To me the hardest thing in football is to create. And we don’t convert great situations into enough great chances.
Lack quality and it’s killed us
I agree - I think that Pablo has been off the boil for the last couple of games and that has dropped the quality of our attack. Not trying to have a go at him - he's still played well and with energy that I wouldn't have expected from him at this end of the season, but Pablo isn't at 100% at the moment.
Also, Klich seems to be really poor, but still gets to stay on the pitch every game. I like the guy and he was real quality in the first part of the season, but recently he's been very poor - so many of his passes went to opposition players. He lost the ball unnecessarily for one of their goals on Monday. At the moment I would have him benched.
Fair points, Leeds fan, but the team was mentally and emotionally out of it. We have two games to get our key players back up to speed for three cup finals. The question is, how do we do that?
If we can get them playing with the fluency, confidence and aggression shown even a few games ago (Reading away, Bristol away, Wednesday home), we have a chance.
Birmingham, Brentford and Wigan are 3 sides that had too much much power and pace on the counter against us and we had no answer for it.
Klich, Roberts and Harrison create very little and you need more from your 8,10 and 11,
The OP makes very good points. Also, Pablo turned 34 this month. As good as he been, we can't rely upon him for another 46 game season if we don't go up.
At Championship level excess pace usually means technique suffers, especially in offensive situations.
Leeds attack needs less pace and more composure, technique is sacrificed, shooting is wayward, crosses are blocked, the ball is overrun and lost...
It can be argued that Bielsa has been very successful with these players, they have overachieved, if it was Automatic promotion for the first 3 teams he and the players would be hailed as magnificent and legends.
They can still get promotion but morale is the key now, Bielsa has a real job on now to lift the players individually I would suggest, but legendary status awaits him to get the job done.
Don, Klich has faded after decent start, Harrison delivers little, Roberts is growing, I think he'll be a star for us next season.
Re NJS points, we don't have any pace in side, its exactly what we're missing and went for James. I think what you're talking about is haste, in which case I agree, passes hit too firmly, taking shots when time isn't right etc. Berardi's hoof against Wigan instead of constructively passing out as we tend to do, cost us the goal that could well determine our fate this season.
Well Jonty, pace can be subjective opinion, I don't think either Norwich or Sheffield Utd have great pace in the striking positions...what Pukki and Sharp for example have is composure, Pukki also has good technique.
Roofe imo has great pace but technique needs to improve...Wood had no pace to speak of but had composure, if he was a Leeds player now I think we would be already promoted.
doesn't need to be the strikers with pace, for our style, overlapping players who get to goalie to cross back, it needs to be those overlapping players with pace. Alioski, Harrison, Douglas, Ayling, Dallas, none of them have it.
My opinion is the coaching needs to concentrate on technique, not pace...
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 2 minutes ago
You can't coach pace.
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Good job Usain Bolt didn't have a coach, else nobody would have stood a chance.
Oh yes you can...but anyway my emphasis is on technique in this context.
NJS, please enlighten us on how you catch pace.
You can coach a good ready position, you can coach reaction, you can coach deceleration (actually more important than pace), you can't coach pace itself.
You get faster by diet and strength training, interval training...strength training in moderation, not too much emphasis on muscles...diet is important, speed can be improved dramatically by the right diet...you need an inspired and enlightened coach to help implement more pace....
comment by NJS (U8272)
posted 4 minutes ago
You get faster by diet and strength training, interval training...strength training in moderation, not too much emphasis on muscles...diet is important, speed can be improved dramatically by the right diet...you need an inspired and enlightened coach to help implement more pace....
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bang on...
That's not coaching pace, that enhancing athleticism and of course it helps along with diet. But you need an innate talent to start with (and that is my point), look to the work by Pitsiladis on this who specifically searching for genetic traits in Jamaiacan sprinters but found no specific DNA evidence, it's why Bamford would never be as fast as Bale.
have a look at the the difference is diets between Mo Farrer, and Usain Bolt.. then have a look at the training they go through...
100% correct NJS
I would prefer to read Coe and Ovett, their coaching manuals....I think we're getting away from the original points...now the implication you're saying is players can't get faster...which is nonsense of course they can and do.
I'm not saying they can't get faster, I'm saying that their needs to be an innate talent.
Society has been conditioned into thinking everything is achieved through coaching and practice, the 10,000 hours rule.
If coaching were to achieve this regarding pace, then you just need Alioski to put in 10,000 running practice and he'll be as fast as Bolt, its utter nonsense and your ignoring scientific study in this area.
well you did, you said you can't coach pace...
I would prefer players with good technique, to get faster, than players who are 'pacey' with no technique at all..
if you were to marry the two, you've got a CL player, a la Ronaldo... realistically, we're not signing him anytime soon brother
well you did, you said you can't coach pace...
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At the risk of sounding like a scratched record you can't, that is an innate ability. You can teach athletes to be more prepared, how to take the first step, higher knee lifts etc, but without the innate ability you only get so far.
You don't sign a player because you think you can make them a little faster, you sign a player because they're fast.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 minute ago
well you did, you said you can't coach pace...
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At the risk of sounding like a scratched record you can't, that is an innate ability. You can teach athletes to be more prepared, how to take the first step, higher knee lifts etc, but without the innate ability you only get so far.
You don't sign a player because you think you can make them a little faster, you sign a player because they're fast.
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The original point as I understand was coaching footballers to be faster....not the biological physical differences between Usain Bolt and some fat lady who finds it difficult to run fast!
- I guess it all depends on where Jonty moves the goal posts on this
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posted on 23/4/19
To me the hardest thing in football is to create. And we don’t convert great situations into enough great chances.
Lack quality and it’s killed us
posted on 23/4/19
I agree - I think that Pablo has been off the boil for the last couple of games and that has dropped the quality of our attack. Not trying to have a go at him - he's still played well and with energy that I wouldn't have expected from him at this end of the season, but Pablo isn't at 100% at the moment.
Also, Klich seems to be really poor, but still gets to stay on the pitch every game. I like the guy and he was real quality in the first part of the season, but recently he's been very poor - so many of his passes went to opposition players. He lost the ball unnecessarily for one of their goals on Monday. At the moment I would have him benched.
posted on 24/4/19
Fair points, Leeds fan, but the team was mentally and emotionally out of it. We have two games to get our key players back up to speed for three cup finals. The question is, how do we do that?
If we can get them playing with the fluency, confidence and aggression shown even a few games ago (Reading away, Bristol away, Wednesday home), we have a chance.
posted on 24/4/19
Birmingham, Brentford and Wigan are 3 sides that had too much much power and pace on the counter against us and we had no answer for it.
posted on 24/4/19
Klich, Roberts and Harrison create very little and you need more from your 8,10 and 11,
posted on 24/4/19
The OP makes very good points. Also, Pablo turned 34 this month. As good as he been, we can't rely upon him for another 46 game season if we don't go up.
posted on 24/4/19
At Championship level excess pace usually means technique suffers, especially in offensive situations.
Leeds attack needs less pace and more composure, technique is sacrificed, shooting is wayward, crosses are blocked, the ball is overrun and lost...
It can be argued that Bielsa has been very successful with these players, they have overachieved, if it was Automatic promotion for the first 3 teams he and the players would be hailed as magnificent and legends.
They can still get promotion but morale is the key now, Bielsa has a real job on now to lift the players individually I would suggest, but legendary status awaits him to get the job done.
posted on 24/4/19
Don, Klich has faded after decent start, Harrison delivers little, Roberts is growing, I think he'll be a star for us next season.
Re NJS points, we don't have any pace in side, its exactly what we're missing and went for James. I think what you're talking about is haste, in which case I agree, passes hit too firmly, taking shots when time isn't right etc. Berardi's hoof against Wigan instead of constructively passing out as we tend to do, cost us the goal that could well determine our fate this season.
posted on 24/4/19
Well Jonty, pace can be subjective opinion, I don't think either Norwich or Sheffield Utd have great pace in the striking positions...what Pukki and Sharp for example have is composure, Pukki also has good technique.
Roofe imo has great pace but technique needs to improve...Wood had no pace to speak of but had composure, if he was a Leeds player now I think we would be already promoted.
posted on 24/4/19
doesn't need to be the strikers with pace, for our style, overlapping players who get to goalie to cross back, it needs to be those overlapping players with pace. Alioski, Harrison, Douglas, Ayling, Dallas, none of them have it.
posted on 24/4/19
My opinion is the coaching needs to concentrate on technique, not pace...
posted on 24/4/19
You can't coach pace.
posted on 24/4/19
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 2 minutes ago
You can't coach pace.
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Good job Usain Bolt didn't have a coach, else nobody would have stood a chance.
posted on 24/4/19
Oh yes you can...but anyway my emphasis is on technique in this context.
posted on 24/4/19
NJS, please enlighten us on how you catch pace.
You can coach a good ready position, you can coach reaction, you can coach deceleration (actually more important than pace), you can't coach pace itself.
posted on 24/4/19
You get faster by diet and strength training, interval training...strength training in moderation, not too much emphasis on muscles...diet is important, speed can be improved dramatically by the right diet...you need an inspired and enlightened coach to help implement more pace....
posted on 24/4/19
comment by NJS (U8272)
posted 4 minutes ago
You get faster by diet and strength training, interval training...strength training in moderation, not too much emphasis on muscles...diet is important, speed can be improved dramatically by the right diet...you need an inspired and enlightened coach to help implement more pace....
----
bang on...
posted on 24/4/19
That's not coaching pace, that enhancing athleticism and of course it helps along with diet. But you need an innate talent to start with (and that is my point), look to the work by Pitsiladis on this who specifically searching for genetic traits in Jamaiacan sprinters but found no specific DNA evidence, it's why Bamford would never be as fast as Bale.
posted on 24/4/19
have a look at the the difference is diets between Mo Farrer, and Usain Bolt.. then have a look at the training they go through...
100% correct NJS
posted on 24/4/19
I would prefer to read Coe and Ovett, their coaching manuals....I think we're getting away from the original points...now the implication you're saying is players can't get faster...which is nonsense of course they can and do.
posted on 24/4/19
I'm not saying they can't get faster, I'm saying that their needs to be an innate talent.
Society has been conditioned into thinking everything is achieved through coaching and practice, the 10,000 hours rule.
If coaching were to achieve this regarding pace, then you just need Alioski to put in 10,000 running practice and he'll be as fast as Bolt, its utter nonsense and your ignoring scientific study in this area.
posted on 24/4/19
well you did, you said you can't coach pace...
I would prefer players with good technique, to get faster, than players who are 'pacey' with no technique at all..
if you were to marry the two, you've got a CL player, a la Ronaldo... realistically, we're not signing him anytime soon brother
posted on 24/4/19
well you did, you said you can't coach pace...
---------
At the risk of sounding like a scratched record you can't, that is an innate ability. You can teach athletes to be more prepared, how to take the first step, higher knee lifts etc, but without the innate ability you only get so far.
You don't sign a player because you think you can make them a little faster, you sign a player because they're fast.
posted on 24/4/19
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 minute ago
well you did, you said you can't coach pace...
---------
At the risk of sounding like a scratched record you can't, that is an innate ability. You can teach athletes to be more prepared, how to take the first step, higher knee lifts etc, but without the innate ability you only get so far.
You don't sign a player because you think you can make them a little faster, you sign a player because they're fast.
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The original point as I understand was coaching footballers to be faster....not the biological physical differences between Usain Bolt and some fat lady who finds it difficult to run fast!
posted on 24/4/19
- I guess it all depends on where Jonty moves the goal posts on this
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