What’s that got to do with Fabregas being much better than him when they played in England?

I don't remember that

Proving my point about short memories.

Haha, or it didn't happen

Seriously? I just don’t know how anyone can even argue they were comparable when at Arsenal and Spurs. It was even close. Modric going up a level and Fabregas massively regressing seems to have clouded your judgement and memory.

Fabregas peaked at a younger age whereas Modric has continued to improve

In the PL, Fabregas was the better player tbh. People forget how good he was, controlled games while scoring goals and creating chances

Overall as players tho, Modric has easily surpassed him

Seriously, I know Arsenal fans used to rave about him and you've got to expect that from them, but I never got the hype, even when they both played here I rated Modric the better of the two, if you check my history you'll be able to see that, when they played here it was subjective to who was the best, I was in the Modric camp

So you were wrong then as well as now.

No I was right, I respect your wrong opinion though

Different class is biased hyperbole from an Arsenal fan that has to retrace history for an ounce of evidence to support the theory he still upholds. Why not talk about the whole picture? Why is Fabregas a commentator whilst Modric is tearing it up on the biggest stages? Fabregas is younger!

Maybe it's because Modric has always been a "different class" without getting his recognition.

You thought Modric was 'meh' because clearly you hold a grudge against him for being ex-Spurs. This is as clear as daylight going back several years.

I am biased, but you can re-trace my posting history to see my stance has never changed re. Modric. I always considered him one of the best CM's out there

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Hyperbole? Coming from the guy that attributed Real Madrid's success to Modric when they have several players in their core that are just as important and when Ronaldo is head, shoulders, waist and probably knees above everyone else when it comes to credit for their success.

If Fabregas was Croatian, rather than Spanish, he'd be in the team and not commentating. But what is irrelevant to the point is Fabregas has massively regressed. He's not even as good now as he was when he was 17, nevermind his Arsenal peak, so using that as a basis to compare his quality to Modric would be asinine. Fabregas was Arsenal's best player for years and the best playmaker in England when he played here for Arsenal. The laughable short memories here do not refute that fact. He was the guy that made us tick - central to the 2007/2008 Arsenal side, best passing team I've seen in England until Pep's City team. But he also delivered the best final ball I've seen from any player in England. Nobody delivered a through ball better than Fabregas did. Hence, his outstanding assisting quality. He also scored a lot of goals, though hardly a Lampard. Modric in Tottenham was never as good as Fabregas. Not even close.

Modric will be remembered as the greater player due to Real Madrid's recent legacy and Fabregas doing a Torres with an inexplicable massive decline. But to say Modric was better than Arsenal in England is some incredibly deluded horsesheite.

comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 53 minutes ago
Fabregas peaked at a younger age whereas Modric has continued to improve

In the PL, Fabregas was the better player tbh. People forget how good he was, controlled games while scoring goals and creating chances

Overall as players tho, Modric has easily surpassed him
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Has he really continued to improve. Far as I'm concerned, he's the same player. Technically gifted with good close control and balance. Tidy passing. Surprisingly robust for his stature which makes him effective when defending. Don't see anything he has improved. He plays a different role for Madrid which means he's less productive in attack, but more central to their build-up play.

So basically you're saying that prime Fabregas was better than prime (Real Madrid era) Modric? I would have to disagree there

comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 16 minutes ago
So basically you're saying that prime Fabregas was better than prime (Real Madrid era) Modric? I would have to disagree there
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Who would I rather have at Arsenal. Would be an easy choice to be honest. But I respect opposing opinions. Contrary to assertions about my critiques, I believe Modric is a a highly gifted footballer. But I've always believed right from his Spurs days that he gets far too much credit for too little.

I think he makes his job look far far easier than it actually is. And that is the genius of him

Although if you do truly believe Modric has remained the same since his PL days, then it's bizarre that you laugh at suggestions that Modric was better or as good as Fabregas back then. Because that would suggest that you believe that prime Fabregas was far better than prime Modric

Thing is that prime for Fabregas ended in 2011. Sure, he's had 2 good spells in each of the seasons Chelsea won the title (both times, having a bad 2nd half of the season), but it REALLY is very easy to forget just how good Fabregas was for Arsenal. I had a similar argument about this with Liverpool fans who said Alonso was better than Fabregas, and again, they used Alonso's Real Madrid career while forgetting Fabregas was vastly more influential in the PL. In my opinion, similar to your saying Fabregas being a Spaniard boosted his reputation in his youth (not true at all), I believe players like Alonso and Modric were boosted simply by wearing the Madrid shirt. If Modric were exhibiting the very same form he's showing now in a team like say Dortmund or Inter Milan, he won't get nearly as many accolades. His reputation would be about the same level as Verratti in PSG who for me is every bit as good as Modric in that role.

You're making it seem like Real Madrid win CLs regularly without sweat. It's only this supremely gifted group of players e.g. Ronaldo, Modric, Ramos, Marcelo, etc who have made the impossible look simple. Modric has been a massive part of Real's recent dominance in the CL. You cannot simply dismiss his role by creating hypotheticals about Modric playing elsewhere, or other players playing in the Madrid team

No one is saying he hasn't been key among 6 or so consistent core players for Real Madrid in their winning run. I'm saying several other variables have created that chemistry and somewhat inflated the perception of what he's done. I watch something like 2 dozen Real Madrid games every season. In my opinion, the resilience of the squad, somehow annoyingly always surviving in adversity (the late Ramos headers, the battles with Bayern where the Germans never seem to have any luck, the great impacts from the bench, dubious reffing etc), and their firepower rivaled only by Barca is the core of their success. A side like Atletico lost 2 CL finals recently - one in extra time after Ramos heroics, and another in a shootout. Doesn't mean I think the likes of Koke are amazing players - nevermind mediocre players like Gabi (a super regular for donkey years) who wouldn't look out of place in Levante or Getafe. I do believe Modric's role is overrated and the likes of Kroos are weirdly underrated. If Modric played for this Tottenham team RIGHT NOW, he would look class (like Eriksen or Dembele or Kane do) but he wouldn't look like he belongs in a different league from your players.

I don't think a prime Cesc would look in a different league either, using that analogy

The fact of the matter is that Modric has consistently excelled at the highest levels of the game for years now. Higher levels than what Cesc reached

It's your opinion. I don't see the "higher level" if you mean his individual displays. If you mean he plays in a better team, and that means he's excelling at a higher level, I guess so.

Fabregas had his chance at Barcelona i.e 'a better team' and he was not successful, there's levels to this

comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 18 minutes ago
Fabregas had his chance at Barcelona i.e 'a better team' and he was not successful, there's levels to this
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3 seasons. 151 games. 42 goals and more assists. Spent in an awkward formation that tried to accommodate him in a side that already had Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta in midfield. Under a possession-mad ideologue in Pep who didn't suit his game.
Modric spent his first season in Madrid as first choice sub for Ozil. Was voted worst signing in La Liga that season. Ozil moved on. System was adapted to accommodate his game and he thrived. It's more complicated than simply making out one as a top-level failure and the other as a success.

Interestingly, Ozil who was seen as easily Real Madrid 's best player after Ronaldo gets no credit for that phase of his career when he's being ripped for his Arsenal "failures". He succeeded at that level, but people now say he's exposed without the likes of Ronaldo playing with him. So it's interesting to see the reverse argument of sorts with Modric.

Cringeworthy levels of excuse making for Fabregas failing at his spiritual home where literally everyone was behind him, backing him to succeed.

Even more credit then to Luka for overcoming the adversity of that first season when clueless idiots voted him as the worst signing.

So not only is he technically superior, but mentally he is "different class"

Cesc played as a false nine for a lot of his time at Barca, in fairness. In hindsight it was career suicide as he just wasn’t good enough to break up that triumverate, nobody was.

Doesn’t change the fact Fabregas was a much better player in England than Modric was.

Modric at Madrid in comparison is a different debate.