comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
I want to see Sarri given a chance to prove himself, however, I also have lost confidence in him on one account.
I get CHO is young and had we had two more players of the quality of Hazard I'd be relatively happy with the time Callum is getting.
My problem is Willian and Pedro can put non descript performances in, on a regular basis yet still keep their places in front of Callum. I keep asking myself how many times are they going to get away with average to poor performances before Sarri will act and make a statement to Willian and Pedro that sub standard will not do and also to CHO that if he puts performances in he'll keep his place in the team.
He appears to me to have an absence of incentive in his management style, I don't like it and find it incredibly infuriating.
The same applies with RLC, I can see no reasonable excuse for Barkley or Kovacic to start in front of him, except that maybe he's still trying to protect RLC from his recent back troubles.
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RLC is still having problems, he said so after the Kiev match.
CHO...I think most of us think he shd have played more. I am hoping he starts agst Wolves, but I suspect he will not but start in Kiev.
But the upside is he was trusted to play in a semi final first leg agst Spurs at Wembley and he was trusted to come on in the Cup final agst City at Wembley. There are very few 18 year old players at top clubs that can claim that on their CV.
Compared to previous years it is a small step forward. Also, put yourself in Sarri;s shoes. He knows that Willian and Pedro are coming to the end of their careers, they have maximum one more season to offer...I can see why Sarri wants to integrate CHO at a slow pace before giving him full responsibility.
But as I said, he shd have played more minutes imo.
comment by Bov (U6696)
posted 7 hours, 32 minutes ago
I would be happier seeing Kante in a more central position. That does not mean deep lying. His best season was his first with us. Playing him out wide does give us the benefit of his pace and he has exploited that against full backs at time most recently v Davies of Spurs but play him more centrally and it's easier for him to get back and nick the ball in those areas and he has the abilityu to keep the ball moving when we have possession there. This Jorginho bull about keeping the team ticking has long been known. He's giving the ball away too often. If Sarri wants to play him he should do so further upfield so when he loses the ball or is sacked like a quarterback the side is not in immediate danger. Personally I'd drop him for a few games til he sorts himself out and order extra weight training so he's not pushed off the ball so easily.
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But that makes no sense to deploy Jorginho high because the essence of Sarriball is to win the ball high up the pitch............, hence why he has deployed Kante (our best player at winning the ball back) in that position.
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Bov (U6696)
posted 7 hours, 32 minutes ago
I would be happier seeing Kante in a more central position. That does not mean deep lying. His best season was his first with us. Playing him out wide does give us the benefit of his pace and he has exploited that against full backs at time most recently v Davies of Spurs but play him more centrally and it's easier for him to get back and nick the ball in those areas and he has the abilityu to keep the ball moving when we have possession there. This Jorginho bull about keeping the team ticking has long been known. He's giving the ball away too often. If Sarri wants to play him he should do so further upfield so when he loses the ball or is sacked like a quarterback the side is not in immediate danger. Personally I'd drop him for a few games til he sorts himself out and order extra weight training so he's not pushed off the ball so easily.
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But that makes no sense to deploy Jorginho high because the essence of Sarriball is to win the ball high up the pitch............, hence why he has deployed Kante (our best player at winning the ball back) in that position.
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I know it makes no sense to push him forward. My point which has not come across is I don't want him so deep that we are in danger of conceding when he loses the ball. I'd rather he was dropped/rested as I'm frustrated that he loses possession so often playing 10 yard passes sideways yet Sarri is ok with it. Weird
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Bov (U6696)
posted 7 hours, 32 minutes ago
I would be happier seeing Kante in a more central position. That does not mean deep lying. His best season was his first with us. Playing him out wide does give us the benefit of his pace and he has exploited that against full backs at time most recently v Davies of Spurs but play him more centrally and it's easier for him to get back and nick the ball in those areas and he has the abilityu to keep the ball moving when we have possession there. This Jorginho bull about keeping the team ticking has long been known. He's giving the ball away too often. If Sarri wants to play him he should do so further upfield so when he loses the ball or is sacked like a quarterback the side is not in immediate danger. Personally I'd drop him for a few games til he sorts himself out and order extra weight training so he's not pushed off the ball so easily.
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But that makes no sense to deploy Jorginho high because the essence of Sarriball is to win the ball high up the pitch............, hence why he has deployed Kante (our best player at winning the ball back) in that position.
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Can you please tell me what Jorginho brings to the team? As soon as someones on him it's curtains. AT least Mikel could deal with the physical side of the game despite his many detractors that was never thrown at him. It's only a matter of time before he costs us. Very close last week at Fulham.
I think as previously mentioned, he passes the ball first time and always makes Hi. Self available for the return pass. He is a key reason why we have improved so much to playing out from the back to beat the high press. And that is a major part of his role.
What do you think hazard will do, if Jose Jose goes to real
I think he’ll stay with you. Where else coukd he go? Barca, probably unlikely, juve, possibly, United Ior PSG? Not likely.
Who else could afford him? Bayern?
AT least Mikel could deal with the physical side of the game despite his many detractors that was never thrown at him. It's only a matter of time before he costs us. Very close last week at Fulham.
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Jorginho's quicker, sharper and more intelligent with and without the ball than Mikel ever was. He very rarely lost the ball I'll give him that, and Jorginho does more than he should, but comparing them is apples and oranges.
Teams target Jorginho because they know he's the linchpin, his impact being nullified and our downturn in form isn't a coincidence. Mikel never had to cope with the sort of pressure Jorginho has this season, playing in far superior Chelsea teams, and he still wasn't on his level.
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 19 hours, 19 minutes ago
AT least Mikel could deal with the physical side of the game despite his many detractors that was never thrown at him. It's only a matter of time before he costs us. Very close last week at Fulham.
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Jorginho's quicker, sharper and more intelligent with and without the ball than Mikel ever was. He very rarely lost the ball I'll give him that, and Jorginho does more than he should, but comparing them is apples and oranges.
Teams target Jorginho because they know he's the linchpin, his impact being nullified and our downturn in form isn't a coincidence. Mikel never had to cope with the sort of pressure Jorginho has this season, playing in far superior Chelsea teams, and he still wasn't on his level.
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So what, cos he's sharper than Mikel he escapes criticism? Dress it up as you like I've just got back from watching the shower of s..t that is Jorginho give the ball away time after time and we are a better team without him. Hearing Chelsea fans applaud when he goes off means I'm not the only one. He is out of his comfort zone in PL. He needs to bulk up his phsique to hold off challenges and give more than short passes that don't hurt the opponents.
The main difference between mikel and Jorginho is size...Mikel could look after himself and bully a bit...as goes passing and effectiveness it's close
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 0 seconds ago
The main difference between mikel and Jorginho is size...Mikel could look after himself and bully a bit...as goes passing and effectiveness it's close
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Jorginho plays more....but you wonder why at times
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The main difference between mikel and Jorginho is size...Mikel could look after himself and bully a bit...as goes passing and effectiveness it's close
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Really isn't.
Defensively it's close, for an imposing guy Mikel got turned over just as easily as Jorginho does. This idea that Mikel was good defensively is a complete myth. Offensively he shielded the ball better than Jorginho but that's it - he was slower, safer, and had no forethought what so ever. The only similarity is the superficial "5 yard passes" bullshite, neither of them were Pirlo or Xabi Alonso type playmakers.
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 7 minutes ago
The main difference between mikel and Jorginho is size...Mikel could look after himself and bully a bit...as goes passing and effectiveness it's close
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Really isn't.
Defensively it's close, for an imposing guy Mikel got turned over just as easily as Jorginho does. This idea that Mikel was good defensively is a complete myth. Offensively he shielded the ball better than Jorginho but that's it - he was slower, safer, and had no forethought what so ever. The only similarity is the superficial "5 yard passes" bullshite, neither of them were Pirlo or Xabi Alonso type playmakers.
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Yeah that's broadly fair
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Can We Trust Sarri?
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posted on 9/3/19
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
I want to see Sarri given a chance to prove himself, however, I also have lost confidence in him on one account.
I get CHO is young and had we had two more players of the quality of Hazard I'd be relatively happy with the time Callum is getting.
My problem is Willian and Pedro can put non descript performances in, on a regular basis yet still keep their places in front of Callum. I keep asking myself how many times are they going to get away with average to poor performances before Sarri will act and make a statement to Willian and Pedro that sub standard will not do and also to CHO that if he puts performances in he'll keep his place in the team.
He appears to me to have an absence of incentive in his management style, I don't like it and find it incredibly infuriating.
The same applies with RLC, I can see no reasonable excuse for Barkley or Kovacic to start in front of him, except that maybe he's still trying to protect RLC from his recent back troubles.
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RLC is still having problems, he said so after the Kiev match.
CHO...I think most of us think he shd have played more. I am hoping he starts agst Wolves, but I suspect he will not but start in Kiev.
But the upside is he was trusted to play in a semi final first leg agst Spurs at Wembley and he was trusted to come on in the Cup final agst City at Wembley. There are very few 18 year old players at top clubs that can claim that on their CV.
Compared to previous years it is a small step forward. Also, put yourself in Sarri;s shoes. He knows that Willian and Pedro are coming to the end of their careers, they have maximum one more season to offer...I can see why Sarri wants to integrate CHO at a slow pace before giving him full responsibility.
But as I said, he shd have played more minutes imo.
posted on 9/3/19
comment by Bov (U6696)
posted 7 hours, 32 minutes ago
I would be happier seeing Kante in a more central position. That does not mean deep lying. His best season was his first with us. Playing him out wide does give us the benefit of his pace and he has exploited that against full backs at time most recently v Davies of Spurs but play him more centrally and it's easier for him to get back and nick the ball in those areas and he has the abilityu to keep the ball moving when we have possession there. This Jorginho bull about keeping the team ticking has long been known. He's giving the ball away too often. If Sarri wants to play him he should do so further upfield so when he loses the ball or is sacked like a quarterback the side is not in immediate danger. Personally I'd drop him for a few games til he sorts himself out and order extra weight training so he's not pushed off the ball so easily.
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But that makes no sense to deploy Jorginho high because the essence of Sarriball is to win the ball high up the pitch............, hence why he has deployed Kante (our best player at winning the ball back) in that position.
posted on 9/3/19
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Bov (U6696)
posted 7 hours, 32 minutes ago
I would be happier seeing Kante in a more central position. That does not mean deep lying. His best season was his first with us. Playing him out wide does give us the benefit of his pace and he has exploited that against full backs at time most recently v Davies of Spurs but play him more centrally and it's easier for him to get back and nick the ball in those areas and he has the abilityu to keep the ball moving when we have possession there. This Jorginho bull about keeping the team ticking has long been known. He's giving the ball away too often. If Sarri wants to play him he should do so further upfield so when he loses the ball or is sacked like a quarterback the side is not in immediate danger. Personally I'd drop him for a few games til he sorts himself out and order extra weight training so he's not pushed off the ball so easily.
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But that makes no sense to deploy Jorginho high because the essence of Sarriball is to win the ball high up the pitch............, hence why he has deployed Kante (our best player at winning the ball back) in that position.
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I know it makes no sense to push him forward. My point which has not come across is I don't want him so deep that we are in danger of conceding when he loses the ball. I'd rather he was dropped/rested as I'm frustrated that he loses possession so often playing 10 yard passes sideways yet Sarri is ok with it. Weird
posted on 9/3/19
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Bov (U6696)
posted 7 hours, 32 minutes ago
I would be happier seeing Kante in a more central position. That does not mean deep lying. His best season was his first with us. Playing him out wide does give us the benefit of his pace and he has exploited that against full backs at time most recently v Davies of Spurs but play him more centrally and it's easier for him to get back and nick the ball in those areas and he has the abilityu to keep the ball moving when we have possession there. This Jorginho bull about keeping the team ticking has long been known. He's giving the ball away too often. If Sarri wants to play him he should do so further upfield so when he loses the ball or is sacked like a quarterback the side is not in immediate danger. Personally I'd drop him for a few games til he sorts himself out and order extra weight training so he's not pushed off the ball so easily.
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But that makes no sense to deploy Jorginho high because the essence of Sarriball is to win the ball high up the pitch............, hence why he has deployed Kante (our best player at winning the ball back) in that position.
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Can you please tell me what Jorginho brings to the team? As soon as someones on him it's curtains. AT least Mikel could deal with the physical side of the game despite his many detractors that was never thrown at him. It's only a matter of time before he costs us. Very close last week at Fulham.
posted on 9/3/19
I think as previously mentioned, he passes the ball first time and always makes Hi. Self available for the return pass. He is a key reason why we have improved so much to playing out from the back to beat the high press. And that is a major part of his role.
posted on 9/3/19
What do you think hazard will do, if Jose Jose goes to real
I think he’ll stay with you. Where else coukd he go? Barca, probably unlikely, juve, possibly, United Ior PSG? Not likely.
Who else could afford him? Bayern?
posted on 9/3/19
AT least Mikel could deal with the physical side of the game despite his many detractors that was never thrown at him. It's only a matter of time before he costs us. Very close last week at Fulham.
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Jorginho's quicker, sharper and more intelligent with and without the ball than Mikel ever was. He very rarely lost the ball I'll give him that, and Jorginho does more than he should, but comparing them is apples and oranges.
Teams target Jorginho because they know he's the linchpin, his impact being nullified and our downturn in form isn't a coincidence. Mikel never had to cope with the sort of pressure Jorginho has this season, playing in far superior Chelsea teams, and he still wasn't on his level.
posted on 10/3/19
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 19 hours, 19 minutes ago
AT least Mikel could deal with the physical side of the game despite his many detractors that was never thrown at him. It's only a matter of time before he costs us. Very close last week at Fulham.
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Jorginho's quicker, sharper and more intelligent with and without the ball than Mikel ever was. He very rarely lost the ball I'll give him that, and Jorginho does more than he should, but comparing them is apples and oranges.
Teams target Jorginho because they know he's the linchpin, his impact being nullified and our downturn in form isn't a coincidence. Mikel never had to cope with the sort of pressure Jorginho has this season, playing in far superior Chelsea teams, and he still wasn't on his level.
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So what, cos he's sharper than Mikel he escapes criticism? Dress it up as you like I've just got back from watching the shower of s..t that is Jorginho give the ball away time after time and we are a better team without him. Hearing Chelsea fans applaud when he goes off means I'm not the only one. He is out of his comfort zone in PL. He needs to bulk up his phsique to hold off challenges and give more than short passes that don't hurt the opponents.
posted on 10/3/19
The main difference between mikel and Jorginho is size...Mikel could look after himself and bully a bit...as goes passing and effectiveness it's close
posted on 10/3/19
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 0 seconds ago
The main difference between mikel and Jorginho is size...Mikel could look after himself and bully a bit...as goes passing and effectiveness it's close
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Jorginho plays more....but you wonder why at times
posted on 10/3/19
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posted on 10/3/19
The main difference between mikel and Jorginho is size...Mikel could look after himself and bully a bit...as goes passing and effectiveness it's close
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Really isn't.
Defensively it's close, for an imposing guy Mikel got turned over just as easily as Jorginho does. This idea that Mikel was good defensively is a complete myth. Offensively he shielded the ball better than Jorginho but that's it - he was slower, safer, and had no forethought what so ever. The only similarity is the superficial "5 yard passes" bullshite, neither of them were Pirlo or Xabi Alonso type playmakers.
posted on 10/3/19
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 7 minutes ago
The main difference between mikel and Jorginho is size...Mikel could look after himself and bully a bit...as goes passing and effectiveness it's close
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Really isn't.
Defensively it's close, for an imposing guy Mikel got turned over just as easily as Jorginho does. This idea that Mikel was good defensively is a complete myth. Offensively he shielded the ball better than Jorginho but that's it - he was slower, safer, and had no forethought what so ever. The only similarity is the superficial "5 yard passes" bullshite, neither of them were Pirlo or Xabi Alonso type playmakers.
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Yeah that's broadly fair
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