comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 47 minutes ago
As regards Naby's post above, either I'm totally mistaken, or he (and many others) have misunderstood how VAR actually works:
For one, afaik, the ref ALWAYS has the final word. There's no scenario I know of where someone can come down from the VAR room and point to the penalty spot or centre circle. As much as they may try to persuade him, no-one in the VAR room can 'order' the ref to overturn a decision. They might tell him an incident is as stonewall as they like, but he doesn't have to take their opinion as bible, and they can't deny him the possibility to review an incident on video.
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Probably my mistake, I'm no expert on VAR.
I'm all in favour of the ref always being the final word on decisions and if that's the way it would work (rather than a VAR decision) I'm in favour. I think for the integrity of the role it has to be that way.
What I'm less happy with atm is VAR only flagging to the ref if there's a clear and obvious error. There will be incidents where they can say that with certainty but (as this thread shows) more often than not it's a judgement call.
It basically limits the number of incidents a ref can have a second look at and personally, as a fan of VAR, I'd prefer the ref gets a second look at marginal calls rather than getting the split second of live action.
To take last nights penalty incident, if the ref takes a second look at it and decides he's happy with the decision he made in the moment then fair enough. But I think it was a marginal enough decision to warrant a second look, we have the technology so let's give the ref the ability to do that.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
Havne't watched the incident last night, but if I'm not mistaken, isn't there a concept called 'impeding', whereby there doesn't even have to be actual physical contact for there to be a foul?
For example, if you lunge into a player, don't make contact, but avoiding your challenge means the player loses control of the ball, you can have a foul called against you.
You can raise your foot way too high, you don't need to take a player's head off for a foul to be given against.
So, just to play devil's advocate here, is it possible that in the ref's view, whatever it was that Robertson did last night was going to take the player out or impede his progress, regardless of how the player reacted before contact was made?
As I said, I'm just playing devil's advocate to try and see where the ref's decision might have come from.
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There was contact as well. Poor lad was just trying to change direction with the ball when Robertson turned his arssse into him. Super slow mo shows that the player took a few minutes to decide to dive into Robertson's leg though. He wrote a short proposal during that time regarding how he would go about deliberately jumping into Robertson's leg. The proposal is pretty clear in short slow mo.
https://twitter.com/Itz_Zehzz/status/1174099596886380544?s=09
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 6 minutes ago
"Havne't watched the incident last night, but if I'm not mistaken, isn't there a concept called 'impeding', whereby there doesn't even have to be actual physical contact for there to be a foul?"
I believe so but the player was already mid-air before he got to the space where Robertson would have impeded him. He dived too early and still got rewarded.
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by 🏆🏆🏆Allison Chains🏆🏆🏆 (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
Decision given against my team = VAR will ultimately be a failure. Football does incredible things to the brain.
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So if one of your players was pulled over in the box and no pen is given, and despite having this new VAR technology to get rid of these sorts of errors, would you not also be frustrated?
Just an example.
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What about the handball by TAA that would often be given using VAR but wasn't on this occasion?
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I didn't see the game (hence using the Matip event) but if it was handball from TAA and missed by the ref then it should absolutely be a penalty.
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/Itz_Zehzz/status/1174099596886380544?s=09
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Love it that this twitter account has labelled it as 'what actually happened' rather than the CGI version from the other angle.
Harry Maguire made exactly the same sort of challenge against Wolves earlier in the season. Swung at the ball, missed, contact then made with the opponent. Ref gave a FK, and booked Maguire.
The irony is that the pen given in CL final shouldn't have been given and yet no Liverpool complained about being given it. Yesterday the pen that was given against Liverpool was a one, and yet Liverpool fans are crying wolf over it.
Liverpool benefited from one very suspect pen decision and enjoyed the rewards of it, but up in arms about one given against them.
Can't always rely on refs to help you out
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/Itz_Zehzz/status/1174099596886380544?s=09
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Love it that this twitter account has labelled it as 'what actually happened' rather than the CGI version from the other angle.
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The other angle is like looking at a cube exactly side on and saying it's definitely just a square. This angle clearly shows that it's a cube.
No the penalty in the CL should have been given as that's the rules.
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 minutes ago
The irony is that the pen given in CL final shouldn't have been given and yet no Liverpool complained about being given it. Yesterday the pen that was given against Liverpool was a one, and yet Liverpool fans are crying wolf over it.
Liverpool benefited from one very suspect pen decision and enjoyed the rewards of it, but up in arms about one given against them.
Can't always rely on refs to help you out
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You couldn't possibly be more wrong.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
No the penalty in the CL should have been given as that's the rules.
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What about TAA's handball yesterday then? Or was the rule on holiday?
According to the rules as harsh as they are both should have been given when reviewed by VAR
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/Itz_Zehzz/status/1174099596886380544?s=09
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Can't say from that angle, tbh. The question for me is whether Robertson has got a touch on the ball or not it seems like there's an ever-so-slight spin added to the ball as his foot comes down, but hard to tell from that angle.
If not, I'd be tempted to award that as a pen. Callejón clearly anticipates the contact and drags his trailing foot to 'help' the ref make his decision, but Robertson seems to have got himself in the wrong place and is at the very least going to impede the player's progress, if not bring him down outright.
It's a tough call though, and I can see Liverpool fans' case for saying it isn't a pen. That said, even if Robertson gets a brush of the ball, the mere fact that I'm still undecided after super-slowmo suggests it isn't really a "clear and obvious" error.
It's one of those cases where if this was Madrid on the wrong end of the decision I reckon I'd still say ref's call and accept that our player's poor judgement had given the ref a tough decision to make.
And that, on a European away night at one of the most passionate stadiums on the continent, is one I reckon most seasoned Liverpool fans will recognise is a decision that will very often go against.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 minutes ago
The irony is that the pen given in CL final shouldn't have been given and yet no Liverpool complained about being given it. Yesterday the pen that was given against Liverpool was a one, and yet Liverpool fans are crying wolf over it.
Liverpool benefited from one very suspect pen decision and enjoyed the rewards of it, but up in arms about one given against them.
Can't always rely on refs to help you out
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You couldn't possibly be more wrong.
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Let Watford Morespurs have his say.
Why shouldn't that pen have stood?
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
No the penalty in the CL should have been given as that's the rules.
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What about TAA's handball yesterday then? Or was the rule on holiday?
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You'd have to post a twitter replay otherwise it didnt happen.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 minutes ago
The irony is that the pen given in CL final shouldn't have been given and yet no Liverpool complained about being given it. Yesterday the pen that was given against Liverpool was a one, and yet Liverpool fans are crying wolf over it.
Liverpool benefited from one very suspect pen decision and enjoyed the rewards of it, but up in arms about one given against them.
Can't always rely on refs to help you out
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You couldn't possibly be more wrong.
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You have to recognise "was a one" is a superb turn of phrase though.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/Itz_Zehzz/status/1174099596886380544?s=09
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Can't say from that angle, tbh. The question for me is whether Robertson has got a touch on the ball or not it seems like there's an ever-so-slight spin added to the ball as his foot comes down, but hard to tell from that angle.
If not, I'd be tempted to award that as a pen. Callejón clearly anticipates the contact and drags his trailing foot to 'help' the ref make his decision, but Robertson seems to have got himself in the wrong place and is at the very least going to impede the player's progress, if not bring him down outright.
It's a tough call though, and I can see Liverpool fans' case for saying it isn't a pen. That said, even if Robertson gets a brush of the ball, the mere fact that I'm still undecided after super-slowmo suggests it isn't really a "clear and obvious" error.
It's one of those cases where if this was Madrid on the wrong end of the decision I reckon I'd still say ref's call and accept that our player's poor judgement had given the ref a tough decision to make.
And that, on a European away night at one of the most passionate stadiums on the continent, is one I reckon most seasoned Liverpool fans will recognise is a decision that will very often go against.
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This
Please try and keep the debate unreasonable. I do not want to have to say this again. Thanks.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 14 minutes ago
No the penalty in the CL should have been given as that's the rules.
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By the letter of the law the CL final penalty was technically a penalty. I would have clamoured for it if it had happened up the other end.
I still think it’s a ridiculous rule though and imo if common sense was applied it wouldn’t have been a penalty.
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 14 minutes ago
No the penalty in the CL should have been given as that's the rules.
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By the letter of the law the CL final penalty was technically a penalty. I would have clamoured for it if it had happened up the other end.
I still think it’s a ridiculous rule though and imo if common sense was applied it wouldn’t have been a penalty.
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Yep I think it's a daft rule, or at least unreasonable. In fact I think Mane was looking for it. Man Utds winner vs PSG the same.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/Itz_Zehzz/status/1174099596886380544?s=09
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Can't say from that angle, tbh. The question for me is whether Robertson has got a touch on the ball or not it seems like there's an ever-so-slight spin added to the ball as his foot comes down, but hard to tell from that angle.
If not, I'd be tempted to award that as a pen. Callejón clearly anticipates the contact and drags his trailing foot to 'help' the ref make his decision, but Robertson seems to have got himself in the wrong place and is at the very least going to impede the player's progress, if not bring him down outright.
It's a tough call though, and I can see Liverpool fans' case for saying it isn't a pen. That said, even if Robertson gets a brush of the ball, the mere fact that I'm still undecided after super-slowmo suggests it isn't really a "clear and obvious" error.
It's one of those cases where if this was Madrid on the wrong end of the decision I reckon I'd still say ref's call and accept that our player's poor judgement had given the ref a tough decision to make.
And that, on a European away night at one of the most passionate stadiums on the continent, is one I reckon most seasoned Liverpool fans will recognise is a decision that will very often go against.
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Yes, all that is if you're ignoring the fact that he's already mid-dive.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 14 minutes ago
No the penalty in the CL should have been given as that's the rules.
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By the letter of the law the CL final penalty was technically a penalty. I would have clamoured for it if it had happened up the other end.
I still think it’s a ridiculous rule though and imo if common sense was applied it wouldn’t have been a penalty.
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Yep I think it's a daft rule, or at least unreasonable. In fact I think Mane was looking for it. Man Utds winner vs PSG the same.
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It was a penalty according to the rules though, so morespurs is an idiot.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 minutes ago
The irony is that the pen given in CL final shouldn't have been given and yet no Liverpool complained about being given it. Yesterday the pen that was given against Liverpool was a one, and yet Liverpool fans are crying wolf over it.
Liverpool benefited from one very suspect pen decision and enjoyed the rewards of it, but up in arms about one given against them.
Can't always rely on refs to help you out
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You couldn't possibly be more wrong.
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You have to recognise "was a one" is a superb turn of phrase though.
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Yeah I did notice that
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posted on 18/9/19
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 47 minutes ago
As regards Naby's post above, either I'm totally mistaken, or he (and many others) have misunderstood how VAR actually works:
For one, afaik, the ref ALWAYS has the final word. There's no scenario I know of where someone can come down from the VAR room and point to the penalty spot or centre circle. As much as they may try to persuade him, no-one in the VAR room can 'order' the ref to overturn a decision. They might tell him an incident is as stonewall as they like, but he doesn't have to take their opinion as bible, and they can't deny him the possibility to review an incident on video.
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Probably my mistake, I'm no expert on VAR.
I'm all in favour of the ref always being the final word on decisions and if that's the way it would work (rather than a VAR decision) I'm in favour. I think for the integrity of the role it has to be that way.
What I'm less happy with atm is VAR only flagging to the ref if there's a clear and obvious error. There will be incidents where they can say that with certainty but (as this thread shows) more often than not it's a judgement call.
It basically limits the number of incidents a ref can have a second look at and personally, as a fan of VAR, I'd prefer the ref gets a second look at marginal calls rather than getting the split second of live action.
To take last nights penalty incident, if the ref takes a second look at it and decides he's happy with the decision he made in the moment then fair enough. But I think it was a marginal enough decision to warrant a second look, we have the technology so let's give the ref the ability to do that.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
Havne't watched the incident last night, but if I'm not mistaken, isn't there a concept called 'impeding', whereby there doesn't even have to be actual physical contact for there to be a foul?
For example, if you lunge into a player, don't make contact, but avoiding your challenge means the player loses control of the ball, you can have a foul called against you.
You can raise your foot way too high, you don't need to take a player's head off for a foul to be given against.
So, just to play devil's advocate here, is it possible that in the ref's view, whatever it was that Robertson did last night was going to take the player out or impede his progress, regardless of how the player reacted before contact was made?
As I said, I'm just playing devil's advocate to try and see where the ref's decision might have come from.
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There was contact as well. Poor lad was just trying to change direction with the ball when Robertson turned his arssse into him. Super slow mo shows that the player took a few minutes to decide to dive into Robertson's leg though. He wrote a short proposal during that time regarding how he would go about deliberately jumping into Robertson's leg. The proposal is pretty clear in short slow mo.
posted on 18/9/19
https://twitter.com/Itz_Zehzz/status/1174099596886380544?s=09
posted on 18/9/19
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 6 minutes ago
"Havne't watched the incident last night, but if I'm not mistaken, isn't there a concept called 'impeding', whereby there doesn't even have to be actual physical contact for there to be a foul?"
I believe so but the player was already mid-air before he got to the space where Robertson would have impeded him. He dived too early and still got rewarded.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by 🏆🏆🏆Allison Chains🏆🏆🏆 (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
Decision given against my team = VAR will ultimately be a failure. Football does incredible things to the brain.
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So if one of your players was pulled over in the box and no pen is given, and despite having this new VAR technology to get rid of these sorts of errors, would you not also be frustrated?
Just an example.
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What about the handball by TAA that would often be given using VAR but wasn't on this occasion?
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I didn't see the game (hence using the Matip event) but if it was handball from TAA and missed by the ref then it should absolutely be a penalty.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/Itz_Zehzz/status/1174099596886380544?s=09
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Love it that this twitter account has labelled it as 'what actually happened' rather than the CGI version from the other angle.
posted on 18/9/19
Harry Maguire made exactly the same sort of challenge against Wolves earlier in the season. Swung at the ball, missed, contact then made with the opponent. Ref gave a FK, and booked Maguire.
posted on 18/9/19
The irony is that the pen given in CL final shouldn't have been given and yet no Liverpool complained about being given it. Yesterday the pen that was given against Liverpool was a one, and yet Liverpool fans are crying wolf over it.
Liverpool benefited from one very suspect pen decision and enjoyed the rewards of it, but up in arms about one given against them.
Can't always rely on refs to help you out
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/Itz_Zehzz/status/1174099596886380544?s=09
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Love it that this twitter account has labelled it as 'what actually happened' rather than the CGI version from the other angle.
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The other angle is like looking at a cube exactly side on and saying it's definitely just a square. This angle clearly shows that it's a cube.
posted on 18/9/19
No the penalty in the CL should have been given as that's the rules.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 minutes ago
The irony is that the pen given in CL final shouldn't have been given and yet no Liverpool complained about being given it. Yesterday the pen that was given against Liverpool was a one, and yet Liverpool fans are crying wolf over it.
Liverpool benefited from one very suspect pen decision and enjoyed the rewards of it, but up in arms about one given against them.
Can't always rely on refs to help you out
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You couldn't possibly be more wrong.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
No the penalty in the CL should have been given as that's the rules.
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What about TAA's handball yesterday then? Or was the rule on holiday?
posted on 18/9/19
According to the rules as harsh as they are both should have been given when reviewed by VAR
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/Itz_Zehzz/status/1174099596886380544?s=09
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Can't say from that angle, tbh. The question for me is whether Robertson has got a touch on the ball or not it seems like there's an ever-so-slight spin added to the ball as his foot comes down, but hard to tell from that angle.
If not, I'd be tempted to award that as a pen. Callejón clearly anticipates the contact and drags his trailing foot to 'help' the ref make his decision, but Robertson seems to have got himself in the wrong place and is at the very least going to impede the player's progress, if not bring him down outright.
It's a tough call though, and I can see Liverpool fans' case for saying it isn't a pen. That said, even if Robertson gets a brush of the ball, the mere fact that I'm still undecided after super-slowmo suggests it isn't really a "clear and obvious" error.
It's one of those cases where if this was Madrid on the wrong end of the decision I reckon I'd still say ref's call and accept that our player's poor judgement had given the ref a tough decision to make.
And that, on a European away night at one of the most passionate stadiums on the continent, is one I reckon most seasoned Liverpool fans will recognise is a decision that will very often go against.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 minutes ago
The irony is that the pen given in CL final shouldn't have been given and yet no Liverpool complained about being given it. Yesterday the pen that was given against Liverpool was a one, and yet Liverpool fans are crying wolf over it.
Liverpool benefited from one very suspect pen decision and enjoyed the rewards of it, but up in arms about one given against them.
Can't always rely on refs to help you out
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You couldn't possibly be more wrong.
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Let Watford Morespurs have his say.
Why shouldn't that pen have stood?
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
No the penalty in the CL should have been given as that's the rules.
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What about TAA's handball yesterday then? Or was the rule on holiday?
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You'd have to post a twitter replay otherwise it didnt happen.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 minutes ago
The irony is that the pen given in CL final shouldn't have been given and yet no Liverpool complained about being given it. Yesterday the pen that was given against Liverpool was a one, and yet Liverpool fans are crying wolf over it.
Liverpool benefited from one very suspect pen decision and enjoyed the rewards of it, but up in arms about one given against them.
Can't always rely on refs to help you out
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You couldn't possibly be more wrong.
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You have to recognise "was a one" is a superb turn of phrase though.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/Itz_Zehzz/status/1174099596886380544?s=09
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Can't say from that angle, tbh. The question for me is whether Robertson has got a touch on the ball or not it seems like there's an ever-so-slight spin added to the ball as his foot comes down, but hard to tell from that angle.
If not, I'd be tempted to award that as a pen. Callejón clearly anticipates the contact and drags his trailing foot to 'help' the ref make his decision, but Robertson seems to have got himself in the wrong place and is at the very least going to impede the player's progress, if not bring him down outright.
It's a tough call though, and I can see Liverpool fans' case for saying it isn't a pen. That said, even if Robertson gets a brush of the ball, the mere fact that I'm still undecided after super-slowmo suggests it isn't really a "clear and obvious" error.
It's one of those cases where if this was Madrid on the wrong end of the decision I reckon I'd still say ref's call and accept that our player's poor judgement had given the ref a tough decision to make.
And that, on a European away night at one of the most passionate stadiums on the continent, is one I reckon most seasoned Liverpool fans will recognise is a decision that will very often go against.
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This
posted on 18/9/19
Please try and keep the debate unreasonable. I do not want to have to say this again. Thanks.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 14 minutes ago
No the penalty in the CL should have been given as that's the rules.
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By the letter of the law the CL final penalty was technically a penalty. I would have clamoured for it if it had happened up the other end.
I still think it’s a ridiculous rule though and imo if common sense was applied it wouldn’t have been a penalty.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 14 minutes ago
No the penalty in the CL should have been given as that's the rules.
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By the letter of the law the CL final penalty was technically a penalty. I would have clamoured for it if it had happened up the other end.
I still think it’s a ridiculous rule though and imo if common sense was applied it wouldn’t have been a penalty.
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Yep I think it's a daft rule, or at least unreasonable. In fact I think Mane was looking for it. Man Utds winner vs PSG the same.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/Itz_Zehzz/status/1174099596886380544?s=09
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Can't say from that angle, tbh. The question for me is whether Robertson has got a touch on the ball or not it seems like there's an ever-so-slight spin added to the ball as his foot comes down, but hard to tell from that angle.
If not, I'd be tempted to award that as a pen. Callejón clearly anticipates the contact and drags his trailing foot to 'help' the ref make his decision, but Robertson seems to have got himself in the wrong place and is at the very least going to impede the player's progress, if not bring him down outright.
It's a tough call though, and I can see Liverpool fans' case for saying it isn't a pen. That said, even if Robertson gets a brush of the ball, the mere fact that I'm still undecided after super-slowmo suggests it isn't really a "clear and obvious" error.
It's one of those cases where if this was Madrid on the wrong end of the decision I reckon I'd still say ref's call and accept that our player's poor judgement had given the ref a tough decision to make.
And that, on a European away night at one of the most passionate stadiums on the continent, is one I reckon most seasoned Liverpool fans will recognise is a decision that will very often go against.
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Yes, all that is if you're ignoring the fact that he's already mid-dive.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 14 minutes ago
No the penalty in the CL should have been given as that's the rules.
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By the letter of the law the CL final penalty was technically a penalty. I would have clamoured for it if it had happened up the other end.
I still think it’s a ridiculous rule though and imo if common sense was applied it wouldn’t have been a penalty.
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Yep I think it's a daft rule, or at least unreasonable. In fact I think Mane was looking for it. Man Utds winner vs PSG the same.
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It was a penalty according to the rules though, so morespurs is an idiot.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 minutes ago
The irony is that the pen given in CL final shouldn't have been given and yet no Liverpool complained about being given it. Yesterday the pen that was given against Liverpool was a one, and yet Liverpool fans are crying wolf over it.
Liverpool benefited from one very suspect pen decision and enjoyed the rewards of it, but up in arms about one given against them.
Can't always rely on refs to help you out
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You couldn't possibly be more wrong.
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You have to recognise "was a one" is a superb turn of phrase though.
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Yeah I did notice that
posted on 18/9/19
Was a one
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