comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 10 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Sir Halfy ...Premier League Thread Master (U11570)
posted about 11 hours ago
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 6 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by WOLVES55 (U10973)
posted 17 hours, 1 minute ago
Have to say the Leicester fans singing "Jamie Vardy he's won more than you" was strange....he hasn't
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Well I think there are several points to note here:
1. In my experience fans only retrospectively question what opposing fans were singing when they have lost a game. Very rarely is this issue ever raised in victory as it’s a pretty moot point.
2. Terrace chants are predominantly used to generate atmosphere or for “banter” between opposing sets of fans. I don’t think historical accuracy, necessarily, is forefront in the average fan’s mind. For example: we have a song about being the: “world’s greatest team” and another about being better than: “Barcelona and Madrid”. I doubt many neutral observers would agree with either of these standpoints.
3. There is a certain amount of subjectivity in the statement. Who is the “you” in “he’s won more than you”? Individual players? fans? the opposing team? I’ve previously had a discussion with friends who support Derby or Forest when they say they’ve won more than me. The question is whether they were physically present when their teams achieved their success- or even alive? I have been in the ground when Leicester City have lifted the PL title and 2 League Cups. If there are Wolves fans, in the ground, who witnessed their great era in the 1950’s then the factual accuracy of: “he’s won more than you” could be questioned, but arguably it is accurate for the majority of those present. Of course if we are considering Wolves, the club, in its entire history then I’d agree that Jamie Vardy has, indeed, not won more than “you”.
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So by your reckoning.....our 19 Year old central midfielder has won more than you and Vardy put together <World Cup>
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Thank you for completely ignoring my points about subjectivity and historical accuracy. If you hadn’t you wouldn’t be making that statement.
I refer you back to my point two. Another example: I’m old enough to have been a football fan when David Beckham first started dating Victoria Adams. Despite a popular refrain from the terraces at that time I’m not sure that anybody has ever verified, conclusively, whether Posh Spice does, indeed, take it up the backside.
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Not sure what the feck your on about, but I’m happy to leave it here and ponder your last point for good while
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posted on 27/9/18
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 10 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Sir Halfy ...Premier League Thread Master (U11570)
posted about 11 hours ago
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 6 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by WOLVES55 (U10973)
posted 17 hours, 1 minute ago
Have to say the Leicester fans singing "Jamie Vardy he's won more than you" was strange....he hasn't
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Well I think there are several points to note here:
1. In my experience fans only retrospectively question what opposing fans were singing when they have lost a game. Very rarely is this issue ever raised in victory as it’s a pretty moot point.
2. Terrace chants are predominantly used to generate atmosphere or for “banter” between opposing sets of fans. I don’t think historical accuracy, necessarily, is forefront in the average fan’s mind. For example: we have a song about being the: “world’s greatest team” and another about being better than: “Barcelona and Madrid”. I doubt many neutral observers would agree with either of these standpoints.
3. There is a certain amount of subjectivity in the statement. Who is the “you” in “he’s won more than you”? Individual players? fans? the opposing team? I’ve previously had a discussion with friends who support Derby or Forest when they say they’ve won more than me. The question is whether they were physically present when their teams achieved their success- or even alive? I have been in the ground when Leicester City have lifted the PL title and 2 League Cups. If there are Wolves fans, in the ground, who witnessed their great era in the 1950’s then the factual accuracy of: “he’s won more than you” could be questioned, but arguably it is accurate for the majority of those present. Of course if we are considering Wolves, the club, in its entire history then I’d agree that Jamie Vardy has, indeed, not won more than “you”.
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So by your reckoning.....our 19 Year old central midfielder has won more than you and Vardy put together <World Cup>
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Thank you for completely ignoring my points about subjectivity and historical accuracy. If you hadn’t you wouldn’t be making that statement.
I refer you back to my point two. Another example: I’m old enough to have been a football fan when David Beckham first started dating Victoria Adams. Despite a popular refrain from the terraces at that time I’m not sure that anybody has ever verified, conclusively, whether Posh Spice does, indeed, take it up the backside.
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Not sure what the feck your on about, but I’m happy to leave it here and ponder your last point for good while
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