty (U1705)

No need to be rude.

I'm just pointing out that until fans, players and managers understand how the system works, it will create more arguments than it will solve.
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take your own advise and don;t be rude to other posters. I'm not having you derail a perfectly dull thread with you starting on other posters and turning it into a week long argument.

Manfrombelmonty (U1705)

Fair enough, it was probably the wrong thing to do. My apologies.

Let's just say 'fans in general' then.

Most people still think the system is to review the decision... it's not (in most cases anyway), it's about clear and obvious errors.

Big difference, right?

"I'm not having you derail a perfectly dull thread"

"Most people still think the system is to review the decision... it's not (in most cases anyway), it's about clear and obvious errors"

Winston did you not read the OP?

comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
"Most people still think the system is to review the decision... it's not (in most cases anyway), it's about clear and obvious errors"

Winston did you not read the OP?
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I've read it, thanks.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
"Most people still think the system is to review the decision... it's not (in most cases anyway), it's about clear and obvious errors"

Winston did you not read the OP?
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I've read it, thanks.
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You were complaining before about people not understanding it's about clear and obvious errors. I'm not sure how true that is as I haven't seen anybody showing they misunderstand that.

The OP states that there won't be a need for the ref to have made a clear and obvious error regardless, so that misunderstanding you claim people have, won't be relevant.

comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
"I'm not having you derail a perfectly dull thread"


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I have tried my best to jazz it up a bit with action video shots from the twitter, but I know my limitiations.

Those two incidents happened just this past weekend
and to me are a big red flag that this system isn't going to be a success any time soon, doubly so at the WC when most have never used it before.

there were 4 or 5 other nations who use VAR who's refs weren't even selected for the WC. I can't see any happy ending here.

There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

My understanding is that VAR isn't going to be used to re-referee the game, so there will be subjective decisions that the referee's decision will stand for.

That surely means that clear and obvious errors are relevant?

comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
"I'm not having you derail a perfectly dull thread"


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I have tried my best to jazz it up a bit with action video shots from the twitter, but I know my limitiations.

Those two incidents happened just this past weekend
and to me are a big red flag that this system isn't going to be a success any time soon, doubly so at the WC when most have never used it before.

there were 4 or 5 other nations who use VAR who's refs weren't even selected for the WC. I can't see any happy ending here.

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I'll watch them when I finish work.

This from the FIFA web site:

Throughout a match, the video assistant referee team constantly checks for clear and obvious errors related to these four match-changing situations. The VAR team communicates with the referee only for clear and obvious mistakes or serious missed incidents.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

My understanding is that VAR isn't going to be used to re-referee the game, so there will be subjective decisions that the referee's decision will stand for.

That surely means that clear and obvious errors are relevant?
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Well yes. What I mean is that the VAR can apparently intervene without the need for a clear and obvious error.

Also some people need to know what 'clear and obvious error' means in the context of football. Even 1cm offsides count as a clear and obvious error, for example, as they are categoric - you're either offside or you're not. Some people don't understand this.

There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

I think most people do.

The bigger problem is 'some people' don't understand how clear and obvious relates to matters such as a handball.

Examples would include Young vs Chelsea in the cup final and Pieters vs Liverpool not long ago.