VAR just enforced the rules last night. The delays are a bad thing, no doubt at all.
But, 3-0 up with 20 mins to play. And threw it away. No other excuse. Poor decisions made on & off the pitch
If VAR got the correct decisions then surely that's a good thing no?
What's needed is a far faster way of informing the referee and as this whole thing is still in its infancy shouldn't we be giving it more time to improve rather than throw it all away and go back to the days of arguing in the pub afterwards while the tv replays that a team suffered because of an incorrect decision?
VAR got it spot on last night.
The only things that were implemented incorrectly were the referee's failure to send off the Scotland player for the tackle, letting Argentina take a free kick before the sub was in their position and the ridiculous decision to play no added on time when it should have been about 8 minutes.
VAR couldn't really affect those decisions, they were down to the referee being absolutely abysmal.
That said, Scotland were 3-0 up with 18 minutes to go, usual hard luck p!sh.
They just weren't good enough, simple as that.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
If VAR got the correct decisions then surely that's a good thing no?
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dundee united far mate
mind dougie? he would rather refs just have the chance to lie their way out.
The delays are a massive problem. Eight minutes to sort out a penalty is farcical, and as I said above my worry is that the refs become afraid to make a decision because they'd rather wait for the chance to review on VAR.
My personal view is that VAR should be used but have limited scope. Things like being fractionally off her line makes it farcical - surely the ref and the lineswoman should have spotted that, no? They shouldn't be utterly reliant on VAR.
So Ivan....you're coming around to my way of thinking about Shelley Kerr. Their manager turned the game with substitutions. Ours did nothing.
Unfortunately it seems that the female referees just as incapable as their male counterparts.
Although she also spent about another 3 minutes explaining the penalty rules to our goalie
were the referee's failure to send off the Scotland player for the tackle
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Disagree. Under the current rules it wasn't a red as it was a genuine attempt to play the ball.
What was an added farce was booking the Scotland keeper for being about 2 millimetres off her line.
Magnum, totally agree with you on Kerr. I think her caution stopped us having any chance against Japan especially, and then she should have made the right changes to see out the game. I felt her starting line up was right last night though but you feel she was pressured into making the obvious choices.
It was an awful game management from Scotland who are very naive tbh.
3-0, I'd have taken an attacker out and played a defensive midfielder and freshened up few of the players too.
Argentina made all their substitutions to freshen up the squad and yet Scotland had the same bunch huffing and puffing for 95mins.
The players themselves didn't look like they understood what was needed after going up 3 goals.
They were naively leaving their defenses and pushing up.
Scotland lost the game due to naivety not because of VAR or time allowed.
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 4 seconds ago
were the referee's failure to send off the Scotland player for the tackle
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Disagree. Under the current rules it wasn't a red as it was a genuine attempt to play the ball.
What was an added farce was booking the Scotland keeper for being about 2 millimetres off her line.
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The booking is correct, it's the same as a player breaking forward out of the wall at a free kick, it's a yellow card.
She was clearly told to stay on the line, all she had to do was take a step behind the line if she wanted to dive forward.
There wasn't a great deal in it but i'm all for them being strict on it, ffs there was a pen last year where the keeper was nearly at the 6 yard line
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It’s funny looking at penalty saves from history and seeing how far the keeper was off their line when contact was made with the ball. Just look at the likes of Eden Hazard who waits for the keeper to dive before kicking it. Does this mean that if he misses then it’s an automatic retake as he has dummied the keeper into moving and they may have a pubic hair a millimetre off the line? Also movement is based on the anticipation of the penalty taker kicking the ball, not the exact second of contact. If they had to wait until they’d seen contact with the ball then it would look stupid as there would be a big delay in the keepers reacting. Also BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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I am struggling to see how a clear and obvious on-field decision was made in error for the VAR.
The time added on was wild too, it was one of those that neither team could understand.
Fundamentally though, Scotland should have shut up shop at 3-0 up, brought on fresh legs then, and saw the game out. Seems that the mental midgetry transcends both genders when it comes to our football teams.
I am struggling to see how a clear and obvious on-field decision was made in error for the VAR.
The penalty?
It was a stonewaller and the ref waved play on
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 22 seconds ago
I am struggling to see how a clear and obvious on-field decision was made in error for the VAR.
The penalty?
It was a stonewaller and the ref waved play on
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yeah
What a right div that ref!
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 1 minute ago
I am struggling to see how a clear and obvious on-field decision was made in error for the VAR.
The penalty?
It was a stonewaller and the ref waved play on
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I think that was deliberate....they let the game goto see what happens and then go to VAR. Rather than stop the game incorrectly.
They're doing it with offsides too.
I think the delay last night was probably that one angle did seem to show that they she had got a toenail on the ball before absolutely pole-axing the poor lassie
I actually noticed that on the retake, one of the Argentina players had her foot slightly over the line on the dee of the box, which is infringing and should have been retaken.
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 6 minutes ago
I am struggling to see how a clear and obvious on-field decision was made in error for the VAR.
The penalty?
It was a stonewaller and the ref waved play on
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The fact that it took them so long to form a view and they (both the video folk and then subsequently the ref) were struggling to do so even doing frame by frame analysis from multiple different angles. And so I suggest the decision was not a “clear and obvious error”.
Fook the Sfa.
Silly
Female
Amatures.
3-0 up and Scotland fail
At least they can hoover.
comment by Zachsda(The Ulcer Gazelle) (U1850)
posted 21 minutes ago
So Ivan....you're coming around to my way of thinking about Shelley Kerr. Their manager turned the game with substitutions. Ours did nothing.
She's Mark Breidheid wi diddies and a Katy
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Definitely still would mind you
In England next season, they won't be using VAR to check keepers positioning on the line for penalties, because they think it will become a farce.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/vars-in-premier-league-will-not-order-penalty-re-take-if-goalkeeper-comes-off-line-next-season-ffd6h0qbq?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1561017788
I watched the first 20 minutes and Scotland were playing at a very high intensity. My first thought was that they better get it won early because they would be exhausted by the end.
I then caught the last 10 minutes when they were indeed exhausted, then too my amazement we made 2 substitutions at least 15 minutes too late.
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Zachsda(The Ulcer Gazelle) (U1850)
posted 21 minutes ago
So Ivan....you're coming around to my way of thinking about Shelley Kerr. Their manager turned the game with substitutions. Ours did nothing.
She's Mark Breidheid wi diddies and a Katy
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Definitely still would mind you
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Agreed Irish. For all his faults, Warbs wasn't bad looking.
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posted on 20/6/19
VAR just enforced the rules last night. The delays are a bad thing, no doubt at all.
But, 3-0 up with 20 mins to play. And threw it away. No other excuse. Poor decisions made on & off the pitch
posted on 20/6/19
If VAR got the correct decisions then surely that's a good thing no?
What's needed is a far faster way of informing the referee and as this whole thing is still in its infancy shouldn't we be giving it more time to improve rather than throw it all away and go back to the days of arguing in the pub afterwards while the tv replays that a team suffered because of an incorrect decision?
posted on 20/6/19
VAR got it spot on last night.
The only things that were implemented incorrectly were the referee's failure to send off the Scotland player for the tackle, letting Argentina take a free kick before the sub was in their position and the ridiculous decision to play no added on time when it should have been about 8 minutes.
VAR couldn't really affect those decisions, they were down to the referee being absolutely abysmal.
That said, Scotland were 3-0 up with 18 minutes to go, usual hard luck p!sh.
They just weren't good enough, simple as that.
posted on 20/6/19
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
If VAR got the correct decisions then surely that's a good thing no?
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dundee united far mate
mind dougie? he would rather refs just have the chance to lie their way out.
posted on 20/6/19
The delays are a massive problem. Eight minutes to sort out a penalty is farcical, and as I said above my worry is that the refs become afraid to make a decision because they'd rather wait for the chance to review on VAR.
My personal view is that VAR should be used but have limited scope. Things like being fractionally off her line makes it farcical - surely the ref and the lineswoman should have spotted that, no? They shouldn't be utterly reliant on VAR.
posted on 20/6/19
So Ivan....you're coming around to my way of thinking about Shelley Kerr. Their manager turned the game with substitutions. Ours did nothing.
Unfortunately it seems that the female referees just as incapable as their male counterparts.
Although she also spent about another 3 minutes explaining the penalty rules to our goalie
posted on 20/6/19
were the referee's failure to send off the Scotland player for the tackle
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Disagree. Under the current rules it wasn't a red as it was a genuine attempt to play the ball.
What was an added farce was booking the Scotland keeper for being about 2 millimetres off her line.
posted on 20/6/19
Magnum, totally agree with you on Kerr. I think her caution stopped us having any chance against Japan especially, and then she should have made the right changes to see out the game. I felt her starting line up was right last night though but you feel she was pressured into making the obvious choices.
posted on 20/6/19
It was an awful game management from Scotland who are very naive tbh.
3-0, I'd have taken an attacker out and played a defensive midfielder and freshened up few of the players too.
Argentina made all their substitutions to freshen up the squad and yet Scotland had the same bunch huffing and puffing for 95mins.
The players themselves didn't look like they understood what was needed after going up 3 goals.
They were naively leaving their defenses and pushing up.
Scotland lost the game due to naivety not because of VAR or time allowed.
posted on 20/6/19
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 4 seconds ago
were the referee's failure to send off the Scotland player for the tackle
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Disagree. Under the current rules it wasn't a red as it was a genuine attempt to play the ball.
What was an added farce was booking the Scotland keeper for being about 2 millimetres off her line.
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The booking is correct, it's the same as a player breaking forward out of the wall at a free kick, it's a yellow card.
She was clearly told to stay on the line, all she had to do was take a step behind the line if she wanted to dive forward.
There wasn't a great deal in it but i'm all for them being strict on it, ffs there was a pen last year where the keeper was nearly at the 6 yard line
posted on 20/6/19
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posted on 20/6/19
It’s funny looking at penalty saves from history and seeing how far the keeper was off their line when contact was made with the ball. Just look at the likes of Eden Hazard who waits for the keeper to dive before kicking it. Does this mean that if he misses then it’s an automatic retake as he has dummied the keeper into moving and they may have a pubic hair a millimetre off the line? Also movement is based on the anticipation of the penalty taker kicking the ball, not the exact second of contact. If they had to wait until they’d seen contact with the ball then it would look stupid as there would be a big delay in the keepers reacting. Also BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
posted on 20/6/19
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posted on 20/6/19
I am struggling to see how a clear and obvious on-field decision was made in error for the VAR.
The time added on was wild too, it was one of those that neither team could understand.
Fundamentally though, Scotland should have shut up shop at 3-0 up, brought on fresh legs then, and saw the game out. Seems that the mental midgetry transcends both genders when it comes to our football teams.
posted on 20/6/19
I am struggling to see how a clear and obvious on-field decision was made in error for the VAR.
The penalty?
It was a stonewaller and the ref waved play on
posted on 20/6/19
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 22 seconds ago
I am struggling to see how a clear and obvious on-field decision was made in error for the VAR.
The penalty?
It was a stonewaller and the ref waved play on
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yeah
What a right div that ref!
posted on 20/6/19
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 1 minute ago
I am struggling to see how a clear and obvious on-field decision was made in error for the VAR.
The penalty?
It was a stonewaller and the ref waved play on
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I think that was deliberate....they let the game goto see what happens and then go to VAR. Rather than stop the game incorrectly.
They're doing it with offsides too.
I think the delay last night was probably that one angle did seem to show that they she had got a toenail on the ball before absolutely pole-axing the poor lassie
posted on 20/6/19
I actually noticed that on the retake, one of the Argentina players had her foot slightly over the line on the dee of the box, which is infringing and should have been retaken.
posted on 20/6/19
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 6 minutes ago
I am struggling to see how a clear and obvious on-field decision was made in error for the VAR.
The penalty?
It was a stonewaller and the ref waved play on
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The fact that it took them so long to form a view and they (both the video folk and then subsequently the ref) were struggling to do so even doing frame by frame analysis from multiple different angles. And so I suggest the decision was not a “clear and obvious error”.
posted on 20/6/19
Fook the Sfa.
Silly
Female
Amatures.
3-0 up and Scotland fail
At least they can hoover.
posted on 20/6/19
comment by Zachsda(The Ulcer Gazelle) (U1850)
posted 21 minutes ago
So Ivan....you're coming around to my way of thinking about Shelley Kerr. Their manager turned the game with substitutions. Ours did nothing.
She's Mark Breidheid wi diddies and a Katy
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Definitely still would mind you
posted on 20/6/19
In England next season, they won't be using VAR to check keepers positioning on the line for penalties, because they think it will become a farce.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/vars-in-premier-league-will-not-order-penalty-re-take-if-goalkeeper-comes-off-line-next-season-ffd6h0qbq?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1561017788
posted on 20/6/19
I watched the first 20 minutes and Scotland were playing at a very high intensity. My first thought was that they better get it won early because they would be exhausted by the end.
I then caught the last 10 minutes when they were indeed exhausted, then too my amazement we made 2 substitutions at least 15 minutes too late.
posted on 20/6/19
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Zachsda(The Ulcer Gazelle) (U1850)
posted 21 minutes ago
So Ivan....you're coming around to my way of thinking about Shelley Kerr. Their manager turned the game with substitutions. Ours did nothing.
She's Mark Breidheid wi diddies and a Katy
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Definitely still would mind you
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Agreed Irish. For all his faults, Warbs wasn't bad looking.
posted on 20/6/19
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