Little bit dramatic to say the least! He would need a very very long run of poor form in my opinion before you can even start to consider him done.
The guy was the best GK in the world 18 months ago and is still very young, you don't just lose that.
He's also still not sorted his contract out. He won't be dropped, nor is he remotely finished either
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He’s well below his best and I’d say the likes of Ter Stegen, Oblak, Ederson and Allison are ahead of him now - probably others
Don’t think many other clubs are that interested in him other than on a free which he can clinch in Jan with a pre contract
If he signs a pre contract in Jan with someone else and continues to make mistakes id put him in the reserves until the summer and play Romero
comment by JHernandezMUFC (U18093)
posted 12 minutes ago
Little bit dramatic to say the least! He would need a very very long run of poor form in my opinion before you can even start to consider him done.
The guy was the best GK in the world 18 months ago and is still very young, you don't just lose that.
He's also still not sorted his contract out. He won't be dropped, nor is he remotely finished either
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Don't think it's dramatic, the poor form has been for more than 12months now. There have been numerous clangers in that time
I've been using the "it's the uncertainty around his contract/future" excuse for him too, but the more I think about it, the more I'm unsure it's as simple as that.
He isn't making the kind of mistakes that a distracted or switched off keeper makes... dodgy passes, dropping or fumbling crosses etc... he's making really strange mistakes like letting things go straight through him. His reflexes and shot-stopping has always been his strongest attribute but he's getting everything horribly wrong. It's not like he has loads of time to think about how he's going to save a shot like at the weekend and then messes it up with indecision, which is what a keeper who has switched off might do when going for a cross or something.
This has actually always been a strange feature of his game in a Spain shirt, and it seems to have slipped into this United form. The only top goalkeeper I can think of who hit bad form and never really recovered was Iker Casillas, who become quite calamitous during the years that you'd have expected him to be at his senior best - a bit like VDS for us or Buffon, Cech etc...
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posted 9 minutes ago
It's happened to keepers before at top clubs. They seem to get into a rut where a couple of mistakes turn in to a few and it is hard to turn it around. De Gea seems to be at that stage now and it may be time for him to move on. As strange as it seems, it may be good for United too. If they could go and get Oblak or someone who has that kind of presence. His past performances shouldn't count for anything at the level that United want to be.
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Think its similar to his Spanish predecessors Valdes and Casillas, at the top for a long time but then a sharp decline all of a sudden.
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It's happened to keepers before at top clubs. They seem to get into a rut where a couple of mistakes turn in to a few and it is hard to turn it around. De Gea seems to be at that stage now and it may be time for him to move on. As strange as it seems, it may be good for United too. If they could go and get Oblak or someone who has that kind of presence. His past performances shouldn't count for anything at the level that United want to be.
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Think its similar to his Spanish predecessors Valdes and Casillas, at the top for a long time but then a sharp decline all of a sudden.
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Yep. It isn't uncommon for it to happen to keepers anywhere. Happened to Cech too.
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Cech has a little wobble but he recovered and still always had that presence and composure in his senior years. He wasn't so good with the ball at his feet which probably sped up his being replaced but I certainly wouldn't put Cech anywhere near the kind of decline that Casillas showed.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 3 minutes ago
I've been using the "it's the uncertainty around his contract/future" excuse for him too, but the more I think about it, the more I'm unsure it's as simple as that.
He isn't making the kind of mistakes that a distracted or switched off keeper makes... dodgy passes, dropping or fumbling crosses etc... he's making really strange mistakes like letting things go straight through him. His reflexes and shot-stopping has always been his strongest attribute but he's getting everything horribly wrong. It's not like he has loads of time to think about how he's going to save a shot like at the weekend and then messes it up with indecision, which is what a keeper who has switched off might do when going for a cross or something.
This has actually always been a strange feature of his game in a Spain shirt, and it seems to have slipped into this United form. The only top goalkeeper I can think of who hit bad form and never really recovered was Iker Casillas, who become quite calamitous during the years that you'd have expected him to be at his senior best - a bit like VDS for us or Buffon, Cech etc...
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Completely agree, his mistakes aren't lapses of concentration or poor positioning. Just poor goalkeeping. He used to play badly for Spain but work winders for United, now it does seem to have effected his club form.
Let's see how many more mistakes he does make this season, certainly cost us 2 points on the weekend, and a handful more last year
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Coming off the back of a forum where some spurs fans want Poch out, now we’re asking whether 28 year old De Gea is finished?
This place is starting to show why it’s so hard for managers and players to look long term these days.
Ridiculous short term reactions that lose sight of long term overall gains.
Modern game doesn't suit him at all and he's always come across as a bit of a
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Coming off the back of a forum where some spurs fans want Poch out, now we’re asking whether 28 year old De Gea is finished?
This place is starting to show why it’s so hard for managers and players to look long term these days.
Ridiculous short term reactions that lose sight of long term overall gains.
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Short term reactions? Have you watched him for the last 18months?
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He still pulls incredible saves out of the bag, but he really seems to be struggling with shots in and around his body.
I think there's a huge confidence issue with DDG, always has been. Maybe he just doesn't have much faith in Jose and now Ole?
"Have you watched him for the last 18months?"
This is a bit of a myth, he had a bad World Cup, but he wasn't horrendous all of last season. The last 3 or 4 months made him an easy target.
Up until Feb time he was still saving us more points than he cost, however his concentration levels the past few months are certainly a cause for concern.
It’s not him, it’s the opposition, they’re just not putting the ball where he wants it
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comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 9 minutes ago
It's happened to keepers before at top clubs. They seem to get into a rut where a couple of mistakes turn in to a few and it is hard to turn it around. De Gea seems to be at that stage now and it may be time for him to move on. As strange as it seems, it may be good for United too. If they could go and get Oblak or someone who has that kind of presence. His past performances shouldn't count for anything at the level that United want to be.
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Think its similar to his Spanish predecessors Valdes and Casillas, at the top for a long time but then a sharp decline all of a sudden.
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Yep. It isn't uncommon for it to happen to keepers anywhere. Happened to Cech too.
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What happened to Cech? Guy was class at cfc till he left. Declined at arsenal though
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We chose cortious over Cech because he wanted first team football and we looked to longevity. In his last season he hardly played for this reason. Obviously keepers will decline as they age but there was hardly a noticeable difference in Cech till he left
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posted 44 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 3 minutes ago
I've been using the "it's the uncertainty around his contract/future" excuse for him too, but the more I think about it, the more I'm unsure it's as simple as that.
He isn't making the kind of mistakes that a distracted or switched off keeper makes... dodgy passes, dropping or fumbling crosses etc... he's making really strange mistakes like letting things go straight through him. His reflexes and shot-stopping has always been his strongest attribute but he's getting everything horribly wrong. It's not like he has loads of time to think about how he's going to save a shot like at the weekend and then messes it up with indecision, which is what a keeper who has switched off might do when going for a cross or something.
This has actually always been a strange feature of his game in a Spain shirt, and it seems to have slipped into this United form. The only top goalkeeper I can think of who hit bad form and never really recovered was Iker Casillas, who become quite calamitous during the years that you'd have expected him to be at his senior best - a bit like VDS for us or Buffon, Cech etc...
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Completely agree, his mistakes aren't lapses of concentration or poor positioning. Just poor goalkeeping. He used to play badly for Spain but work winders for United, now it does seem to have effected his club form.
Let's see how many more mistakes he does make this season, certainly cost us 2 points on the weekend, and a handful more last year
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Always wondered if it was the pressure when playing for Spain that got to him? There’s a lot of pressure playing for Utd, but he’s always seem to be worse for Spain, so perhaps feels that more. Worrying that it’s crept in to his previously seemingly unflappable utd form.
De geas had a mixed pl career really. Still remember that arsenal utd game though where arsenal could have scored 6 or 7 but I believe utd won 3-1? One of the most outrageous goalkeeping performances I've ever seen
Is it because we have more of the ball in games v the so called lesser sides now? or giving up less shots to be more accurate. A lot of the great goalkeepers at great teams tend to pull off great saves out of nowhere from the odd shot, showing levels of concentration. DDG is at his very best when shots are being peppered at him. Even with the possession based football under LVG we did give up quite a lot of shots. Perhaps he doesn't have the concentration to play in a side that dominates the ball...see his record for Spain
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 6 minutes ago
Is it because we have more of the ball in games v the so called lesser sides now? or giving up less shots to be more accurate. A lot of the great goalkeepers at great teams tend to pull off great saves out of nowhere from the odd shot, showing levels of concentration. DDG is at his very best when shots are being peppered at him. Even with the possession based football under LVG we did give up quite a lot of shots. Perhaps he doesn't have the concentration to play in a side that dominates the ball...see his record for Spain
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It's a decent enough theory but it doesn't explain errors against City, Chelsea & Barca last season... It doesn't really explain his error for the free-kick that Ronaldo scored for Portugal. I mean, a free kick from a shooting position is something you'd expect a keeper to be pretty well prepared for in the moment!
Having watched a few howlers from DDG recently, anyone who thinks he's still a top keeper is simply living in denial.
Kind of like Joe Hart for us when he was dropped by Pep.
Fans were all like Joe's been a great servant, a legend, great shot stopper etc.
But Pep knows he lives or dies by his decision.
Now, with Ederson, we have never been happier.
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posted on 27/8/19
Little bit dramatic to say the least! He would need a very very long run of poor form in my opinion before you can even start to consider him done.
The guy was the best GK in the world 18 months ago and is still very young, you don't just lose that.
He's also still not sorted his contract out. He won't be dropped, nor is he remotely finished either
posted on 27/8/19
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posted on 27/8/19
He’s well below his best and I’d say the likes of Ter Stegen, Oblak, Ederson and Allison are ahead of him now - probably others
Don’t think many other clubs are that interested in him other than on a free which he can clinch in Jan with a pre contract
If he signs a pre contract in Jan with someone else and continues to make mistakes id put him in the reserves until the summer and play Romero
posted on 27/8/19
comment by JHernandezMUFC (U18093)
posted 12 minutes ago
Little bit dramatic to say the least! He would need a very very long run of poor form in my opinion before you can even start to consider him done.
The guy was the best GK in the world 18 months ago and is still very young, you don't just lose that.
He's also still not sorted his contract out. He won't be dropped, nor is he remotely finished either
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Don't think it's dramatic, the poor form has been for more than 12months now. There have been numerous clangers in that time
posted on 27/8/19
I've been using the "it's the uncertainty around his contract/future" excuse for him too, but the more I think about it, the more I'm unsure it's as simple as that.
He isn't making the kind of mistakes that a distracted or switched off keeper makes... dodgy passes, dropping or fumbling crosses etc... he's making really strange mistakes like letting things go straight through him. His reflexes and shot-stopping has always been his strongest attribute but he's getting everything horribly wrong. It's not like he has loads of time to think about how he's going to save a shot like at the weekend and then messes it up with indecision, which is what a keeper who has switched off might do when going for a cross or something.
This has actually always been a strange feature of his game in a Spain shirt, and it seems to have slipped into this United form. The only top goalkeeper I can think of who hit bad form and never really recovered was Iker Casillas, who become quite calamitous during the years that you'd have expected him to be at his senior best - a bit like VDS for us or Buffon, Cech etc...
posted on 27/8/19
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 9 minutes ago
It's happened to keepers before at top clubs. They seem to get into a rut where a couple of mistakes turn in to a few and it is hard to turn it around. De Gea seems to be at that stage now and it may be time for him to move on. As strange as it seems, it may be good for United too. If they could go and get Oblak or someone who has that kind of presence. His past performances shouldn't count for anything at the level that United want to be.
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Think its similar to his Spanish predecessors Valdes and Casillas, at the top for a long time but then a sharp decline all of a sudden.
posted on 27/8/19
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posted on 27/8/19
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comment by #TopLad || Sir Alex Ferguson ||✓ (U10161)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 9 minutes ago
It's happened to keepers before at top clubs. They seem to get into a rut where a couple of mistakes turn in to a few and it is hard to turn it around. De Gea seems to be at that stage now and it may be time for him to move on. As strange as it seems, it may be good for United too. If they could go and get Oblak or someone who has that kind of presence. His past performances shouldn't count for anything at the level that United want to be.
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Think its similar to his Spanish predecessors Valdes and Casillas, at the top for a long time but then a sharp decline all of a sudden.
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Yep. It isn't uncommon for it to happen to keepers anywhere. Happened to Cech too.
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Cech has a little wobble but he recovered and still always had that presence and composure in his senior years. He wasn't so good with the ball at his feet which probably sped up his being replaced but I certainly wouldn't put Cech anywhere near the kind of decline that Casillas showed.
posted on 27/8/19
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 3 minutes ago
I've been using the "it's the uncertainty around his contract/future" excuse for him too, but the more I think about it, the more I'm unsure it's as simple as that.
He isn't making the kind of mistakes that a distracted or switched off keeper makes... dodgy passes, dropping or fumbling crosses etc... he's making really strange mistakes like letting things go straight through him. His reflexes and shot-stopping has always been his strongest attribute but he's getting everything horribly wrong. It's not like he has loads of time to think about how he's going to save a shot like at the weekend and then messes it up with indecision, which is what a keeper who has switched off might do when going for a cross or something.
This has actually always been a strange feature of his game in a Spain shirt, and it seems to have slipped into this United form. The only top goalkeeper I can think of who hit bad form and never really recovered was Iker Casillas, who become quite calamitous during the years that you'd have expected him to be at his senior best - a bit like VDS for us or Buffon, Cech etc...
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Completely agree, his mistakes aren't lapses of concentration or poor positioning. Just poor goalkeeping. He used to play badly for Spain but work winders for United, now it does seem to have effected his club form.
Let's see how many more mistakes he does make this season, certainly cost us 2 points on the weekend, and a handful more last year
posted on 27/8/19
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posted on 27/8/19
Coming off the back of a forum where some spurs fans want Poch out, now we’re asking whether 28 year old De Gea is finished?
This place is starting to show why it’s so hard for managers and players to look long term these days.
Ridiculous short term reactions that lose sight of long term overall gains.
posted on 27/8/19
Modern game doesn't suit him at all and he's always come across as a bit of a
posted on 27/8/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Coming off the back of a forum where some spurs fans want Poch out, now we’re asking whether 28 year old De Gea is finished?
This place is starting to show why it’s so hard for managers and players to look long term these days.
Ridiculous short term reactions that lose sight of long term overall gains.
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Short term reactions? Have you watched him for the last 18months?
posted on 27/8/19
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posted on 27/8/19
He still pulls incredible saves out of the bag, but he really seems to be struggling with shots in and around his body.
I think there's a huge confidence issue with DDG, always has been. Maybe he just doesn't have much faith in Jose and now Ole?
posted on 27/8/19
"Have you watched him for the last 18months?"
This is a bit of a myth, he had a bad World Cup, but he wasn't horrendous all of last season. The last 3 or 4 months made him an easy target.
Up until Feb time he was still saving us more points than he cost, however his concentration levels the past few months are certainly a cause for concern.
posted on 27/8/19
It’s not him, it’s the opposition, they’re just not putting the ball where he wants it
posted on 27/8/19
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by #TopLad || Sir Alex Ferguson ||✓ (U10161)
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comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 9 minutes ago
It's happened to keepers before at top clubs. They seem to get into a rut where a couple of mistakes turn in to a few and it is hard to turn it around. De Gea seems to be at that stage now and it may be time for him to move on. As strange as it seems, it may be good for United too. If they could go and get Oblak or someone who has that kind of presence. His past performances shouldn't count for anything at the level that United want to be.
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Think its similar to his Spanish predecessors Valdes and Casillas, at the top for a long time but then a sharp decline all of a sudden.
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Yep. It isn't uncommon for it to happen to keepers anywhere. Happened to Cech too.
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What happened to Cech? Guy was class at cfc till he left. Declined at arsenal though
posted on 27/8/19
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posted on 27/8/19
We chose cortious over Cech because he wanted first team football and we looked to longevity. In his last season he hardly played for this reason. Obviously keepers will decline as they age but there was hardly a noticeable difference in Cech till he left
posted on 27/8/19
comment by #TopLad || Sir Alex Ferguson ||✓ (U10161)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 3 minutes ago
I've been using the "it's the uncertainty around his contract/future" excuse for him too, but the more I think about it, the more I'm unsure it's as simple as that.
He isn't making the kind of mistakes that a distracted or switched off keeper makes... dodgy passes, dropping or fumbling crosses etc... he's making really strange mistakes like letting things go straight through him. His reflexes and shot-stopping has always been his strongest attribute but he's getting everything horribly wrong. It's not like he has loads of time to think about how he's going to save a shot like at the weekend and then messes it up with indecision, which is what a keeper who has switched off might do when going for a cross or something.
This has actually always been a strange feature of his game in a Spain shirt, and it seems to have slipped into this United form. The only top goalkeeper I can think of who hit bad form and never really recovered was Iker Casillas, who become quite calamitous during the years that you'd have expected him to be at his senior best - a bit like VDS for us or Buffon, Cech etc...
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Completely agree, his mistakes aren't lapses of concentration or poor positioning. Just poor goalkeeping. He used to play badly for Spain but work winders for United, now it does seem to have effected his club form.
Let's see how many more mistakes he does make this season, certainly cost us 2 points on the weekend, and a handful more last year
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Always wondered if it was the pressure when playing for Spain that got to him? There’s a lot of pressure playing for Utd, but he’s always seem to be worse for Spain, so perhaps feels that more. Worrying that it’s crept in to his previously seemingly unflappable utd form.
posted on 27/8/19
De geas had a mixed pl career really. Still remember that arsenal utd game though where arsenal could have scored 6 or 7 but I believe utd won 3-1? One of the most outrageous goalkeeping performances I've ever seen
posted on 27/8/19
Is it because we have more of the ball in games v the so called lesser sides now? or giving up less shots to be more accurate. A lot of the great goalkeepers at great teams tend to pull off great saves out of nowhere from the odd shot, showing levels of concentration. DDG is at his very best when shots are being peppered at him. Even with the possession based football under LVG we did give up quite a lot of shots. Perhaps he doesn't have the concentration to play in a side that dominates the ball...see his record for Spain
posted on 27/8/19
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 6 minutes ago
Is it because we have more of the ball in games v the so called lesser sides now? or giving up less shots to be more accurate. A lot of the great goalkeepers at great teams tend to pull off great saves out of nowhere from the odd shot, showing levels of concentration. DDG is at his very best when shots are being peppered at him. Even with the possession based football under LVG we did give up quite a lot of shots. Perhaps he doesn't have the concentration to play in a side that dominates the ball...see his record for Spain
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It's a decent enough theory but it doesn't explain errors against City, Chelsea & Barca last season... It doesn't really explain his error for the free-kick that Ronaldo scored for Portugal. I mean, a free kick from a shooting position is something you'd expect a keeper to be pretty well prepared for in the moment!
posted on 27/8/19
Having watched a few howlers from DDG recently, anyone who thinks he's still a top keeper is simply living in denial.
Kind of like Joe Hart for us when he was dropped by Pep.
Fans were all like Joe's been a great servant, a legend, great shot stopper etc.
But Pep knows he lives or dies by his decision.
Now, with Ederson, we have never been happier.
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