wow.. im sure ive read something like this over and over again from you recently
this reminds me of the constant Anderson articles of yesteryear
We have 65 scouts. What do they do???
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 27 seconds ago
wow.. im sure ive read something like this over and over again from you recently
this reminds me of the constant Anderson articles of yesteryear
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Don't like it, read another article.
I was right about that fat waste of space too. Took you lot 6 years for the Fatboy fan club to shut down.
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
We have 65 scouts. What do they do???
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Expensive all paid for trips to Europe to go get wasted and sleep with hookers would be my guess.
someone piiiiiiss in your cornflakes this morning SE
He's certainly had his muck ups... Handing out the highest wage to a new player was daft and set a dangerous, disruptive precedent. But I think you are laying too much blame at his door, which could set you up for disappointment if he is replaced and we still have major issues in the same way that some people think getting a DoF will magically fix everything.
Anyone else think that OGS should get g Neville as part of his staff. Even as dof he would do a good job
Ji
I dunno, I reckon replacing Woodward with someone who actually knows something about football would make a big difference.
Lets also not forget that Woodward isn't in charge of getting our sponsors anymore, that's Richard Arnold who has been the club's commercial management director ever since Woodward was promoted.
Unless things have changed most scouts are unpaid but get expenses and tickets, sometimes not even expenses. Most do it because they enjoy it. Not the chief scout of course. Often they get tipoffs from teachers, junior coaches and go and have a look. There will normally be a scout or two in each major European football area who will get a retainer, Dutch, Scandinavian etc.
All this is from several years ago though and times change.
Was there a story that some of our scouts resigned because they kept recommending top young talent and Woodward wasn't interested?
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
We have 65 scouts. What do they do???
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Expensive all paid for trips to Europe to go get wasted and sleep with hookers would be my guess.
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Applying for the job right now.
We'd honestly have been better off making me chief scout and signing all the wonderkids I unearthed on football manager 3 years ago.
MU52
I think from what Neville is saying though there seems to be quite high level scouts still at the club that have been appointed by different people (Ferguson, Moyes, LVG an d the CEO). That just sounds like a complete mess, especially when you keep rotating managers and have no clear long term plan of how you want the club to progress. When you also factor in the supposed comments of Phelan the other day saying that the board change their mind on a weekly basis and it just sounds so depressing.
He's a clip of what Neville said last night if anyone wants to watch.
https://twitter.com/TheManUtdWay/status/1125520975452364800
Scouts ,I ask you,Dib Dib Dib !
Dab Dab Dab !
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 20 minutes ago
We have 65 scouts. What do they do???
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Not a thing, apparently.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
We'd honestly have been better off making me chief scout and signing all the wonderkids I unearthed on football manager 3 years ago.
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I believe playing footy manager 2012 is what our scouts are doing...
Mumbai
That was our ex head of youth recruitment who said that he went to Woodward and recommended both de Jong and de Ligt.
"Players that they turned down? Matthijs de Ligt. We had God knows how many reports on Matthijs de Ligt. Frenkie de Jong and all these players now are sort of around Europe. Dayot Upamecano, who is now at Red Bull Leipzig, was another.
"This was one of the reasons why I had a meeting with Ed Woodward and I told him that I wasn't convinced with the competency of certain people at the club. I told Ed Woodward quite straight: 'If you think I'm going to sit here and just tell you what you want to hear, I'm not that man because I'm going to tell you exactly how I see it."
I know Marcel Bout came in with Van Gaal, he’s supposed to be our head of global scouting network. I don’t know who Jose or Moyes brought along that still linger in the club though.
But Neville is saying what all of us have been thinking on here for the last six years now, it’s so annoying that it’s taken this long for our legends to realise it.
It may or may not be the scouts fault. They may have recommended dozens of players who came good, but nothing was acted on. If that's the case where do we point the finger, whose job is it, I don't know.
MU52
Surely it boils down to Woodward, that's the whole point of his job? He's the one who is in charge of who we recruit and how we use them? Like the quote I put above, people aren't/weren't happy at the way things are going at the club and when telling Woodward, nothing is done.
There simply seems to be no real structure and that seems to have been the case for the past 6 seasons. Even if we do get a DoF this summer I'm not remotely confident we'll do it right.
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 25 minutes ago
wow.. im sure ive read something like this over and over again from you recently
this reminds me of the constant Anderson articles of yesteryear
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I honestly do not know what crime Woodward has committed here.
SAF gave us Moyes, Dithering Moyes didn't make signings quickly.
Everyone was pleased about LvG and Woodward gave him 200 million to spend. The upheaval with the squad didn't help.
Then people like Mr Ender wanted Jose and Woodward got him too. Gave "Tha Jose" over 300M to spend and he bought crap.
What should Woodward have done differently?
You can say he should have got a DoF and maybe not thrown money at some players but ultimately he did what most people wanted and gave managers the funds.
Some of the arguments I read here make me question how people think
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 20 minutes ago
We have 65 scouts. What do they do???
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Not a thing, apparently.
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So far wide of the mark, you can't even see the mark. The mark is in a different postcode. You can literally cheat on the mark and not break the bro code.
It doesn't matter who they identify, track and recommend if the club isn't interested in hearing their voices and investing in long term solutions.
The scouts on the ground have literally zero influence in terms of final decisions on transfers.
Scouting at United right now is probably the most painfully pointless work in the world. I actually feel sorry for them.
So hiring and sacking completely different managers ever couple seasons with no real long term plan or structure and having the largest wage bill in the PL when our squad isn't particularly good is perfectly fine? His job isn't just about hiring a manager and giving him a wad of cash to spend. He has to look at what type of manager the club want based on the long term plans we want to implement, we then need to bring in the right staff who can work around that, we need to look at how we will evolve as a club. Also, why didn't Moyes make those signing back then, because he had Ed in charge who had no idea what he was doing.
How you're still backing Woodward after the mess the club have been these past 6 years is madness.
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 25 minutes ago
wow.. im sure ive read something like this over and over again from you recently
this reminds me of the constant Anderson articles of yesteryear
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I honestly do not know what crime Woodward has committed here.
SAF gave us Moyes, Dithering Moyes didn't make signings quickly.
Everyone was pleased about LvG and Woodward gave him 200 million to spend. The upheaval with the squad didn't help.
Then people like Mr Ender wanted Jose and Woodward got him too. Gave "Tha Jose" over 300M to spend and he bought crap.
What should Woodward have done differently?
You can say he should have got a DoF and maybe not thrown money at some players but ultimately he did what most people wanted and gave managers the funds.
Some of the arguments I read here make me question how people think
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He doesn't give managers funds. The funds are at his disposal.
He is responsible for negotiations and, ultimately, deciding which players to bring on board based largely on a list of preferred options - several for each position identified as needing strengthening - handed to him by the manager's team.
Ed makes the decisions, not the manager.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 25 minutes ago
wow.. im sure ive read something like this over and over again from you recently
this reminds me of the constant Anderson articles of yesteryear
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I honestly do not know what crime Woodward has committed here.
SAF gave us Moyes, Dithering Moyes didn't make signings quickly.
Everyone was pleased about LvG and Woodward gave him 200 million to spend. The upheaval with the squad didn't help.
Then people like Mr Ender wanted Jose and Woodward got him too. Gave "Tha Jose" over 300M to spend and he bought crap.
What should Woodward have done differently?
You can say he should have got a DoF and maybe not thrown money at some players but ultimately he did what most people wanted and gave managers the funds.
Some of the arguments I read here make me question how people think
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He doesn't give managers funds. The funds are at his disposal.
He is responsible for negotiations and, ultimately, deciding which players to bring on board based largely on a list of preferred options - several for each position identified as needing strengthening - handed to him by the manager's team.
Ed makes the decisions, not the manager.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Does Ed identify the players or does the manager and scouts do that?
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posted on 7/5/19
wow.. im sure ive read something like this over and over again from you recently
this reminds me of the constant Anderson articles of yesteryear
posted on 7/5/19
We have 65 scouts. What do they do???
posted on 7/5/19
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 27 seconds ago
wow.. im sure ive read something like this over and over again from you recently
this reminds me of the constant Anderson articles of yesteryear
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't like it, read another article.
I was right about that fat waste of space too. Took you lot 6 years for the Fatboy fan club to shut down.
posted on 7/5/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
We have 65 scouts. What do they do???
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Expensive all paid for trips to Europe to go get wasted and sleep with hookers would be my guess.
posted on 7/5/19
someone piiiiiiss in your cornflakes this morning SE
posted on 7/5/19
He's certainly had his muck ups... Handing out the highest wage to a new player was daft and set a dangerous, disruptive precedent. But I think you are laying too much blame at his door, which could set you up for disappointment if he is replaced and we still have major issues in the same way that some people think getting a DoF will magically fix everything.
posted on 7/5/19
Anyone else think that OGS should get g Neville as part of his staff. Even as dof he would do a good job
posted on 7/5/19
Ji
I dunno, I reckon replacing Woodward with someone who actually knows something about football would make a big difference.
Lets also not forget that Woodward isn't in charge of getting our sponsors anymore, that's Richard Arnold who has been the club's commercial management director ever since Woodward was promoted.
posted on 7/5/19
Unless things have changed most scouts are unpaid but get expenses and tickets, sometimes not even expenses. Most do it because they enjoy it. Not the chief scout of course. Often they get tipoffs from teachers, junior coaches and go and have a look. There will normally be a scout or two in each major European football area who will get a retainer, Dutch, Scandinavian etc.
All this is from several years ago though and times change.
posted on 7/5/19
Was there a story that some of our scouts resigned because they kept recommending top young talent and Woodward wasn't interested?
posted on 7/5/19
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
We have 65 scouts. What do they do???
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Expensive all paid for trips to Europe to go get wasted and sleep with hookers would be my guess.
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Applying for the job right now.
posted on 7/5/19
We'd honestly have been better off making me chief scout and signing all the wonderkids I unearthed on football manager 3 years ago.
posted on 7/5/19
MU52
I think from what Neville is saying though there seems to be quite high level scouts still at the club that have been appointed by different people (Ferguson, Moyes, LVG an d the CEO). That just sounds like a complete mess, especially when you keep rotating managers and have no clear long term plan of how you want the club to progress. When you also factor in the supposed comments of Phelan the other day saying that the board change their mind on a weekly basis and it just sounds so depressing.
He's a clip of what Neville said last night if anyone wants to watch.
https://twitter.com/TheManUtdWay/status/1125520975452364800
posted on 7/5/19
Scouts ,I ask you,Dib Dib Dib !
Dab Dab Dab !
posted on 7/5/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 20 minutes ago
We have 65 scouts. What do they do???
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Not a thing, apparently.
posted on 7/5/19
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
We'd honestly have been better off making me chief scout and signing all the wonderkids I unearthed on football manager 3 years ago.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I believe playing footy manager 2012 is what our scouts are doing...
posted on 7/5/19
Mumbai
That was our ex head of youth recruitment who said that he went to Woodward and recommended both de Jong and de Ligt.
"Players that they turned down? Matthijs de Ligt. We had God knows how many reports on Matthijs de Ligt. Frenkie de Jong and all these players now are sort of around Europe. Dayot Upamecano, who is now at Red Bull Leipzig, was another.
"This was one of the reasons why I had a meeting with Ed Woodward and I told him that I wasn't convinced with the competency of certain people at the club. I told Ed Woodward quite straight: 'If you think I'm going to sit here and just tell you what you want to hear, I'm not that man because I'm going to tell you exactly how I see it."
posted on 7/5/19
I know Marcel Bout came in with Van Gaal, he’s supposed to be our head of global scouting network. I don’t know who Jose or Moyes brought along that still linger in the club though.
But Neville is saying what all of us have been thinking on here for the last six years now, it’s so annoying that it’s taken this long for our legends to realise it.
posted on 7/5/19
It may or may not be the scouts fault. They may have recommended dozens of players who came good, but nothing was acted on. If that's the case where do we point the finger, whose job is it, I don't know.
posted on 7/5/19
MU52
Surely it boils down to Woodward, that's the whole point of his job? He's the one who is in charge of who we recruit and how we use them? Like the quote I put above, people aren't/weren't happy at the way things are going at the club and when telling Woodward, nothing is done.
There simply seems to be no real structure and that seems to have been the case for the past 6 seasons. Even if we do get a DoF this summer I'm not remotely confident we'll do it right.
posted on 7/5/19
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 25 minutes ago
wow.. im sure ive read something like this over and over again from you recently
this reminds me of the constant Anderson articles of yesteryear
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I honestly do not know what crime Woodward has committed here.
SAF gave us Moyes, Dithering Moyes didn't make signings quickly.
Everyone was pleased about LvG and Woodward gave him 200 million to spend. The upheaval with the squad didn't help.
Then people like Mr Ender wanted Jose and Woodward got him too. Gave "Tha Jose" over 300M to spend and he bought crap.
What should Woodward have done differently?
You can say he should have got a DoF and maybe not thrown money at some players but ultimately he did what most people wanted and gave managers the funds.
Some of the arguments I read here make me question how people think
posted on 7/5/19
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 20 minutes ago
We have 65 scouts. What do they do???
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not a thing, apparently.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So far wide of the mark, you can't even see the mark. The mark is in a different postcode. You can literally cheat on the mark and not break the bro code.
It doesn't matter who they identify, track and recommend if the club isn't interested in hearing their voices and investing in long term solutions.
The scouts on the ground have literally zero influence in terms of final decisions on transfers.
Scouting at United right now is probably the most painfully pointless work in the world. I actually feel sorry for them.
posted on 7/5/19
So hiring and sacking completely different managers ever couple seasons with no real long term plan or structure and having the largest wage bill in the PL when our squad isn't particularly good is perfectly fine? His job isn't just about hiring a manager and giving him a wad of cash to spend. He has to look at what type of manager the club want based on the long term plans we want to implement, we then need to bring in the right staff who can work around that, we need to look at how we will evolve as a club. Also, why didn't Moyes make those signing back then, because he had Ed in charge who had no idea what he was doing.
How you're still backing Woodward after the mess the club have been these past 6 years is madness.
posted on 7/5/19
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 25 minutes ago
wow.. im sure ive read something like this over and over again from you recently
this reminds me of the constant Anderson articles of yesteryear
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I honestly do not know what crime Woodward has committed here.
SAF gave us Moyes, Dithering Moyes didn't make signings quickly.
Everyone was pleased about LvG and Woodward gave him 200 million to spend. The upheaval with the squad didn't help.
Then people like Mr Ender wanted Jose and Woodward got him too. Gave "Tha Jose" over 300M to spend and he bought crap.
What should Woodward have done differently?
You can say he should have got a DoF and maybe not thrown money at some players but ultimately he did what most people wanted and gave managers the funds.
Some of the arguments I read here make me question how people think
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He doesn't give managers funds. The funds are at his disposal.
He is responsible for negotiations and, ultimately, deciding which players to bring on board based largely on a list of preferred options - several for each position identified as needing strengthening - handed to him by the manager's team.
Ed makes the decisions, not the manager.
posted on 7/5/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 25 minutes ago
wow.. im sure ive read something like this over and over again from you recently
this reminds me of the constant Anderson articles of yesteryear
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I honestly do not know what crime Woodward has committed here.
SAF gave us Moyes, Dithering Moyes didn't make signings quickly.
Everyone was pleased about LvG and Woodward gave him 200 million to spend. The upheaval with the squad didn't help.
Then people like Mr Ender wanted Jose and Woodward got him too. Gave "Tha Jose" over 300M to spend and he bought crap.
What should Woodward have done differently?
You can say he should have got a DoF and maybe not thrown money at some players but ultimately he did what most people wanted and gave managers the funds.
Some of the arguments I read here make me question how people think
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He doesn't give managers funds. The funds are at his disposal.
He is responsible for negotiations and, ultimately, deciding which players to bring on board based largely on a list of preferred options - several for each position identified as needing strengthening - handed to him by the manager's team.
Ed makes the decisions, not the manager.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Does Ed identify the players or does the manager and scouts do that?
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