Ludicrous post
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He played the DM role to perfection really
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he did for the fiorst half. For the second he dropped further and further back and was essentially a third CB.
I would normally say 'no idea how you couldn't see that' but as it is you, then I know fully well why you can't.
Football just isn't your game mate.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 46 minutes ago
Ludicrous post
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He played the DM role to perfection really
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he did for the fiorst half. For the second he dropped further and further back and was essentially a third CB.
I would normally say 'no idea how you couldn't see that' but as it is you, then I know fully well why you can't.
Football just isn't your game mate.
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He wasnt playing as a 3rd CB though was he, he was still playing as the DM.... as watford pushed us back the DM will naturally drop deeper...unless of course you want him to stay 20 yards in front of the defence regardless of how far back they are?
He wasnt playing as a 3rd CB though was he,
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Yes Dunc he was. More so in the seciond half then the first for sure. Every time the opposition had possession he was acting as a third CB.
Nearly all of Deenys duels were with Fellaini.
I am not dissing the Grootster here because he did very well in them. And of course he did very well on our set pieces.
Got to love this bit on the player rating from the mirror.
Sanchez 6
Still not living up to his colossal transfer fee and wages
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
Got to love this bit on the player rating from the mirror.
Sanchez 6
Still not living up to his colossal transfer fee and wages
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I think they get a 5 for putting their boots on the right feet.
He had a few bright early runs and after that was hopeless again. I gave him a 3.
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Now read the comment not the marking.
If you are counting the initial Mkhitaryan transfer fee as Sanchez's fee then it's still a substantial amount, but i get what you are on about.
If you are counting the initial Mkhitaryan transfer fee as Sanchez's fee
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No one should be doing that.
No correct, but thats what the Mirror reporter is getting at.
No correct, but thats what the Mirror reporter is getting at.
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No he isn't. Unless he has a total misunderstanding of what the word 'colossal' means.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 27 minutes ago
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Now read the comment not the marking.
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Totally missed that. Hahahaha.
Totally missed that. Hahahaha.
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You were right though. Probably a 3 or 4 at best.
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
Got to love this bit on the player rating from the mirror.
Sanchez 6
Still not living up to his colossal transfer fee and wages
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Putting the inaccuracies of the sentence to one side I don't think he's ever going to live up to the Sanchez of two years ago.
Mourinho can be blamed for many things but his consistent giving away of the ball when under no pressure is real laziness, there were signs of this in his last 12 months at Arsenal.
Putting the inaccuracies of the sentence to one side I don't think he's ever going to live up to the Sanchez of two years ago.
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It certainly does not look so.
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Mourinho can be blamed for many things but his consistent giving away of the ball when under no pressure is real laziness, there were signs of this in his last 12 months at Arsenal.
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Indeed there was. I was not getting giddy at all over us signing him.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
Ludicrous post
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He played the DM role to perfection really
............
he did for the fiorst half. For the second he dropped further and further back and was essentially a third CB.
I would normally say 'no idea how you couldn't see that' but as it is you, then I know fully well why you can't.
Football just isn't your game mate.
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Then it also isn't the pundits, manager or players' game, as they all also clearly knew we weren't playing three CBs.
I'll give you a clue how to spot when we do play with 3 CBs.... they'll be in a line, with one moving to the right, one moving to the left and one staying in the middle.
You seemed to be confusing that with the team compacting when we were under the kosh.
Then it also isn't the pundits, manager or players' game, as they all also clearly knew we weren't playing three CBs.
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The pundit on our game (Danny Higginbotham) alluded to Fellaini dropping back a s a third CB on more than one occasion as did the two Robbies in their half time analysis.
They highlighted it very well actually.
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I'll give you a clue how to spot when we do play with 3 CBs
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Get over yourself, you are not know on here for having much of a clue about football.
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You seemed to be confusing that with the team compacting when we were under the kosh.
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Not at all. It is clear to me the difference between where Fellaini plays and where Matic plays in this position.
The pundit on our game (Danny Higginbotham) alluded to Fellaini dropping back a s a third CB on more than one occasion as did the two Robbies in their half time analysis.
They highlighted it very well actually.
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I guess that is why you are parroting it then... Try having your own opinion. Even more laughable if they were saying it at half time
PS- very, very funny your reaction to anyone daring to question you... Your place on the spectrum is well and truly cemented.
I guess that is why you are parroting it then
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As usual you guess wrong.
Maybe you should just shut up until you learn about football.
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Even more laughable if they were saying it at half time
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Laughable because it doesn't pander to your version of events.
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PS- very, very funny your reaction to anyone daring to question you.
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But not as funny as you making a right putz of yourself again.
Pogba. He has the talent, and unlike the other two he does have a second gear. He just keeps choosing not to use it. Time and time again on Saturday he lost possession and slowed down some of our counter attacks.
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I'm unsure whether this is the issue or it's the movement from our attackers that is the problem.
You watch him for France and there is no issue of him holding onto ball and slowing attacks down. Greizman and Mbappe make the runs and he finds them time and time again.
Contrast that with one particular moment on Saturday at 2-1. A counter-attack, Pogba has the ball in the centre. Lukaku to the right is marked, and Martial is jogging at a snail's pace down the left to support him. Pogba proceeds to go himself and loses the ball. It's quite typical of a United counter-attack nowadays - completely toothless. Easy to blame Pogba in that situation but there isn't much else he can do.
And speaking of Martial, his cameo on Saturday worried me a little. Looked completely shot of confidence, somewhat disinterested and if I'm honest slightly on the chubby side.
Contrast that with one particular moment on Saturday at 2-1. A counter-attack, Pogba has the ball in the centre. Lukaku to the right is marked, and Martial is jogging at a snail's pace down the left to support him.
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I remember that bit, but there was one moment earlier when Martial had made a run and Pogba ignored him and lost possession.
Maybe it is just me, but Martial and Pogba look like they never train together.
One of the things I often lay at Pogba is he doesn't always see what is going on over his left shoulder, which is generally where Sanchez or Martial are.
Especially for shorter balls. For long balls he sees it.
Fair.
But I really don't think he is the reason for our slow counter-attacks. As a team it's just something we don't seem to be able to do.
But I really don't think he is the reason for our slow counter-attacks.
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It isn't all down to him for sure.
Oh and I completely agree with this bit. Especially the disinterested bit.
'And speaking of Martial, his cameo on Saturday worried me a little. Looked completely shot of confidence, somewhat disinterested and if I'm honest slightly on the chubby side'.
The main issue for me is that we do set up for the counter a lot of the time but we're actually not very good at it. For me it's down to a couple if things
1. We're just not very good at finishing off the counter attack in terms if final ball/decision making.
2. This is just a hunch but I feel when we're countering that we seem to still be a bit too rigid in how we do it. I don't feel we fully commit to it and that could maybe be because we're thinking of the shape we're going to drop back into if we lose the ball.
Under Jose our better performances IMO came in his first season during that run we kept drawing games even when well on top. The 4123 formation seemed to work well with 2 AMs in front of the 'sitter'. Pretty similar to Saturday really but with a more progressive midfielder than Matic in the two in a more advanced midfield role.
To be fair Fellaini has played well these last two games but I'm hoping it was more a hourses for courses thing (which I accept) rather than a regular thing.
I'd actually quite likr to see us with a Herrera, Fred, Pogba three as I think that would offer a bit of bite and creativity in midfield.
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posted on 17/9/18
Ludicrous post
...........
He played the DM role to perfection really
............
he did for the fiorst half. For the second he dropped further and further back and was essentially a third CB.
I would normally say 'no idea how you couldn't see that' but as it is you, then I know fully well why you can't.
Football just isn't your game mate.
posted on 17/9/18
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 46 minutes ago
Ludicrous post
...........
He played the DM role to perfection really
............
he did for the fiorst half. For the second he dropped further and further back and was essentially a third CB.
I would normally say 'no idea how you couldn't see that' but as it is you, then I know fully well why you can't.
Football just isn't your game mate.
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He wasnt playing as a 3rd CB though was he, he was still playing as the DM.... as watford pushed us back the DM will naturally drop deeper...unless of course you want him to stay 20 yards in front of the defence regardless of how far back they are?
posted on 17/9/18
He wasnt playing as a 3rd CB though was he,
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Yes Dunc he was. More so in the seciond half then the first for sure. Every time the opposition had possession he was acting as a third CB.
Nearly all of Deenys duels were with Fellaini.
I am not dissing the Grootster here because he did very well in them. And of course he did very well on our set pieces.
posted on 17/9/18
Got to love this bit on the player rating from the mirror.
Sanchez 6
Still not living up to his colossal transfer fee and wages
posted on 17/9/18
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
Got to love this bit on the player rating from the mirror.
Sanchez 6
Still not living up to his colossal transfer fee and wages
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I think they get a 5 for putting their boots on the right feet.
He had a few bright early runs and after that was hopeless again. I gave him a 3.
posted on 17/9/18
SE
Now read the comment not the marking.
posted on 17/9/18
If you are counting the initial Mkhitaryan transfer fee as Sanchez's fee then it's still a substantial amount, but i get what you are on about.
posted on 17/9/18
If you are counting the initial Mkhitaryan transfer fee as Sanchez's fee
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No one should be doing that.
posted on 17/9/18
No correct, but thats what the Mirror reporter is getting at.
posted on 17/9/18
No correct, but thats what the Mirror reporter is getting at.
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No he isn't. Unless he has a total misunderstanding of what the word 'colossal' means.
posted on 17/9/18
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 27 minutes ago
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Now read the comment not the marking.
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Totally missed that. Hahahaha.
posted on 17/9/18
Totally missed that. Hahahaha.
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You were right though. Probably a 3 or 4 at best.
posted on 17/9/18
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
Got to love this bit on the player rating from the mirror.
Sanchez 6
Still not living up to his colossal transfer fee and wages
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Putting the inaccuracies of the sentence to one side I don't think he's ever going to live up to the Sanchez of two years ago.
Mourinho can be blamed for many things but his consistent giving away of the ball when under no pressure is real laziness, there were signs of this in his last 12 months at Arsenal.
posted on 17/9/18
Putting the inaccuracies of the sentence to one side I don't think he's ever going to live up to the Sanchez of two years ago.
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It certainly does not look so.
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Mourinho can be blamed for many things but his consistent giving away of the ball when under no pressure is real laziness, there were signs of this in his last 12 months at Arsenal.
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Indeed there was. I was not getting giddy at all over us signing him.
posted on 17/9/18
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
Ludicrous post
...........
He played the DM role to perfection really
............
he did for the fiorst half. For the second he dropped further and further back and was essentially a third CB.
I would normally say 'no idea how you couldn't see that' but as it is you, then I know fully well why you can't.
Football just isn't your game mate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Then it also isn't the pundits, manager or players' game, as they all also clearly knew we weren't playing three CBs.
I'll give you a clue how to spot when we do play with 3 CBs.... they'll be in a line, with one moving to the right, one moving to the left and one staying in the middle.
You seemed to be confusing that with the team compacting when we were under the kosh.
posted on 17/9/18
Then it also isn't the pundits, manager or players' game, as they all also clearly knew we weren't playing three CBs.
..................
The pundit on our game (Danny Higginbotham) alluded to Fellaini dropping back a s a third CB on more than one occasion as did the two Robbies in their half time analysis.
They highlighted it very well actually.
................
I'll give you a clue how to spot when we do play with 3 CBs
.....................
Get over yourself, you are not know on here for having much of a clue about football.
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You seemed to be confusing that with the team compacting when we were under the kosh.
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Not at all. It is clear to me the difference between where Fellaini plays and where Matic plays in this position.
posted on 17/9/18
The pundit on our game (Danny Higginbotham) alluded to Fellaini dropping back a s a third CB on more than one occasion as did the two Robbies in their half time analysis.
They highlighted it very well actually.
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I guess that is why you are parroting it then... Try having your own opinion. Even more laughable if they were saying it at half time
PS- very, very funny your reaction to anyone daring to question you... Your place on the spectrum is well and truly cemented.
posted on 17/9/18
I guess that is why you are parroting it then
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As usual you guess wrong.
Maybe you should just shut up until you learn about football.
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Even more laughable if they were saying it at half time
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Laughable because it doesn't pander to your version of events.
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PS- very, very funny your reaction to anyone daring to question you.
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But not as funny as you making a right putz of yourself again.
posted on 17/9/18
Pogba. He has the talent, and unlike the other two he does have a second gear. He just keeps choosing not to use it. Time and time again on Saturday he lost possession and slowed down some of our counter attacks.
-----------------------------
I'm unsure whether this is the issue or it's the movement from our attackers that is the problem.
You watch him for France and there is no issue of him holding onto ball and slowing attacks down. Greizman and Mbappe make the runs and he finds them time and time again.
Contrast that with one particular moment on Saturday at 2-1. A counter-attack, Pogba has the ball in the centre. Lukaku to the right is marked, and Martial is jogging at a snail's pace down the left to support him. Pogba proceeds to go himself and loses the ball. It's quite typical of a United counter-attack nowadays - completely toothless. Easy to blame Pogba in that situation but there isn't much else he can do.
And speaking of Martial, his cameo on Saturday worried me a little. Looked completely shot of confidence, somewhat disinterested and if I'm honest slightly on the chubby side.
posted on 17/9/18
Contrast that with one particular moment on Saturday at 2-1. A counter-attack, Pogba has the ball in the centre. Lukaku to the right is marked, and Martial is jogging at a snail's pace down the left to support him.
..........................
I remember that bit, but there was one moment earlier when Martial had made a run and Pogba ignored him and lost possession.
Maybe it is just me, but Martial and Pogba look like they never train together.
One of the things I often lay at Pogba is he doesn't always see what is going on over his left shoulder, which is generally where Sanchez or Martial are.
Especially for shorter balls. For long balls he sees it.
posted on 17/9/18
Fair.
But I really don't think he is the reason for our slow counter-attacks. As a team it's just something we don't seem to be able to do.
posted on 17/9/18
But I really don't think he is the reason for our slow counter-attacks.
............
It isn't all down to him for sure.
Oh and I completely agree with this bit. Especially the disinterested bit.
'And speaking of Martial, his cameo on Saturday worried me a little. Looked completely shot of confidence, somewhat disinterested and if I'm honest slightly on the chubby side'.
posted on 17/9/18
The main issue for me is that we do set up for the counter a lot of the time but we're actually not very good at it. For me it's down to a couple if things
1. We're just not very good at finishing off the counter attack in terms if final ball/decision making.
2. This is just a hunch but I feel when we're countering that we seem to still be a bit too rigid in how we do it. I don't feel we fully commit to it and that could maybe be because we're thinking of the shape we're going to drop back into if we lose the ball.
Under Jose our better performances IMO came in his first season during that run we kept drawing games even when well on top. The 4123 formation seemed to work well with 2 AMs in front of the 'sitter'. Pretty similar to Saturday really but with a more progressive midfielder than Matic in the two in a more advanced midfield role.
To be fair Fellaini has played well these last two games but I'm hoping it was more a hourses for courses thing (which I accept) rather than a regular thing.
I'd actually quite likr to see us with a Herrera, Fred, Pogba three as I think that would offer a bit of bite and creativity in midfield.
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