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comment by definitely not hippo (U1301)
posted 13 minutes ago
it is absolutely insane that jose wanted a cb and woodward told him no.
can not happen. it's awful. ruined everything.
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To be fair he wanted to pay like 70 million for McGuire
comment by definitely not hippo (U1301)
posted 13 minutes ago
it is absolutely insane that jose wanted a cb and woodward told him no.
can not happen. it's awful. ruined everything.
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He had already signed 2 that he didn't think were good enough. Looking at how poor Jose's signings have been, I don't blame Ed for not trusting him.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by definitely not hippo (U1301)
posted 13 minutes ago
it is absolutely insane that jose wanted a cb and woodward told him no.
can not happen. it's awful. ruined everything.
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He had already signed 2 that he didn't think were good enough. Looking at how poor Jose's signings have been, I don't blame Ed for not trusting him.
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Look at some of Peps signings that failed, he was able to go and replace them without hesitation!!
It's about the team around the manager, how they work together with a common goal. But the manager must have final say.
Robertson is a great example of this for us, he was identified by the team not Klopp, they had to convince Klopp to go for it and he trusted their judgement.
A modern manager cant do it all themselves.
Look at some of Peps signings that failed, he was able to go and replace them without hesitation!!
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Are there many? I can't think of one off the top of my head. I am not trying that hard mind.
comment by RedDevil7 - AND SOLSKJAER HAS WON IT (U5029)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by definitely not hippo (U1301)
posted 13 minutes ago
it is absolutely insane that jose wanted a cb and woodward told him no.
can not happen. it's awful. ruined everything.
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He had already signed 2 that he didn't think were good enough. Looking at how poor Jose's signings have been, I don't blame Ed for not trusting him.
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Look at some of Peps signings that failed, he was able to go and replace them without hesitation!!
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City are the play thing of a rich man that is prepared to pay whatever it takes. United are run as a business and Ed has to answer to the owners. We are something like £400m in debt I believe? After a manager has just spent circa £58m on 2 CBs, that he doesn't think are good enough, why would the man holding the purse strings trust him with any more money?
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by definitely not hippo (U1301)
posted 13 minutes ago
it is absolutely insane that jose wanted a cb and woodward told him no.
can not happen. it's awful. ruined everything.
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To be fair he wanted to pay like 70 million for McGuire
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watch them do that anyway
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RedDevil7 - AND SOLSKJAER HAS WON IT (U5029)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by definitely not hippo (U1301)
posted 13 minutes ago
it is absolutely insane that jose wanted a cb and woodward told him no.
can not happen. it's awful. ruined everything.
--------------
He had already signed 2 that he didn't think were good enough. Looking at how poor Jose's signings have been, I don't blame Ed for not trusting him.
----
Look at some of Peps signings that failed, he was able to go and replace them without hesitation!!
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City are the play thing of a rich man that is prepared to pay whatever it takes. United are run as a business and Ed has to answer to the owners. We are something like £400m in debt I believe? After a manager has just spent circa £58m on 2 CBs, that he doesn't think are good enough, why would the man holding the purse strings trust him with any more money?
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If you don’t trust your coach’s judgement why give him a new contract? Ed’s a facking mug.
If Eds gut instinct is to give someone a new contract, then he really needs to ignore his gut.
There can't be many contracts Ed has negotiated that have been good for United.
I see revisionism starting to take root.
Jose, sadly, was showing all the signs of an implosion long before that McGuire talk. We were right not to sign yet another pricey, high wage player for the few months Jose would be at the club.
Stop flailing around trying to find a single entity to blame.
Ed was right not to back him because it got him out of the club. For that I’m grateful. But let’s not pretend the whole situation hasn’t shown up his incompetence. What kind of idiot thinks giving Jose a new contract, then not backing him in the market ahead of his infamous third season, is a good idea?
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
Ed was right not to back him because it got him out of the club. For that I’m grateful. But let’s not pretend the whole situation hasn’t shown up his incompetence. What kind of idiot thinks giving Jose a new contract, then not backing him in the market ahead of his infamous third season, is a good idea?
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Essentially this. Woodward may well have been correct in his assessment that we didn't need to go and sign CBs. To a large extent I agree with him (I'm not saying that part of the pitch can't be improved upon, but strengthening other parts of the team would help the defence out greatly).
But aside from the fact that you can't give a manager a new contract and then not support him in the market, the fact that Woodward is having a hand in this process at all is what is ridiculous. A dedicated footballing structure built around a particular style and brand of football mitigates this sort of fractured interference.
A DoF and his staff should be bringing potential signings to the manager and making decisions between themselves. Woodward should have no part in this process save for the putting a signature on a cheque. I sympathise because for decades all of this was somewhat redundant through the unique circumstances of Fergie/Gill. Woodward had tried to do things much the same way as I can tell, but the fact it's taken this long to realise we need to modernise is ridiculous.
I really can't understand what is taking so long to do the obvious. I know we're apparently sounding out DoF candidates, which is progress at least, but it seems painfully slow.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by RedDevil7 - AND SOLSKJAER HAS WON IT (U5029)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by definitely not hippo (U1301)
posted 13 minutes ago
it is absolutely insane that jose wanted a cb and woodward told him no.
can not happen. it's awful. ruined everything.
--------------
He had already signed 2 that he didn't think were good enough. Looking at how poor Jose's signings have been, I don't blame Ed for not trusting him.
----
Look at some of Peps signings that failed, he was able to go and replace them without hesitation!!
-------------------------
City are the play thing of a rich man that is prepared to pay whatever it takes. United are run as a business and Ed has to answer to the owners. We are something like £400m in debt I believe? After a manager has just spent circa £58m on 2 CBs, that he doesn't think are good enough, why would the man holding the purse strings trust him with any more money?
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I take the point, but in the most recent derby there was only £20m between the two squads that played. It’s more where you invest the money, you really don’t have a problem of not having it.
Jose did his usual and made his own bed. While there can be excuses such as the new contract and not backing him, there is no excuse in sabotaging the team to make a point (i.e. Playing McTominay as a CB).
What we do need is someone to take over the running of the footballing side of things from Ed. There are now rumours that Ole wants rid of Pogba due to laziness in his play but Ed doesn't due to his social media profile and marketability. Now, it's hard to gage how much one can read into such reports, but if that is the case, Ed is the wrong man for the job (which, even if this isn't, he has shown to be the wrong man for a while).
BK
I feel sorry for Ole. He’s a brave man taking this on with such an inept footballing structure behind the scenes.
I said when we sacked Mourinho that our problems go far beyond the need for just having an attacking coach. The squad has massive issues and the men at the top have inhibited every single coach we’ve appointed since Fergie retired. At least people are starting to realise. Hopefully someone at the club does as well.
Melton,
I would be interesting to see what chunk of those squad values were signings made in the last say, 4 years.
DDG & Smalling off the top of my head were purchases by SAF. This is one part of the problem; we've a squad assembled across 4 different managers.
Like you say, the amount of money spent is almost redundant at this point. It's where and how it's been spent. It's a complete shambles.
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
BK
I feel sorry for Ole. He’s a brave man taking this on with such an inept footballing structure behind the scenes.
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To be fair, Ole is probably one of the few people who can take on this job and keep his reputation intact in the eyes of the fans. No one is going to throw Ole under the bus or think less of him. Given the circumstances and multitude of issues at the club, I think he's done very well so far.
In a way it's a bit of a free shot for him. The structural issues are now out in the open and being widely recognised and discussed. His performance as manager will always be caveated with the shambles behind him. Until the footballing structures are rectified, I don't think we can truly judge any manager properly.
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 44 minutes ago
Ed was right not to back him because it got him out of the club
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Ed was right not to back him because he had already shown that he wanted out of the club. The noises he was making whilst in the USA made it pretty clear that an implosion was incoming.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by RedDevil7 - AND SOLSKJAER HAS WON IT (U5029)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by definitely not hippo (U1301)
posted 13 minutes ago
it is absolutely insane that jose wanted a cb and woodward told him no.
can not happen. it's awful. ruined everything.
--------------
He had already signed 2 that he didn't think were good enough. Looking at how poor Jose's signings have been, I don't blame Ed for not trusting him.
----
Look at some of Peps signings that failed, he was able to go and replace them without hesitation!!
-------------------------
City are the play thing of a rich man that is prepared to pay whatever it takes. United are run as a business and Ed has to answer to the owners. We are something like £400m in debt I believe? After a manager has just spent circa £58m on 2 CBs, that he doesn't think are good enough, why would the man holding the purse strings trust him with any more money?
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I take the point, but in the most recent derby there was only £20m between the two squads that played. It’s more where you invest the money, you really don’t have a problem of not having it.
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I'm not saying that we are skint and we have certainly wasted lots of money. However, when Jose has already been backed to sign 2 CBs and neither of them can hold down a regular starting spot, you can't blame Ed for not wanting to keep on spending money on the same position, when we have other areas of the team that also need addressing.
Elvis
Yeah but I don't think that's the point. If you give a manager a new contract earlier in the year and then only a few months later don't back him then you're clearly going to cause problems and it shows that you're indecisive. I think most agree it was wise not to get in the players Jose wanted but as soon as Woodward chose not to he really should have sacked Jose. Did Woodward really think things would be fine doing what he did to Jose leading up to his 3rd season at the club?
And yet Ed saw to it that he was given until December. Whatever way you spin it he’s the diiiickhead that has put us in this mess.
BK, yeah I get that. I just feel sorry for him because he won’t get the support needed for his dream job to be a success, in my opinion.
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posted on 8/5/19
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posted on 8/5/19
comment by definitely not hippo (U1301)
posted 13 minutes ago
it is absolutely insane that jose wanted a cb and woodward told him no.
can not happen. it's awful. ruined everything.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair he wanted to pay like 70 million for McGuire
posted on 8/5/19
comment by definitely not hippo (U1301)
posted 13 minutes ago
it is absolutely insane that jose wanted a cb and woodward told him no.
can not happen. it's awful. ruined everything.
--------------
He had already signed 2 that he didn't think were good enough. Looking at how poor Jose's signings have been, I don't blame Ed for not trusting him.
posted on 8/5/19
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posted on 8/5/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by definitely not hippo (U1301)
posted 13 minutes ago
it is absolutely insane that jose wanted a cb and woodward told him no.
can not happen. it's awful. ruined everything.
--------------
He had already signed 2 that he didn't think were good enough. Looking at how poor Jose's signings have been, I don't blame Ed for not trusting him.
----
Look at some of Peps signings that failed, he was able to go and replace them without hesitation!!
posted on 8/5/19
It's about the team around the manager, how they work together with a common goal. But the manager must have final say.
Robertson is a great example of this for us, he was identified by the team not Klopp, they had to convince Klopp to go for it and he trusted their judgement.
A modern manager cant do it all themselves.
posted on 8/5/19
Look at some of Peps signings that failed, he was able to go and replace them without hesitation!!
..
Are there many? I can't think of one off the top of my head. I am not trying that hard mind.
posted on 8/5/19
comment by RedDevil7 - AND SOLSKJAER HAS WON IT (U5029)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by definitely not hippo (U1301)
posted 13 minutes ago
it is absolutely insane that jose wanted a cb and woodward told him no.
can not happen. it's awful. ruined everything.
--------------
He had already signed 2 that he didn't think were good enough. Looking at how poor Jose's signings have been, I don't blame Ed for not trusting him.
----
Look at some of Peps signings that failed, he was able to go and replace them without hesitation!!
-------------------------
City are the play thing of a rich man that is prepared to pay whatever it takes. United are run as a business and Ed has to answer to the owners. We are something like £400m in debt I believe? After a manager has just spent circa £58m on 2 CBs, that he doesn't think are good enough, why would the man holding the purse strings trust him with any more money?
posted on 8/5/19
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posted on 8/5/19
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by definitely not hippo (U1301)
posted 13 minutes ago
it is absolutely insane that jose wanted a cb and woodward told him no.
can not happen. it's awful. ruined everything.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair he wanted to pay like 70 million for McGuire
----------------------------------------------------------------------
watch them do that anyway
posted on 8/5/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RedDevil7 - AND SOLSKJAER HAS WON IT (U5029)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by definitely not hippo (U1301)
posted 13 minutes ago
it is absolutely insane that jose wanted a cb and woodward told him no.
can not happen. it's awful. ruined everything.
--------------
He had already signed 2 that he didn't think were good enough. Looking at how poor Jose's signings have been, I don't blame Ed for not trusting him.
----
Look at some of Peps signings that failed, he was able to go and replace them without hesitation!!
-------------------------
City are the play thing of a rich man that is prepared to pay whatever it takes. United are run as a business and Ed has to answer to the owners. We are something like £400m in debt I believe? After a manager has just spent circa £58m on 2 CBs, that he doesn't think are good enough, why would the man holding the purse strings trust him with any more money?
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If you don’t trust your coach’s judgement why give him a new contract? Ed’s a facking mug.
posted on 8/5/19
If Eds gut instinct is to give someone a new contract, then he really needs to ignore his gut.
There can't be many contracts Ed has negotiated that have been good for United.
posted on 8/5/19
I see revisionism starting to take root.
Jose, sadly, was showing all the signs of an implosion long before that McGuire talk. We were right not to sign yet another pricey, high wage player for the few months Jose would be at the club.
Stop flailing around trying to find a single entity to blame.
posted on 8/5/19
Ed was right not to back him because it got him out of the club. For that I’m grateful. But let’s not pretend the whole situation hasn’t shown up his incompetence. What kind of idiot thinks giving Jose a new contract, then not backing him in the market ahead of his infamous third season, is a good idea?
posted on 8/5/19
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
Ed was right not to back him because it got him out of the club. For that I’m grateful. But let’s not pretend the whole situation hasn’t shown up his incompetence. What kind of idiot thinks giving Jose a new contract, then not backing him in the market ahead of his infamous third season, is a good idea?
===================
Essentially this. Woodward may well have been correct in his assessment that we didn't need to go and sign CBs. To a large extent I agree with him (I'm not saying that part of the pitch can't be improved upon, but strengthening other parts of the team would help the defence out greatly).
But aside from the fact that you can't give a manager a new contract and then not support him in the market, the fact that Woodward is having a hand in this process at all is what is ridiculous. A dedicated footballing structure built around a particular style and brand of football mitigates this sort of fractured interference.
A DoF and his staff should be bringing potential signings to the manager and making decisions between themselves. Woodward should have no part in this process save for the putting a signature on a cheque. I sympathise because for decades all of this was somewhat redundant through the unique circumstances of Fergie/Gill. Woodward had tried to do things much the same way as I can tell, but the fact it's taken this long to realise we need to modernise is ridiculous.
I really can't understand what is taking so long to do the obvious. I know we're apparently sounding out DoF candidates, which is progress at least, but it seems painfully slow.
posted on 8/5/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by RedDevil7 - AND SOLSKJAER HAS WON IT (U5029)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by definitely not hippo (U1301)
posted 13 minutes ago
it is absolutely insane that jose wanted a cb and woodward told him no.
can not happen. it's awful. ruined everything.
--------------
He had already signed 2 that he didn't think were good enough. Looking at how poor Jose's signings have been, I don't blame Ed for not trusting him.
----
Look at some of Peps signings that failed, he was able to go and replace them without hesitation!!
-------------------------
City are the play thing of a rich man that is prepared to pay whatever it takes. United are run as a business and Ed has to answer to the owners. We are something like £400m in debt I believe? After a manager has just spent circa £58m on 2 CBs, that he doesn't think are good enough, why would the man holding the purse strings trust him with any more money?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I take the point, but in the most recent derby there was only £20m between the two squads that played. It’s more where you invest the money, you really don’t have a problem of not having it.
posted on 8/5/19
Jose did his usual and made his own bed. While there can be excuses such as the new contract and not backing him, there is no excuse in sabotaging the team to make a point (i.e. Playing McTominay as a CB).
What we do need is someone to take over the running of the footballing side of things from Ed. There are now rumours that Ole wants rid of Pogba due to laziness in his play but Ed doesn't due to his social media profile and marketability. Now, it's hard to gage how much one can read into such reports, but if that is the case, Ed is the wrong man for the job (which, even if this isn't, he has shown to be the wrong man for a while).
posted on 8/5/19
BK
I feel sorry for Ole. He’s a brave man taking this on with such an inept footballing structure behind the scenes.
I said when we sacked Mourinho that our problems go far beyond the need for just having an attacking coach. The squad has massive issues and the men at the top have inhibited every single coach we’ve appointed since Fergie retired. At least people are starting to realise. Hopefully someone at the club does as well.
posted on 8/5/19
Melton,
I would be interesting to see what chunk of those squad values were signings made in the last say, 4 years.
DDG & Smalling off the top of my head were purchases by SAF. This is one part of the problem; we've a squad assembled across 4 different managers.
Like you say, the amount of money spent is almost redundant at this point. It's where and how it's been spent. It's a complete shambles.
posted on 8/5/19
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
BK
I feel sorry for Ole. He’s a brave man taking this on with such an inept footballing structure behind the scenes.
==========
To be fair, Ole is probably one of the few people who can take on this job and keep his reputation intact in the eyes of the fans. No one is going to throw Ole under the bus or think less of him. Given the circumstances and multitude of issues at the club, I think he's done very well so far.
In a way it's a bit of a free shot for him. The structural issues are now out in the open and being widely recognised and discussed. His performance as manager will always be caveated with the shambles behind him. Until the footballing structures are rectified, I don't think we can truly judge any manager properly.
posted on 8/5/19
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 44 minutes ago
Ed was right not to back him because it got him out of the club
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Ed was right not to back him because he had already shown that he wanted out of the club. The noises he was making whilst in the USA made it pretty clear that an implosion was incoming.
posted on 8/5/19
Berba
Agreed
posted on 8/5/19
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by RedDevil7 - AND SOLSKJAER HAS WON IT (U5029)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by definitely not hippo (U1301)
posted 13 minutes ago
it is absolutely insane that jose wanted a cb and woodward told him no.
can not happen. it's awful. ruined everything.
--------------
He had already signed 2 that he didn't think were good enough. Looking at how poor Jose's signings have been, I don't blame Ed for not trusting him.
----
Look at some of Peps signings that failed, he was able to go and replace them without hesitation!!
-------------------------
City are the play thing of a rich man that is prepared to pay whatever it takes. United are run as a business and Ed has to answer to the owners. We are something like £400m in debt I believe? After a manager has just spent circa £58m on 2 CBs, that he doesn't think are good enough, why would the man holding the purse strings trust him with any more money?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I take the point, but in the most recent derby there was only £20m between the two squads that played. It’s more where you invest the money, you really don’t have a problem of not having it.
----------------------
I'm not saying that we are skint and we have certainly wasted lots of money. However, when Jose has already been backed to sign 2 CBs and neither of them can hold down a regular starting spot, you can't blame Ed for not wanting to keep on spending money on the same position, when we have other areas of the team that also need addressing.
posted on 8/5/19
Elvis
Yeah but I don't think that's the point. If you give a manager a new contract earlier in the year and then only a few months later don't back him then you're clearly going to cause problems and it shows that you're indecisive. I think most agree it was wise not to get in the players Jose wanted but as soon as Woodward chose not to he really should have sacked Jose. Did Woodward really think things would be fine doing what he did to Jose leading up to his 3rd season at the club?
posted on 8/5/19
And yet Ed saw to it that he was given until December. Whatever way you spin it he’s the diiiickhead that has put us in this mess.
BK, yeah I get that. I just feel sorry for him because he won’t get the support needed for his dream job to be a success, in my opinion.
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