as we say in Yorkshire.. "hoooowww much"
I know Dunc.
Not the same but idiocy even more because we knew about those two.
As I said on the other thread, we're in a bit of a bind. Everyone knows we are desperate to get back into the big league and have the money to spend on replacing sub-standard players with top class ones. Therefore, inherently, we're only interested in players who we believe have the quality (albeit quality that needs to be developed) to help us catch up with Man City and Liverpool. Which means if we're interested in a player, we must consider them top-class, which means a selling club will ask for the going rate for a top-class player. It's inevitable we'll overpay in a way that e.g. Leicester won't have to.
comment by The Spanish Italians (U21595)
posted 2 minutes ago
as we say in Yorkshire.. "hoooowww much for your sister"
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
I know Dunc.
Not the same but idiocy even more because we knew about those two.
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Whilst we’re on the topic of idiocy, pop over to the Sean Longstaff thread if you fancy watching a slow-motion cerebral car crash unfold, VC.
It’s right up your street, I promise
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 4 minutes ago
Neither Maguire or Longstaff are worth anywhere near the valuations but United will continue to get taken to the cleaners whenever they are interested in a player.
Maguire even in this market is no more than a 50m player and Longstaff 15m at best.
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I agree about Maguire. Longstaff I haven't seen enough of. But if he can come in and do what Carrick did, and with his age, I could handle £25m. But £50m is ridiculous for a lad that has played 15 first team games for Newcastle.
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You're saying you'd only pay £25 million if he's the new Carrick?
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Sorry, I worded that poorly. I meant if Ole thinks he has the potential to be the new Carrick. There are no guarantees, and with his injury, he is a risk.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 22 minutes ago
Same as I said 89 million for Pogba and 70 odd million for Lukaku was idiocy.
I kept getting the 'but it's inflation' argument then.
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It was with Lukaku. He’s gone on inflating since we bought him.
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 22 minutes ago
Same as I said 89 million for Pogba and 70 odd million for Lukaku was idiocy.
I kept getting the 'but it's inflation' argument then.
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It was with Lukaku. He’s gone on inflating since we bought him.
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I know what you are saying. If he keeps on going at the rate he is then by the time we finally reach and agreement with Inter he will easily be worth 4,000PSI.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 56 minutes ago
I’m completely shocked that people are still surprised about transfer fee inflation
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It's not inflation here, it's just two clubs trying to mug United off. When Liverpool bought Carrol for 35m that wasn't even the going rate at the time for a player of his level, because Aguero signed for similar a few months later iirc. They just got completely rinsed by Newcastle and the same would happen this summer if United paid for Maguire and Longstaff.
Rosso
Just had a quick look. KLS is RDD thick.
In fact if you look at how small the Liverpool board is their ratio of thick posters to good ones is staggering.
Probably something like 20 to 1.
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
AWB has always had shades of Nesta in him whilst playing for the Palace reserves
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And a bit of cannavaro i always thought
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 36 minutes ago
As I said on the other thread, we're in a bit of a bind. Everyone knows we are desperate to get back into the big league and have the money to spend on replacing sub-standard players with top class ones. Therefore, inherently, we're only interested in players who we believe have the quality (albeit quality that needs to be developed) to help us catch up with Man City and Liverpool. Which means if we're interested in a player, we must consider them top-class, which means a selling club will ask for the going rate for a top-class player. It's inevitable we'll overpay in a way that e.g. Leicester won't have to.
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There is overpaying, as we have done with the likes of Shaw, Lukaku, Pogba, etc. And then there is absolutely ridiculous prices such as that quoted for Longstaff. £50M for less than half a season of football and on top of that having a season ending injury is ridiculous. It is equivalent to Liverpool paying for Carroll. Or Bournemouth when they bought Ibe.
Clubs dont need or want to sell, hence silly asking prices.
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 36 minutes ago
As I said on the other thread, we're in a bit of a bind. Everyone knows we are desperate to get back into the big league and have the money to spend on replacing sub-standard players with top class ones. Therefore, inherently, we're only interested in players who we believe have the quality (albeit quality that needs to be developed) to help us catch up with Man City and Liverpool. Which means if we're interested in a player, we must consider them top-class, which means a selling club will ask for the going rate for a top-class player. It's inevitable we'll overpay in a way that e.g. Leicester won't have to.
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There is overpaying, as we have done with the likes of Shaw, Lukaku, Pogba, etc. And then there is absolutely ridiculous prices such as that quoted for Longstaff. £50M for less than half a season of football and on top of that having a season ending injury is ridiculous. It is equivalent to Liverpool paying for Carroll. Or Bournemouth when they bought Ibe.
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Agreed. If we are going to pay any more than £25m then it needs to be structured so that we pay more as he reaches appearance targets.
To be fair I don't think Newcastle think he's worth £50m either. That's clearly a stay away he's not for sale type of valuation. So I don't think we can say that's the market rate now because it isn't. They sold Perez for £30m who is much more established and still young.
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
To be fair I don't think Newcastle think he's worth £50m either. That's clearly a stay away he's not for sale type of valuation. So I don't think we can say that's the market rate now because it isn't. They sold Perez for £30m who is much more established and still young.
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No, I think they are just chancing their arm. Ashley will sell anyone for the right price. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a deal is agreed in the coming weeks.
CurrentlyInChina, yes, my point wasn't to justify £50m but a wider one. E.g. I bet the asking price for Perez would have been higher if we'd been in for him. It's a difficult path for us to tread. Obviously we need to avoid paying ridiculous sums. But I think it's just as obvious we'll end up paying more for a player than a club in the second quartile of the PL would for the same man.
Aparently this Lo Celso player Spurs are after was valued at 40m Euro by Betis but when Spurs enquired the price went up to 70m
They see EPL as a cash cow, and the top teams (and probably Utd more than any) even more so. Plus anyone who negotiatesd with Levy knows he'll drive the price down so you may as well buy high.
I think many clubs just need to be patient. Time will usually get you a better deal, with regards to Europen clubs people seem to forget exactly how much money 50m is. To annyone below the top teams, it is a staggering sum of money...Its more than for example, what a team like Betis get in TV money.
If you dot want to be ripped off, strong negotiating and patience is often the key...doesnt always tally with getting a squad together for pre-season however!
Good points, Devonshirespur.
RR, that is the case. £50M in this case is like saying we don't want to sell. And knowing MA that wouldn't be the case. I think the best way to deal with it is to walk away and look at other targets. Sometimes you have to put your foot down. As with Perisic, Inter didn't budge from their valuation, we pulled out. Same has to happen. We can't keep overpaying for players. Especially when there is a very high risk even at the supposedly 25m max we're willing to pay for this guy.
Reading your posts on the various threads, I'm beginning to sense some scepticism on your part towards this potential transfer, CiC
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 10 minutes ago
I’m completely shocked that people are still surprised about transfer fee inflation
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Do you think 50 million for an unknown player is inflation or idiocy.
I opt for idiocy.
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I agree. The next Ronaldo perhaps, the next Henderson, perhaps not. From what I’ve seen if longstaff, not much, we’d be insane to pay 40m for him.
RR
At a structured offer of 25m I'd say it might be worth a gamble. At 50m and his injury, it's a concern. We've not had much luck with them nor signing players who have such issues in recent years.
comment by Declan McDaid (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
I’m completely shocked that people are still surprised about transfer fee inflation
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It's not sustainable though. Soon you will have to choose between building a new stadium and signing James Ward-Prowse.
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comment by Wahl Icht * (U22180)
posted 9 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 56 minutes ago
I’m completely shocked that people are still surprised about transfer fee inflation
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It's not inflation here, it's just two clubs trying to mug us off. When Liverpool bought Carrol for 35m that wasn't even the going rate at the time for a player of his level, because Aguero signed for similar a few months later iirc. They just got completely rinsed by Newcastle and the same would happen this summer if we paid for Maguire and Longstaff.
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posted on 12/7/19
as we say in Yorkshire.. "hoooowww much"
posted on 12/7/19
I know Dunc.
Not the same but idiocy even more because we knew about those two.
posted on 12/7/19
As I said on the other thread, we're in a bit of a bind. Everyone knows we are desperate to get back into the big league and have the money to spend on replacing sub-standard players with top class ones. Therefore, inherently, we're only interested in players who we believe have the quality (albeit quality that needs to be developed) to help us catch up with Man City and Liverpool. Which means if we're interested in a player, we must consider them top-class, which means a selling club will ask for the going rate for a top-class player. It's inevitable we'll overpay in a way that e.g. Leicester won't have to.
posted on 12/7/19
comment by The Spanish Italians (U21595)
posted 2 minutes ago
as we say in Yorkshire.. "hoooowww much for your sister"
posted on 12/7/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
I know Dunc.
Not the same but idiocy even more because we knew about those two.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst we’re on the topic of idiocy, pop over to the Sean Longstaff thread if you fancy watching a slow-motion cerebral car crash unfold, VC.
It’s right up your street, I promise
posted on 12/7/19
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 4 minutes ago
Neither Maguire or Longstaff are worth anywhere near the valuations but United will continue to get taken to the cleaners whenever they are interested in a player.
Maguire even in this market is no more than a 50m player and Longstaff 15m at best.
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I agree about Maguire. Longstaff I haven't seen enough of. But if he can come in and do what Carrick did, and with his age, I could handle £25m. But £50m is ridiculous for a lad that has played 15 first team games for Newcastle.
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You're saying you'd only pay £25 million if he's the new Carrick?
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Sorry, I worded that poorly. I meant if Ole thinks he has the potential to be the new Carrick. There are no guarantees, and with his injury, he is a risk.
posted on 12/7/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 22 minutes ago
Same as I said 89 million for Pogba and 70 odd million for Lukaku was idiocy.
I kept getting the 'but it's inflation' argument then.
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It was with Lukaku. He’s gone on inflating since we bought him.
posted on 12/7/19
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 22 minutes ago
Same as I said 89 million for Pogba and 70 odd million for Lukaku was idiocy.
I kept getting the 'but it's inflation' argument then.
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It was with Lukaku. He’s gone on inflating since we bought him.
-----------------------------------
I know what you are saying. If he keeps on going at the rate he is then by the time we finally reach and agreement with Inter he will easily be worth 4,000PSI.
posted on 12/7/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 56 minutes ago
I’m completely shocked that people are still surprised about transfer fee inflation
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It's not inflation here, it's just two clubs trying to mug United off. When Liverpool bought Carrol for 35m that wasn't even the going rate at the time for a player of his level, because Aguero signed for similar a few months later iirc. They just got completely rinsed by Newcastle and the same would happen this summer if United paid for Maguire and Longstaff.
posted on 12/7/19
Rosso
Just had a quick look. KLS is RDD thick.
In fact if you look at how small the Liverpool board is their ratio of thick posters to good ones is staggering.
Probably something like 20 to 1.
posted on 12/7/19
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
AWB has always had shades of Nesta in him whilst playing for the Palace reserves
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And a bit of cannavaro i always thought
posted on 12/7/19
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 36 minutes ago
As I said on the other thread, we're in a bit of a bind. Everyone knows we are desperate to get back into the big league and have the money to spend on replacing sub-standard players with top class ones. Therefore, inherently, we're only interested in players who we believe have the quality (albeit quality that needs to be developed) to help us catch up with Man City and Liverpool. Which means if we're interested in a player, we must consider them top-class, which means a selling club will ask for the going rate for a top-class player. It's inevitable we'll overpay in a way that e.g. Leicester won't have to.
-------
There is overpaying, as we have done with the likes of Shaw, Lukaku, Pogba, etc. And then there is absolutely ridiculous prices such as that quoted for Longstaff. £50M for less than half a season of football and on top of that having a season ending injury is ridiculous. It is equivalent to Liverpool paying for Carroll. Or Bournemouth when they bought Ibe.
posted on 12/7/19
Clubs dont need or want to sell, hence silly asking prices.
posted on 12/7/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 36 minutes ago
As I said on the other thread, we're in a bit of a bind. Everyone knows we are desperate to get back into the big league and have the money to spend on replacing sub-standard players with top class ones. Therefore, inherently, we're only interested in players who we believe have the quality (albeit quality that needs to be developed) to help us catch up with Man City and Liverpool. Which means if we're interested in a player, we must consider them top-class, which means a selling club will ask for the going rate for a top-class player. It's inevitable we'll overpay in a way that e.g. Leicester won't have to.
-------
There is overpaying, as we have done with the likes of Shaw, Lukaku, Pogba, etc. And then there is absolutely ridiculous prices such as that quoted for Longstaff. £50M for less than half a season of football and on top of that having a season ending injury is ridiculous. It is equivalent to Liverpool paying for Carroll. Or Bournemouth when they bought Ibe.
------------------------
Agreed. If we are going to pay any more than £25m then it needs to be structured so that we pay more as he reaches appearance targets.
posted on 12/7/19
To be fair I don't think Newcastle think he's worth £50m either. That's clearly a stay away he's not for sale type of valuation. So I don't think we can say that's the market rate now because it isn't. They sold Perez for £30m who is much more established and still young.
posted on 12/7/19
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
To be fair I don't think Newcastle think he's worth £50m either. That's clearly a stay away he's not for sale type of valuation. So I don't think we can say that's the market rate now because it isn't. They sold Perez for £30m who is much more established and still young.
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No, I think they are just chancing their arm. Ashley will sell anyone for the right price. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a deal is agreed in the coming weeks.
posted on 12/7/19
CurrentlyInChina, yes, my point wasn't to justify £50m but a wider one. E.g. I bet the asking price for Perez would have been higher if we'd been in for him. It's a difficult path for us to tread. Obviously we need to avoid paying ridiculous sums. But I think it's just as obvious we'll end up paying more for a player than a club in the second quartile of the PL would for the same man.
posted on 12/7/19
Aparently this Lo Celso player Spurs are after was valued at 40m Euro by Betis but when Spurs enquired the price went up to 70m
They see EPL as a cash cow, and the top teams (and probably Utd more than any) even more so. Plus anyone who negotiatesd with Levy knows he'll drive the price down so you may as well buy high.
I think many clubs just need to be patient. Time will usually get you a better deal, with regards to Europen clubs people seem to forget exactly how much money 50m is. To annyone below the top teams, it is a staggering sum of money...Its more than for example, what a team like Betis get in TV money.
If you dot want to be ripped off, strong negotiating and patience is often the key...doesnt always tally with getting a squad together for pre-season however!
posted on 12/7/19
Good points, Devonshirespur.
posted on 12/7/19
RR, that is the case. £50M in this case is like saying we don't want to sell. And knowing MA that wouldn't be the case. I think the best way to deal with it is to walk away and look at other targets. Sometimes you have to put your foot down. As with Perisic, Inter didn't budge from their valuation, we pulled out. Same has to happen. We can't keep overpaying for players. Especially when there is a very high risk even at the supposedly 25m max we're willing to pay for this guy.
posted on 12/7/19
Reading your posts on the various threads, I'm beginning to sense some scepticism on your part towards this potential transfer, CiC
posted on 12/7/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 10 minutes ago
I’m completely shocked that people are still surprised about transfer fee inflation
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Do you think 50 million for an unknown player is inflation or idiocy.
I opt for idiocy.
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I agree. The next Ronaldo perhaps, the next Henderson, perhaps not. From what I’ve seen if longstaff, not much, we’d be insane to pay 40m for him.
posted on 12/7/19
RR
At a structured offer of 25m I'd say it might be worth a gamble. At 50m and his injury, it's a concern. We've not had much luck with them nor signing players who have such issues in recent years.
posted on 12/7/19
comment by Declan McDaid (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
I’m completely shocked that people are still surprised about transfer fee inflation
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It's not sustainable though. Soon you will have to choose between building a new stadium and signing James Ward-Prowse.
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posted on 12/7/19
comment by Wahl Icht * (U22180)
posted 9 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 56 minutes ago
I’m completely shocked that people are still surprised about transfer fee inflation
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It's not inflation here, it's just two clubs trying to mug us off. When Liverpool bought Carrol for 35m that wasn't even the going rate at the time for a player of his level, because Aguero signed for similar a few months later iirc. They just got completely rinsed by Newcastle and the same would happen this summer if we paid for Maguire and Longstaff.
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