David Cameron committed the biggest crime in the last 50 years when he announced the referendum.

He managed to completely polarise the UK, and all in a vain attempt to potentially stop some Conservative seats being lost to UKIP, (i.e. he did it for the sake of the Tories not for the sake of the country).

No matter what "crackpot" ideas the Sun / Daily Mail / Daily Express can ever accuse the Labour Party of having, even if they were true, they don't even come close to causing the economic damage that the Brexit debacle has and will do to this country.

Please remember we haven't left yet. How much cash has been wasted on extra civil servants for what (I hope) is something that may never happen?

Having observed what happens to countries who go down the Marxist route I can't agree with your third paragraph. Corbyn would wreck our country.

Cameron did make a mistake, he thought he could win though. If the EU had given anything remain might have won and when Herr Junkers said ve vould be punished if we dared to vote leave, that nailed it.

Yes we haven't left yet and I don't know how n=much has been spent, but they say we've spent £7 billion so far on the white elephant HS2.

I have just been speaking to my son about what you said about your business, he wasn't very sympathetic and said you need to move with the times. He said you should read a book about mice and cheese, this is supposed to tell you how to go on. Have you ever heard of this book? I haven't.

I'm not going tonight as Mrs VC is extremely unwell, so I'll watch it on the TV. Hope we win and get some hope back, I want to give Cocu plenty of time but I like winning. UTR.

This is worth a lookhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX0paAee8HM

I'm not looking for sympathy VC, I specialise in a very regulated and niche industry (pharma). All the evidence points to business generally moving out of the UK and into the EU. Indeed two of my customers have shut their UK operations in the last six months purely due to Brexit. Perhaps your son can give some of the ones laid-off a job?

Taking your son's advice I could also emigrate to to mainland Europe. Just think, all those pesky "remainers" gone for good.

I also hope Mrs VC recovers soon. it's never nice when friends and family are unwell.

Thank you for your last remark Scouse, but things aren't good I'm afraid.


My son's firm are always looking for engineers and find difficulty filling positions although the pay seems good to me. They are in 3D printing and computerised measuring and do a lot of exporting. To tell the truth I don't fully understand it all. My son started up his firms on his own and has done well without any financial help from me, I'm proud of the way he has gone about things, he only got 1 GCSE!

If I was emigrating I'd like to live in a house in the hills overlooking the sea near St Tropez, lovely place. I can't speak good enough French to live there though.

We have huge firms in this country like Astra Zenica and Glaxo. Surely we make our own drugs and if we don't that is a reason why we should.

I hope we can get over the uncertainty soon and get on with the things that matter to most people. I'm sick to death of the whole thing. In a way I wish remain had won, at least we probably would have accepted it.

You want to pack it in with each other. I don't know if there's any history between any of you but if there isn't, don't start the animosity towards each other over politics on a fkin football forum, especially when you all support the same team.

I agree with you Dean, there are plenty of sites where we can discus Boris and Brexit. But I'm a sucker to get drawn in to arguments.