All 3 are pretty conservative managers and it showed. I think a different approach is needed and I’m sure a more offensive minded manager can bring a more entertaining brand of football, it might not get us trophies but I’m not sure that’s key for a lot of Inited fans right now.
I don’t see how we can get any top manager this season so maybe best just to give it to Carrick and the other bloke till the end of the season with little expectation. In the mean time get in the right DoF who will also effect the type of manager we want.
None have been good enough.
Moyes was a very poor choice by Fergie. Putting somebody in charge of a team full of champions who had never won anything or achieved anything was simply stupid. He was never going to get their respect.
The LVG era was better than Moyes as we came 4th and 5th and won the FA Cup. But he spent an absolute fortune to achieve that which takes the shine off it a lot. His football was also mind numbing.
Jose has been the best of a bad bunch but he's picked too many fights now and has lost most of the dressing room and most of the fans. A lot of the issues we have could have easily been rectified by now but he's just been numb to it.
None of them have been good enough ultimately and neither is Woodward.
We have absolutely no idea what time of football Moyes would have played. He wasn't around long enough to impose his philosophy. He didn't get his transfer targets and endured really bad injuries in attack.
The next manager should be someone who will serve the club; not someone who thinks he's bigger than the club. I'm looking for a hungry young manager. At the moment, I don't care if they've got a huge reputation. That counts as nothing at Old Trafford for either players (Alexis and Pogba) or managers (LVG and JM).
Wouldn't be adverse to getting GNev in til the end of the season to be honest.
Despite the debacle at Valencia, he has all the right attributes to become a good manager, and he'd genuinely give a shiiit.
With LvG and even Moyes, I could see what they were trying to do.
SexayGaalball was possession based with an attempt at quick passing. Imagine what LvG could achieve with players like Pogba and Zlatan?
SexayMoyesball was taking it to the wing and crossing it in as shown by the games with a million crosses. Again, imagine what Moyes would have done with the same talent?
Jose is a busted flush and it was obvious to me his last season at Chelsea.
It is a shame that the club does not have the balls to get rid.
Well LVG had a philosophy he was trying to implement didnt he? Lol.
We have no identity
Moyes just tried to copy what Fergie did, no new ideas at all.
LvG would have been great a decade before... The fact that he was certain to leave after a few years made that whole process almost pointless. Similar can probably now be said about Jose.
I don't think it's impossible for a more progressive manager to come in and turn the ship quite quickly though. We have a bit of a mishmash of players, but there is quality enough there to give the right manager a good platform.
The right man for the job (eg, me) could get a team like this playing decent football:
---------------DDG----------------
Dalot, Bailly, Smalling, Shaw
--------------Herrera--------------
-----------Fred-Pogba-----------
Rashers----Lukaku----Martial
The season is as good as gone other than trying to get 4th, and with the right progress, i think we could all accept a season without CL anyway.
Well win the CL, don’t worry.
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comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 28 minutes ago
Wouldn't be adverse to getting GNev in til the end of the season to be honest.
Despite the debacle at Valencia, he has all the right attributes to become a good manager, and he'd genuinely give a shiiit.
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No way Neville would risk blotting his copy book with united fans.
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 28 minutes ago
Wouldn't be adverse to getting GNev in til the end of the season to be honest.
Despite the debacle at Valencia, he has all the right attributes to become a good manager, and he'd genuinely give a shiiit.
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No way Neville would risk blotting his copy book with united fans.
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I don't know. Maybe he'd be tempted if we was offered a caretaker role? He'd certainly try and get us playing better football and he'd get plenty of time from the fans IMO.
Don’t think Neville has any desire to manage again, didn’t he say so?
I was thinking the same about Carrick. Give him a chance with a strong support group around him. Maybe get Phelan back as a no. 2 with SAF mentoring him. Also perhaps a DOF making signings based on an agreed footballing philosophy for the long term. So if Carrick doesn't work out we at least don't have to change half the squad too.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 28 minutes ago
Wouldn't be adverse to getting GNev in til the end of the season to be honest.
Despite the debacle at Valencia, he has all the right attributes to become a good manager, and he'd genuinely give a shiiit.
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No way Neville would risk blotting his copy book with united fans.
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I don't know. Maybe he'd be tempted if we was offered a caretaker role? He'd certainly try and get us playing better football and he'd get plenty of time from the fans IMO.
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If he failed at that it would permanently effect his standing with the fans I don’t think he would be willing that with his time at the club making him a club legend.
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 28 minutes ago
Wouldn't be adverse to getting GNev in til the end of the season to be honest.
Despite the debacle at Valencia, he has all the right attributes to become a good manager, and he'd genuinely give a shiiit.
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No way Neville would risk blotting his copy book with united fans.
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I take your point.
Just a contract til the end of the season might tempt him though.
Also if it goes tiiits up tomorrow night (which I get the feeling it will), the rot really will have set in, and he'd be seen as getting a bit of a "free pass" for the season in terms of how well we do and where we finish.
This short term outlook has been the root of our present day fiasco. We need to be thinking minimum 5 years hence with some resemblance of a plan which goes much much further than shirt sales and balance sheets.
Oh .. and for the record regarding the OP at least LVG's press conferences were watchable .. mental as anything but still watcahble !
Does Carrick have the coaching badges to manage?
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 28 minutes ago
Wouldn't be adverse to getting GNev in til the end of the season to be honest.
Despite the debacle at Valencia, he has all the right attributes to become a good manager, and he'd genuinely give a shiiit.
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No way Neville would risk blotting his copy book with united fans.
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I take your point.
Just a contract til the end of the season might tempt him though.
Also if it goes tiiits up tomorrow night (which I get the feeling it will), the rot really will have set in, and he'd be seen as getting a bit of a "free pass" for the season in terms of how well we do and where we finish.
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Keano. That's how I feel but I get Loz's point as well.
Even if we do win tomorrow and at the weekend I still hope the club will look at this start, and all the negativity, and make the right decision.
Would be huge ask of Carrick who has just dipped his toes in to the coaching game not too mention him having heart problems in the last year
Can't see him taking it on
SAF was great at getting results no matter how we played due to motivational factor. I think our last 3 managers don't have that. Mourinho lost it, LVG likes making players like robots and Moyes aspiring to be like Man CIty comment didn't sit well or Jagielka comments and his tactics were awful.
Give it to Wenger till the end of the season
AVB is the man for Man Utd!
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 56 minutes ago
LvG would have been great a decade before... The fact that he was certain to leave after a few years made that whole process almost pointless. Similar can probably now be said about Jose.
I don't think it's impossible for a more progressive manager to come in and turn the ship quite quickly though. We have a bit of a mishmash of players, but there is quality enough there to give the right manager a good platform.
The right man for the job (eg, me) could get a team like this playing decent football:
---------------DDG----------------
Dalot, Bailly, Smalling, Shaw
--------------Herrera--------------
-----------Fred-Pogba-----------
Rashers----Lukaku----Martial
The season is as good as gone other than trying to get 4th, and with the right progress, i think we could all accept a season without CL anyway.
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I like this team and one player we got rid of that we shouldn't have was Blind.
Slight tweak on your team for me below;
---------------DDG----------------
Dalot, SMalling, Bailly, Shaw
--------------Matic / Herrera--------------
-----------Fred-Pogba-----------
Rashford----Lukaku----Martial
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posted on 1/10/18
All 3 are pretty conservative managers and it showed. I think a different approach is needed and I’m sure a more offensive minded manager can bring a more entertaining brand of football, it might not get us trophies but I’m not sure that’s key for a lot of Inited fans right now.
I don’t see how we can get any top manager this season so maybe best just to give it to Carrick and the other bloke till the end of the season with little expectation. In the mean time get in the right DoF who will also effect the type of manager we want.
posted on 1/10/18
None have been good enough.
Moyes was a very poor choice by Fergie. Putting somebody in charge of a team full of champions who had never won anything or achieved anything was simply stupid. He was never going to get their respect.
The LVG era was better than Moyes as we came 4th and 5th and won the FA Cup. But he spent an absolute fortune to achieve that which takes the shine off it a lot. His football was also mind numbing.
Jose has been the best of a bad bunch but he's picked too many fights now and has lost most of the dressing room and most of the fans. A lot of the issues we have could have easily been rectified by now but he's just been numb to it.
None of them have been good enough ultimately and neither is Woodward.
posted on 1/10/18
We have absolutely no idea what time of football Moyes would have played. He wasn't around long enough to impose his philosophy. He didn't get his transfer targets and endured really bad injuries in attack.
posted on 1/10/18
The next manager should be someone who will serve the club; not someone who thinks he's bigger than the club. I'm looking for a hungry young manager. At the moment, I don't care if they've got a huge reputation. That counts as nothing at Old Trafford for either players (Alexis and Pogba) or managers (LVG and JM).
posted on 1/10/18
Wouldn't be adverse to getting GNev in til the end of the season to be honest.
Despite the debacle at Valencia, he has all the right attributes to become a good manager, and he'd genuinely give a shiiit.
posted on 1/10/18
With LvG and even Moyes, I could see what they were trying to do.
SexayGaalball was possession based with an attempt at quick passing. Imagine what LvG could achieve with players like Pogba and Zlatan?
SexayMoyesball was taking it to the wing and crossing it in as shown by the games with a million crosses. Again, imagine what Moyes would have done with the same talent?
Jose is a busted flush and it was obvious to me his last season at Chelsea.
It is a shame that the club does not have the balls to get rid.
posted on 1/10/18
Well LVG had a philosophy he was trying to implement didnt he? Lol.
We have no identity
posted on 1/10/18
Moyes just tried to copy what Fergie did, no new ideas at all.
posted on 1/10/18
LvG would have been great a decade before... The fact that he was certain to leave after a few years made that whole process almost pointless. Similar can probably now be said about Jose.
I don't think it's impossible for a more progressive manager to come in and turn the ship quite quickly though. We have a bit of a mishmash of players, but there is quality enough there to give the right manager a good platform.
The right man for the job (eg, me) could get a team like this playing decent football:
---------------DDG----------------
Dalot, Bailly, Smalling, Shaw
--------------Herrera--------------
-----------Fred-Pogba-----------
Rashers----Lukaku----Martial
The season is as good as gone other than trying to get 4th, and with the right progress, i think we could all accept a season without CL anyway.
posted on 1/10/18
Well win the CL, don’t worry.
posted on 1/10/18
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posted on 1/10/18
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 28 minutes ago
Wouldn't be adverse to getting GNev in til the end of the season to be honest.
Despite the debacle at Valencia, he has all the right attributes to become a good manager, and he'd genuinely give a shiiit.
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No way Neville would risk blotting his copy book with united fans.
posted on 1/10/18
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 28 minutes ago
Wouldn't be adverse to getting GNev in til the end of the season to be honest.
Despite the debacle at Valencia, he has all the right attributes to become a good manager, and he'd genuinely give a shiiit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No way Neville would risk blotting his copy book with united fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know. Maybe he'd be tempted if we was offered a caretaker role? He'd certainly try and get us playing better football and he'd get plenty of time from the fans IMO.
posted on 1/10/18
Don’t think Neville has any desire to manage again, didn’t he say so?
posted on 1/10/18
I was thinking the same about Carrick. Give him a chance with a strong support group around him. Maybe get Phelan back as a no. 2 with SAF mentoring him. Also perhaps a DOF making signings based on an agreed footballing philosophy for the long term. So if Carrick doesn't work out we at least don't have to change half the squad too.
posted on 1/10/18
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 28 minutes ago
Wouldn't be adverse to getting GNev in til the end of the season to be honest.
Despite the debacle at Valencia, he has all the right attributes to become a good manager, and he'd genuinely give a shiiit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No way Neville would risk blotting his copy book with united fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know. Maybe he'd be tempted if we was offered a caretaker role? He'd certainly try and get us playing better football and he'd get plenty of time from the fans IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If he failed at that it would permanently effect his standing with the fans I don’t think he would be willing that with his time at the club making him a club legend.
posted on 1/10/18
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 28 minutes ago
Wouldn't be adverse to getting GNev in til the end of the season to be honest.
Despite the debacle at Valencia, he has all the right attributes to become a good manager, and he'd genuinely give a shiiit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No way Neville would risk blotting his copy book with united fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I take your point.
Just a contract til the end of the season might tempt him though.
Also if it goes tiiits up tomorrow night (which I get the feeling it will), the rot really will have set in, and he'd be seen as getting a bit of a "free pass" for the season in terms of how well we do and where we finish.
posted on 1/10/18
This short term outlook has been the root of our present day fiasco. We need to be thinking minimum 5 years hence with some resemblance of a plan which goes much much further than shirt sales and balance sheets.
Oh .. and for the record regarding the OP at least LVG's press conferences were watchable .. mental as anything but still watcahble !
posted on 1/10/18
Does Carrick have the coaching badges to manage?
posted on 1/10/18
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 28 minutes ago
Wouldn't be adverse to getting GNev in til the end of the season to be honest.
Despite the debacle at Valencia, he has all the right attributes to become a good manager, and he'd genuinely give a shiiit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No way Neville would risk blotting his copy book with united fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I take your point.
Just a contract til the end of the season might tempt him though.
Also if it goes tiiits up tomorrow night (which I get the feeling it will), the rot really will have set in, and he'd be seen as getting a bit of a "free pass" for the season in terms of how well we do and where we finish.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Keano. That's how I feel but I get Loz's point as well.
Even if we do win tomorrow and at the weekend I still hope the club will look at this start, and all the negativity, and make the right decision.
posted on 1/10/18
Would be huge ask of Carrick who has just dipped his toes in to the coaching game not too mention him having heart problems in the last year
Can't see him taking it on
posted on 1/10/18
SAF was great at getting results no matter how we played due to motivational factor. I think our last 3 managers don't have that. Mourinho lost it, LVG likes making players like robots and Moyes aspiring to be like Man CIty comment didn't sit well or Jagielka comments and his tactics were awful.
posted on 1/10/18
Give it to Wenger till the end of the season
posted on 1/10/18
AVB is the man for Man Utd!
posted on 1/10/18
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 56 minutes ago
LvG would have been great a decade before... The fact that he was certain to leave after a few years made that whole process almost pointless. Similar can probably now be said about Jose.
I don't think it's impossible for a more progressive manager to come in and turn the ship quite quickly though. We have a bit of a mishmash of players, but there is quality enough there to give the right manager a good platform.
The right man for the job (eg, me) could get a team like this playing decent football:
---------------DDG----------------
Dalot, Bailly, Smalling, Shaw
--------------Herrera--------------
-----------Fred-Pogba-----------
Rashers----Lukaku----Martial
The season is as good as gone other than trying to get 4th, and with the right progress, i think we could all accept a season without CL anyway.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I like this team and one player we got rid of that we shouldn't have was Blind.
Slight tweak on your team for me below;
---------------DDG----------------
Dalot, SMalling, Bailly, Shaw
--------------Matic / Herrera--------------
-----------Fred-Pogba-----------
Rashford----Lukaku----Martial
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