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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
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Diafol
I think most managers have an idea that could work in theory but it's executing it that's the issue. I get what LVG and Jose were trying to do at times but they just went about it all wrong.
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I agree. If LVG was younger and wasn't planning to retire I'd have been interested to see where he'd have taken us.
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As dull as the football was under lvg my understanding was there was a long term plan involving giggs
Not saying that would have worked out but it was a long term plan
That was all thrown out the window with the appointment of Jose who in contrast to lvg and unsurprisingly never really gave a shizit
But firstly that was a huge risk considering Giggs had never shown anything to suggest he could take over, or that he necessarily wanted to play in the same way as LVG. Secondly the fact Woodward didn't even bother to follow through with his own idea seems to shows he doesn't really know what he's doing anyway.
The plans always seem half arrsed. Getting in a manager like LVG who has a philosophy and is well respected in the game to implement his ideas and then bring in someone after who also believes in the same philosophy makes sense, but it wasn't done properly. It's as if Ed has never actually worked in football and doesn't really know what he's doing. It's why I'm still massively skeptical he will make the right decision with any potential DoF.
The giggs factor was an attempt to hold on to or keep some attachment to the fergie era which was ultimately thrown out the door when Jose was appointed.
Yet we still ended up with one of fergies ex players at the end of it all.
There is absolutely no chance that we make the right appointment in the DOF role, in fact I would be highly surprised if the role Ed is looking to fill is even the same as the DOF at other well run clubs.
We will probably end up promoting one of the gravy train moochers like Quentin Fortune or David May ffs and they'll still have to report to Ed before any decisions are made.
I don't know enough about what has happened, most of it is in house.Though if GN is correct it's a bit of a shambles.
We need a DoF and regular meetings between him, the manager and coaches, the head scout, and whoever authorises purchases. A proper plan which is followed even when the staff change.
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A serious part of the problem is that he has now appointed four managers *in a row* that have all wanted to bring a completely different kind of approach in terms of the kind of football they want to play
I respectfully disagree, he's appointed a trio of managers that play very similar styles of dull and negative football. It's why we've been at the lowest for chance creation and it's why any flair player that steps foot at this club quickly starts to decline.
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Moyes to Van Gaal to Mourinho?
Their styles are not similar in the slightest.
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This.
They employed approaches that were about as far away from each other as you could hope to construct.
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
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Diafol
I think most managers have an idea that could work in theory but it's executing it that's the issue. I get what LVG and Jose were trying to do at times but they just went about it all wrong.
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I agree. If LVG was younger and wasn't planning to retire I'd have been interested to see where he'd have taken us.
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As dull as the football was under lvg my understanding was there was a long term plan involving giggs
Not saying that would have worked out but it was a long term plan
That was all thrown out the window with the appointment of Jose who in contrast to lvg and unsurprisingly never really gave a shizit
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Whose plan was that though?
Given everything LVG said at the time and has said since, and given what followed, that plan looked like his rather than Ed's.
I'm not blaming him for this (quite the opposite, in fact), but LVG shouldn't have been in the position to be formulating that plan. It wasn't his job, and couldn't have been considering who had executive control of ins and outs as pertains to the playing squad.
I actually feel (to varying degrees) at least a little bit sorry for all four of the managers who have served under Ed.
Totally, all of the past 3 managers deserved to be sacked but I still had some sympathy for them in terms of how the club was run and how they had to work under Woodward. I'm sure it's not gonna be any easier for Ole either.
Why dont United go out and get Ten Haag and Van der Sar from Ajax as manager and DoF, seems like a wise thing to do rather than appoint ex players with little or no experience of managing clubs
I was under the impression that giggs was part of the deal when lvg was appointed and the big man was happy to take him on as his number 2 almost serving an apprenticeship as such. There was still an element of a long term plan about it
But fair enough if lvg said it was all him
Even with moyes there appeared to be efforts to have ex fergie players on staff and alongside a 6 year contract the expectation was in sure for a relatively seamless transition. Moyes quickly dismantling everything else fergie had in place probably wasn't in the script. Him being woefully out of his debth definitely wasn't in the script.
Jose was a departure from any long term plan given his history and I wonder how much of his appointment was solely down to Woodward.
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 12 minutes ago
I was under the impression that giggs was part of the deal when lvg was appointed and the big man was happy to take him on as his number 2 almost serving an apprenticeship as such. There was still an element of a long term plan about it
But fair enough if lvg said it was all him
Even with moyes there appeared to be efforts to have ex fergie players on staff and alongside a 6 year contract the expectation was in sure for a relatively seamless transition. Moyes quickly dismantling everything else fergie had in place probably wasn't in the script. Him being woefully out of his debth definitely wasn't in the script.
Jose was a departure from any long term plan given his history and I wonder how much of his appointment was solely down to Woodward.
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To be clear, LVG didn't say retaining Giggs was all his idea, but he has said that he was thinking much longer term about the development of the staff, younger players and squad than Woodward.
Which is easy to believe given who Woodward appointed next.
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comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
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I was under the impression that giggs was part of the deal when lvg was appointed and the big man was happy to take him on as his number 2 almost serving an apprenticeship as such. There was still an element of a long term plan about it
But fair enough if lvg said it was all him
Even with moyes there appeared to be efforts to have ex fergie players on staff and alongside a 6 year contract the expectation was in sure for a relatively seamless transition. Moyes quickly dismantling everything else fergie had in place probably wasn't in the script. Him being woefully out of his debth definitely wasn't in the script.
Jose was a departure from any long term plan given his history and I wonder how much of his appointment was solely down to Woodward.
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To be clear, LVG didn't say retaining Giggs was all his idea, but he has said that he was thinking much longer term about the development of the staff, younger players and squad than Woodward.
Which is easy to believe given who Woodward appointed next.
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Given the mess the club was in at the time it needed a manager of lvgs stature and experience to come in and get it heading in the right direction. That he cared for the club and the fans was never in doubt a stark contrast to who came after him.
He completely understood the utd philosophy regarding the academy and player development and genuinely wanted to put in place the foundations for his successor which im sure he felt was going to be giggs
That he deserved to be sacked given the parameters of cl qualification there's no doubt
That he was bloody unlucky to be sacked after finishing 5th and winning an fa cup there is also no doubt
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I was under the impression that giggs was part of the deal when lvg was appointed and the big man was happy to take him on as his number 2 almost serving an apprenticeship as such. There was still an element of a long term plan about it
But fair enough if lvg said it was all him
Even with moyes there appeared to be efforts to have ex fergie players on staff and alongside a 6 year contract the expectation was in sure for a relatively seamless transition. Moyes quickly dismantling everything else fergie had in place probably wasn't in the script. Him being woefully out of his debth definitely wasn't in the script.
Jose was a departure from any long term plan given his history and I wonder how much of his appointment was solely down to Woodward.
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To be clear, LVG didn't say retaining Giggs was all his idea, but he has said that he was thinking much longer term about the development of the staff, younger players and squad than Woodward.
Which is easy to believe given who Woodward appointed next.
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Given the mess the club was in at the time it needed a manager of lvgs stature and experience to come in and get it heading in the right direction. That he cared for the club and the fans was never in doubt a stark contrast to who came after him.
He completely understood the utd philosophy regarding the academy and player development and genuinely wanted to put in place the foundations for his successor which im sure he felt was going to be giggs
That he deserved to be sacked given the parameters of cl qualification there's no doubt
That he was bloody unlucky to be sacked after finishing 5th and winning an fa cup there is also no doubt
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Yeah, an incredibly rose coloured view of life under LVG - even for your standards
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I was under the impression that giggs was part of the deal when lvg was appointed and the big man was happy to take him on as his number 2 almost serving an apprenticeship as such. There was still an element of a long term plan about it
But fair enough if lvg said it was all him
Even with moyes there appeared to be efforts to have ex fergie players on staff and alongside a 6 year contract the expectation was in sure for a relatively seamless transition. Moyes quickly dismantling everything else fergie had in place probably wasn't in the script. Him being woefully out of his debth definitely wasn't in the script.
Jose was a departure from any long term plan given his history and I wonder how much of his appointment was solely down to Woodward.
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To be clear, LVG didn't say retaining Giggs was all his idea, but he has said that he was thinking much longer term about the development of the staff, younger players and squad than Woodward.
Which is easy to believe given who Woodward appointed next.
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Given the mess the club was in at the time it needed a manager of lvgs stature and experience to come in and get it heading in the right direction. That he cared for the club and the fans was never in doubt a stark contrast to who came after him.
He completely understood the utd philosophy regarding the academy and player development and genuinely wanted to put in place the foundations for his successor which im sure he felt was going to be giggs
That he deserved to be sacked given the parameters of cl qualification there's no doubt
That he was bloody unlucky to be sacked after finishing 5th and winning an fa cup there is also no doubt
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Yeah, an incredibly rose coloured view of life under LVG - even for your standards
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What have I left out and before you answer do yourself a favour and read all my posts
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I was under the impression that giggs was part of the deal when lvg was appointed and the big man was happy to take him on as his number 2 almost serving an apprenticeship as such. There was still an element of a long term plan about it
But fair enough if lvg said it was all him
Even with moyes there appeared to be efforts to have ex fergie players on staff and alongside a 6 year contract the expectation was in sure for a relatively seamless transition. Moyes quickly dismantling everything else fergie had in place probably wasn't in the script. Him being woefully out of his debth definitely wasn't in the script.
Jose was a departure from any long term plan given his history and I wonder how much of his appointment was solely down to Woodward.
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To be clear, LVG didn't say retaining Giggs was all his idea, but he has said that he was thinking much longer term about the development of the staff, younger players and squad than Woodward.
Which is easy to believe given who Woodward appointed next.
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Given the mess the club was in at the time it needed a manager of lvgs stature and experience to come in and get it heading in the right direction. That he cared for the club and the fans was never in doubt a stark contrast to who came after him.
He completely understood the utd philosophy regarding the academy and player development and genuinely wanted to put in place the foundations for his successor which im sure he felt was going to be giggs
That he deserved to be sacked given the parameters of cl qualification there's no doubt
That he was bloody unlucky to be sacked after finishing 5th and winning an fa cup there is also no doubt
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Yeah, an incredibly rose coloured view of life under LVG - even for your standards
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What have I left out and before you answer do yourself a favour and read all my posts
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You make out that he was only sacked for missing out on CL football neglecting to mention that he was being booed by fans for mind numbingly boring football and had gone backwards from an (at times) promising first season.
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I was under the impression that giggs was part of the deal when lvg was appointed and the big man was happy to take him on as his number 2 almost serving an apprenticeship as such. There was still an element of a long term plan about it
But fair enough if lvg said it was all him
Even with moyes there appeared to be efforts to have ex fergie players on staff and alongside a 6 year contract the expectation was in sure for a relatively seamless transition. Moyes quickly dismantling everything else fergie had in place probably wasn't in the script. Him being woefully out of his debth definitely wasn't in the script.
Jose was a departure from any long term plan given his history and I wonder how much of his appointment was solely down to Woodward.
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To be clear, LVG didn't say retaining Giggs was all his idea, but he has said that he was thinking much longer term about the development of the staff, younger players and squad than Woodward.
Which is easy to believe given who Woodward appointed next.
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Given the mess the club was in at the time it needed a manager of lvgs stature and experience to come in and get it heading in the right direction. That he cared for the club and the fans was never in doubt a stark contrast to who came after him.
He completely understood the utd philosophy regarding the academy and player development and genuinely wanted to put in place the foundations for his successor which im sure he felt was going to be giggs
That he deserved to be sacked given the parameters of cl qualification there's no doubt
That he was bloody unlucky to be sacked after finishing 5th and winning an fa cup there is also no doubt
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Yeah, an incredibly rose coloured view of life under LVG - even for your standards
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What have I left out and before you answer do yourself a favour and read all my posts
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You make out that he was only sacked for missing out on CL football neglecting to mention that he was being booed by fans for mind numbingly boring football and had gone backwards from an (at times) promising first season.
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He was sacked for finishing outside top 4
And I did reference his dull football
Your answer to lvgs dull football really worked out. He was as bad if not worse than lvg and considering the players at his disposal I would say worse
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I was under the impression that giggs was part of the deal when lvg was appointed and the big man was happy to take him on as his number 2 almost serving an apprenticeship as such. There was still an element of a long term plan about it
But fair enough if lvg said it was all him
Even with moyes there appeared to be efforts to have ex fergie players on staff and alongside a 6 year contract the expectation was in sure for a relatively seamless transition. Moyes quickly dismantling everything else fergie had in place probably wasn't in the script. Him being woefully out of his debth definitely wasn't in the script.
Jose was a departure from any long term plan given his history and I wonder how much of his appointment was solely down to Woodward.
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To be clear, LVG didn't say retaining Giggs was all his idea, but he has said that he was thinking much longer term about the development of the staff, younger players and squad than Woodward.
Which is easy to believe given who Woodward appointed next.
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Given the mess the club was in at the time it needed a manager of lvgs stature and experience to come in and get it heading in the right direction. That he cared for the club and the fans was never in doubt a stark contrast to who came after him.
He completely understood the utd philosophy regarding the academy and player development and genuinely wanted to put in place the foundations for his successor which im sure he felt was going to be giggs
That he deserved to be sacked given the parameters of cl qualification there's no doubt
That he was bloody unlucky to be sacked after finishing 5th and winning an fa cup there is also no doubt
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Yeah, an incredibly rose coloured view of life under LVG - even for your standards
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What have I left out and before you answer do yourself a favour and read all my posts
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You make out that he was only sacked for missing out on CL football neglecting to mention that he was being booed by fans for mind numbingly boring football and had gone backwards from an (at times) promising first season.
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He was sacked for finishing outside top 4
And I did reference his dull football
Your answer to lvgs dull football really worked out. He was as bad if not worse than lvg and considering the players at his disposal I would say worse
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Nah, LVgs was worse - the man in the OP, Gary Neville said the same in his rant.
It’s not even about Jose anyway - we all agree he should have been sacked. But to say that LVG was unlucky is ridiculous. If anything he was lucky to stay as long as he did after that disastrous December of 2015.
Jose's football was so bad he was telling our American based fans to stay away during last summer's pre season tour
The cant should have been sacked there and then
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Jose's football was so bad he was telling our American based fans to stay away during last summer's pre season tour
The cant should have been sacked there and then
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He was saying that the fans should not pay such high prices to watch reserve players and the organisers didn’t exactly disagree
Unless you’re happy with US fans being asked to pay extortionate prices to see the reserves?
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Jose's football was so bad he was telling our American based fans to stay away during last summer's pre season tour
The cant should have been sacked there and then
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He was saying that the fans should not pay such high prices to watch reserve players and the organisers didn’t exactly disagree
Unless you’re happy with US fans being asked to pay extortionate prices to see the reserves?
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Master motivator was Jose
What a vote of confidence to hear from your manager
Regarding that comment, Charlie Stillitano, executive chairman of the ICC’s organisers Relevent Sports, told ESPN: “I understand his point.
“He wants even his players who have personal commitments to be here. And I read into that he wants the best for the fans and the best for us and of course the best for him. He wants his full team.
“There are challenges in a World Cup year. It gets later and later, the season seem to get earlier and earlier and it’s really a challenge for everyone. I think he was just voicing that frustration.
“We are looking at changing the format next year, but it’s a bit cyclical anyway. We might tweak the format, but it’s not a World Cup year, everyone is excited to come and I don’t think we will have anything near the same problem.”
He was looking for the sack from last summer onwards
Ed should have accommodated him before the season started
We wouldn't have had to witness some of the spineless, dull affairs he served up and that our players couldn't shake off looking at these last couple of months
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posted on 7/5/19
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 3 minutes ago
Diafol
I think most managers have an idea that could work in theory but it's executing it that's the issue. I get what LVG and Jose were trying to do at times but they just went about it all wrong.
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I agree. If LVG was younger and wasn't planning to retire I'd have been interested to see where he'd have taken us.
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As dull as the football was under lvg my understanding was there was a long term plan involving giggs
Not saying that would have worked out but it was a long term plan
That was all thrown out the window with the appointment of Jose who in contrast to lvg and unsurprisingly never really gave a shizit
posted on 7/5/19
But firstly that was a huge risk considering Giggs had never shown anything to suggest he could take over, or that he necessarily wanted to play in the same way as LVG. Secondly the fact Woodward didn't even bother to follow through with his own idea seems to shows he doesn't really know what he's doing anyway.
The plans always seem half arrsed. Getting in a manager like LVG who has a philosophy and is well respected in the game to implement his ideas and then bring in someone after who also believes in the same philosophy makes sense, but it wasn't done properly. It's as if Ed has never actually worked in football and doesn't really know what he's doing. It's why I'm still massively skeptical he will make the right decision with any potential DoF.
posted on 7/5/19
The giggs factor was an attempt to hold on to or keep some attachment to the fergie era which was ultimately thrown out the door when Jose was appointed.
Yet we still ended up with one of fergies ex players at the end of it all.
posted on 7/5/19
There is absolutely no chance that we make the right appointment in the DOF role, in fact I would be highly surprised if the role Ed is looking to fill is even the same as the DOF at other well run clubs.
We will probably end up promoting one of the gravy train moochers like Quentin Fortune or David May ffs and they'll still have to report to Ed before any decisions are made.
posted on 7/5/19
I don't know enough about what has happened, most of it is in house.Though if GN is correct it's a bit of a shambles.
We need a DoF and regular meetings between him, the manager and coaches, the head scout, and whoever authorises purchases. A proper plan which is followed even when the staff change.
posted on 7/5/19
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comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
A serious part of the problem is that he has now appointed four managers *in a row* that have all wanted to bring a completely different kind of approach in terms of the kind of football they want to play
I respectfully disagree, he's appointed a trio of managers that play very similar styles of dull and negative football. It's why we've been at the lowest for chance creation and it's why any flair player that steps foot at this club quickly starts to decline.
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Moyes to Van Gaal to Mourinho?
Their styles are not similar in the slightest.
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This.
They employed approaches that were about as far away from each other as you could hope to construct.
posted on 7/5/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
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Diafol
I think most managers have an idea that could work in theory but it's executing it that's the issue. I get what LVG and Jose were trying to do at times but they just went about it all wrong.
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I agree. If LVG was younger and wasn't planning to retire I'd have been interested to see where he'd have taken us.
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As dull as the football was under lvg my understanding was there was a long term plan involving giggs
Not saying that would have worked out but it was a long term plan
That was all thrown out the window with the appointment of Jose who in contrast to lvg and unsurprisingly never really gave a shizit
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Whose plan was that though?
Given everything LVG said at the time and has said since, and given what followed, that plan looked like his rather than Ed's.
I'm not blaming him for this (quite the opposite, in fact), but LVG shouldn't have been in the position to be formulating that plan. It wasn't his job, and couldn't have been considering who had executive control of ins and outs as pertains to the playing squad.
I actually feel (to varying degrees) at least a little bit sorry for all four of the managers who have served under Ed.
posted on 7/5/19
Totally, all of the past 3 managers deserved to be sacked but I still had some sympathy for them in terms of how the club was run and how they had to work under Woodward. I'm sure it's not gonna be any easier for Ole either.
posted on 7/5/19
Why dont United go out and get Ten Haag and Van der Sar from Ajax as manager and DoF, seems like a wise thing to do rather than appoint ex players with little or no experience of managing clubs
posted on 7/5/19
I was under the impression that giggs was part of the deal when lvg was appointed and the big man was happy to take him on as his number 2 almost serving an apprenticeship as such. There was still an element of a long term plan about it
But fair enough if lvg said it was all him
Even with moyes there appeared to be efforts to have ex fergie players on staff and alongside a 6 year contract the expectation was in sure for a relatively seamless transition. Moyes quickly dismantling everything else fergie had in place probably wasn't in the script. Him being woefully out of his debth definitely wasn't in the script.
Jose was a departure from any long term plan given his history and I wonder how much of his appointment was solely down to Woodward.
posted on 7/5/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 12 minutes ago
I was under the impression that giggs was part of the deal when lvg was appointed and the big man was happy to take him on as his number 2 almost serving an apprenticeship as such. There was still an element of a long term plan about it
But fair enough if lvg said it was all him
Even with moyes there appeared to be efforts to have ex fergie players on staff and alongside a 6 year contract the expectation was in sure for a relatively seamless transition. Moyes quickly dismantling everything else fergie had in place probably wasn't in the script. Him being woefully out of his debth definitely wasn't in the script.
Jose was a departure from any long term plan given his history and I wonder how much of his appointment was solely down to Woodward.
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To be clear, LVG didn't say retaining Giggs was all his idea, but he has said that he was thinking much longer term about the development of the staff, younger players and squad than Woodward.
Which is easy to believe given who Woodward appointed next.
posted on 7/5/19
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comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 12 minutes ago
I was under the impression that giggs was part of the deal when lvg was appointed and the big man was happy to take him on as his number 2 almost serving an apprenticeship as such. There was still an element of a long term plan about it
But fair enough if lvg said it was all him
Even with moyes there appeared to be efforts to have ex fergie players on staff and alongside a 6 year contract the expectation was in sure for a relatively seamless transition. Moyes quickly dismantling everything else fergie had in place probably wasn't in the script. Him being woefully out of his debth definitely wasn't in the script.
Jose was a departure from any long term plan given his history and I wonder how much of his appointment was solely down to Woodward.
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To be clear, LVG didn't say retaining Giggs was all his idea, but he has said that he was thinking much longer term about the development of the staff, younger players and squad than Woodward.
Which is easy to believe given who Woodward appointed next.
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Given the mess the club was in at the time it needed a manager of lvgs stature and experience to come in and get it heading in the right direction. That he cared for the club and the fans was never in doubt a stark contrast to who came after him.
He completely understood the utd philosophy regarding the academy and player development and genuinely wanted to put in place the foundations for his successor which im sure he felt was going to be giggs
That he deserved to be sacked given the parameters of cl qualification there's no doubt
That he was bloody unlucky to be sacked after finishing 5th and winning an fa cup there is also no doubt
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comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
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I was under the impression that giggs was part of the deal when lvg was appointed and the big man was happy to take him on as his number 2 almost serving an apprenticeship as such. There was still an element of a long term plan about it
But fair enough if lvg said it was all him
Even with moyes there appeared to be efforts to have ex fergie players on staff and alongside a 6 year contract the expectation was in sure for a relatively seamless transition. Moyes quickly dismantling everything else fergie had in place probably wasn't in the script. Him being woefully out of his debth definitely wasn't in the script.
Jose was a departure from any long term plan given his history and I wonder how much of his appointment was solely down to Woodward.
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To be clear, LVG didn't say retaining Giggs was all his idea, but he has said that he was thinking much longer term about the development of the staff, younger players and squad than Woodward.
Which is easy to believe given who Woodward appointed next.
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Given the mess the club was in at the time it needed a manager of lvgs stature and experience to come in and get it heading in the right direction. That he cared for the club and the fans was never in doubt a stark contrast to who came after him.
He completely understood the utd philosophy regarding the academy and player development and genuinely wanted to put in place the foundations for his successor which im sure he felt was going to be giggs
That he deserved to be sacked given the parameters of cl qualification there's no doubt
That he was bloody unlucky to be sacked after finishing 5th and winning an fa cup there is also no doubt
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Yeah, an incredibly rose coloured view of life under LVG - even for your standards
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I was under the impression that giggs was part of the deal when lvg was appointed and the big man was happy to take him on as his number 2 almost serving an apprenticeship as such. There was still an element of a long term plan about it
But fair enough if lvg said it was all him
Even with moyes there appeared to be efforts to have ex fergie players on staff and alongside a 6 year contract the expectation was in sure for a relatively seamless transition. Moyes quickly dismantling everything else fergie had in place probably wasn't in the script. Him being woefully out of his debth definitely wasn't in the script.
Jose was a departure from any long term plan given his history and I wonder how much of his appointment was solely down to Woodward.
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To be clear, LVG didn't say retaining Giggs was all his idea, but he has said that he was thinking much longer term about the development of the staff, younger players and squad than Woodward.
Which is easy to believe given who Woodward appointed next.
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Given the mess the club was in at the time it needed a manager of lvgs stature and experience to come in and get it heading in the right direction. That he cared for the club and the fans was never in doubt a stark contrast to who came after him.
He completely understood the utd philosophy regarding the academy and player development and genuinely wanted to put in place the foundations for his successor which im sure he felt was going to be giggs
That he deserved to be sacked given the parameters of cl qualification there's no doubt
That he was bloody unlucky to be sacked after finishing 5th and winning an fa cup there is also no doubt
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Yeah, an incredibly rose coloured view of life under LVG - even for your standards
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What have I left out and before you answer do yourself a favour and read all my posts
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I was under the impression that giggs was part of the deal when lvg was appointed and the big man was happy to take him on as his number 2 almost serving an apprenticeship as such. There was still an element of a long term plan about it
But fair enough if lvg said it was all him
Even with moyes there appeared to be efforts to have ex fergie players on staff and alongside a 6 year contract the expectation was in sure for a relatively seamless transition. Moyes quickly dismantling everything else fergie had in place probably wasn't in the script. Him being woefully out of his debth definitely wasn't in the script.
Jose was a departure from any long term plan given his history and I wonder how much of his appointment was solely down to Woodward.
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To be clear, LVG didn't say retaining Giggs was all his idea, but he has said that he was thinking much longer term about the development of the staff, younger players and squad than Woodward.
Which is easy to believe given who Woodward appointed next.
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Given the mess the club was in at the time it needed a manager of lvgs stature and experience to come in and get it heading in the right direction. That he cared for the club and the fans was never in doubt a stark contrast to who came after him.
He completely understood the utd philosophy regarding the academy and player development and genuinely wanted to put in place the foundations for his successor which im sure he felt was going to be giggs
That he deserved to be sacked given the parameters of cl qualification there's no doubt
That he was bloody unlucky to be sacked after finishing 5th and winning an fa cup there is also no doubt
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Yeah, an incredibly rose coloured view of life under LVG - even for your standards
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What have I left out and before you answer do yourself a favour and read all my posts
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You make out that he was only sacked for missing out on CL football neglecting to mention that he was being booed by fans for mind numbingly boring football and had gone backwards from an (at times) promising first season.
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comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 12 minutes ago
I was under the impression that giggs was part of the deal when lvg was appointed and the big man was happy to take him on as his number 2 almost serving an apprenticeship as such. There was still an element of a long term plan about it
But fair enough if lvg said it was all him
Even with moyes there appeared to be efforts to have ex fergie players on staff and alongside a 6 year contract the expectation was in sure for a relatively seamless transition. Moyes quickly dismantling everything else fergie had in place probably wasn't in the script. Him being woefully out of his debth definitely wasn't in the script.
Jose was a departure from any long term plan given his history and I wonder how much of his appointment was solely down to Woodward.
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To be clear, LVG didn't say retaining Giggs was all his idea, but he has said that he was thinking much longer term about the development of the staff, younger players and squad than Woodward.
Which is easy to believe given who Woodward appointed next.
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Given the mess the club was in at the time it needed a manager of lvgs stature and experience to come in and get it heading in the right direction. That he cared for the club and the fans was never in doubt a stark contrast to who came after him.
He completely understood the utd philosophy regarding the academy and player development and genuinely wanted to put in place the foundations for his successor which im sure he felt was going to be giggs
That he deserved to be sacked given the parameters of cl qualification there's no doubt
That he was bloody unlucky to be sacked after finishing 5th and winning an fa cup there is also no doubt
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Yeah, an incredibly rose coloured view of life under LVG - even for your standards
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What have I left out and before you answer do yourself a favour and read all my posts
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You make out that he was only sacked for missing out on CL football neglecting to mention that he was being booed by fans for mind numbingly boring football and had gone backwards from an (at times) promising first season.
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He was sacked for finishing outside top 4
And I did reference his dull football
Your answer to lvgs dull football really worked out. He was as bad if not worse than lvg and considering the players at his disposal I would say worse
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comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
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comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
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comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
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comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 12 minutes ago
I was under the impression that giggs was part of the deal when lvg was appointed and the big man was happy to take him on as his number 2 almost serving an apprenticeship as such. There was still an element of a long term plan about it
But fair enough if lvg said it was all him
Even with moyes there appeared to be efforts to have ex fergie players on staff and alongside a 6 year contract the expectation was in sure for a relatively seamless transition. Moyes quickly dismantling everything else fergie had in place probably wasn't in the script. Him being woefully out of his debth definitely wasn't in the script.
Jose was a departure from any long term plan given his history and I wonder how much of his appointment was solely down to Woodward.
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To be clear, LVG didn't say retaining Giggs was all his idea, but he has said that he was thinking much longer term about the development of the staff, younger players and squad than Woodward.
Which is easy to believe given who Woodward appointed next.
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Given the mess the club was in at the time it needed a manager of lvgs stature and experience to come in and get it heading in the right direction. That he cared for the club and the fans was never in doubt a stark contrast to who came after him.
He completely understood the utd philosophy regarding the academy and player development and genuinely wanted to put in place the foundations for his successor which im sure he felt was going to be giggs
That he deserved to be sacked given the parameters of cl qualification there's no doubt
That he was bloody unlucky to be sacked after finishing 5th and winning an fa cup there is also no doubt
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Yeah, an incredibly rose coloured view of life under LVG - even for your standards
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What have I left out and before you answer do yourself a favour and read all my posts
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You make out that he was only sacked for missing out on CL football neglecting to mention that he was being booed by fans for mind numbingly boring football and had gone backwards from an (at times) promising first season.
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He was sacked for finishing outside top 4
And I did reference his dull football
Your answer to lvgs dull football really worked out. He was as bad if not worse than lvg and considering the players at his disposal I would say worse
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Nah, LVgs was worse - the man in the OP, Gary Neville said the same in his rant.
It’s not even about Jose anyway - we all agree he should have been sacked. But to say that LVG was unlucky is ridiculous. If anything he was lucky to stay as long as he did after that disastrous December of 2015.
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Jose's football was so bad he was telling our American based fans to stay away during last summer's pre season tour
The cant should have been sacked there and then
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Jose's football was so bad he was telling our American based fans to stay away during last summer's pre season tour
The cant should have been sacked there and then
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He was saying that the fans should not pay such high prices to watch reserve players and the organisers didn’t exactly disagree
Unless you’re happy with US fans being asked to pay extortionate prices to see the reserves?
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comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
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Jose's football was so bad he was telling our American based fans to stay away during last summer's pre season tour
The cant should have been sacked there and then
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He was saying that the fans should not pay such high prices to watch reserve players and the organisers didn’t exactly disagree
Unless you’re happy with US fans being asked to pay extortionate prices to see the reserves?
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Master motivator was Jose
What a vote of confidence to hear from your manager
posted on 7/5/19
Regarding that comment, Charlie Stillitano, executive chairman of the ICC’s organisers Relevent Sports, told ESPN: “I understand his point.
“He wants even his players who have personal commitments to be here. And I read into that he wants the best for the fans and the best for us and of course the best for him. He wants his full team.
“There are challenges in a World Cup year. It gets later and later, the season seem to get earlier and earlier and it’s really a challenge for everyone. I think he was just voicing that frustration.
“We are looking at changing the format next year, but it’s a bit cyclical anyway. We might tweak the format, but it’s not a World Cup year, everyone is excited to come and I don’t think we will have anything near the same problem.”
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He was looking for the sack from last summer onwards
Ed should have accommodated him before the season started
We wouldn't have had to witness some of the spineless, dull affairs he served up and that our players couldn't shake off looking at these last couple of months
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