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It's not even the results exactly or individual player peeformances it's the lack of any sort of direction, improvement in the mentality or ability to learn from glaring repeated mistakes.
Over a year in and it's hard to tell what he sees as an end goal for the side, I think that's because he's not building to anything in particular in terms of team style.
Generally the sides that have done well consistently (while always capable evolving) at least had a recognisable style that worked consistently for them, something the players could grow into together.
The squad is good enough to do a lot better, from what I've seen Emery shouldn't last beyond Christmas if some sort of master plan doesn't at least start to show by then.
Over a year in and it's hard to tell what he sees as an end goal for the side
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Really? It is very clear he wants to play 4-3-3, where the full backs offer the attacking width. Xhaka as a DLP, with two midfielders pressing higher. He also wants those two to be creative. Then two inverted wide attackers, and the striker.
The only question mark I have over his first xi is whether Torreira gets into his best xi or Guendouzi has overtaken him. Otherwise it is simple; Leno, Bellerin, Sokratis, Luiz, Tierney, Xhaka, Ceballos, Auba, Pepe, Laca when everyone is fit.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 32 minutes ago
Over a year in and it's hard to tell what he sees as an end goal for the side
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Really? It is very clear he wants to play 4-3-3, where the full backs offer the attacking width. Xhaka as a DLP, with two midfielders pressing higher. He also wants those two to be creative. Then two inverted wide attackers, and the striker.
The only question mark I have over his first xi is whether Torreira gets into his best xi or Guendouzi has overtaken him. Otherwise it is simple; Leno, Bellerin, Sokratis, Luiz, Tierney, Xhaka, Ceballos, Auba, Pepe, Laca when everyone is fit.
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The fact you're suggesting that Xhaka is in his plans for a key role surely rules him out as a legitimate choice for a manager long term regardless
Defence would be a total joke in that system even with a decent DLM/P anyway.
I don't agree he's even clear with that plan though, think you're seeing things based on his past teams that jave barely been touched on during his time at Arsenal. Not in a consistent way where the players look like they're learning
Any manager who gets David Luiz in as the solution to a weak and porous defence and a team with a poor mentality needs his head examined as well as being fired immediately.
Kieran Tierney is a great buy in the long term...absolutely no question about it....but it is obvious that Arsenal needed immediate improvement at the back. The league will be lost before Tierney is a regular starter in the team so you have to question if it was the right move for arsenal at that time.
Also, Tierney will spend so much time worrying about Luiz and covering up for him that his attacking threat will be nullified.
Having said that...arsenal fans will be delighted with Tierney in the long run. I've watched him since he was a lad and he will be world class. A much better defender than Robertson and probably better going forward too. With the right coach and team mates, he'll have almosy as big an impact on arsenal than vvd has had on liverpool.
The league will be lost before Tierney is a regular starter
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We never had a chance for the league.
Emery is leading the way in most of these stats
Most shots conceded, close to a 100 in 5 games
Most errors leading to a goal
Most penalties
There are many more negative stats like this
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 15 minutes ago
The league will be lost before Tierney is a regular starter
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We never had a chance for the league.
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Agreed....but you should be able to compete for a couple of months before throwing in the towel completely.
This season is simply about getting CL. Has to be done, no real excuse not to. Last season was a bit of a free hit for Emery, but this season I have little doubt he will be replaced if he doesnt get that minimum target.
The fact you're suggesting that Xhaka is in his plans for a key role surely rules him out as a legitimate choice for a manager long term regardless
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Xhaka is captain, of course he is in the managers plans.
Will be gone at end of season . not the man to take the club forward .
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 hours, 32 minutes ago
This season is simply about getting CL. Has to be done, no real excuse not to. Last season was a bit of a free hit for Emery, but this season I have little doubt he will be replaced if he doesnt get that minimum target.
The fact you're suggesting that Xhaka is in his plans for a key role surely rules him out as a legitimate choice for a manager long term regardless
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Xhaka is captain, of course he is in the managers plans.
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Does that not concern you? That he clearly rates such an awful player. What's the point of keeping a manager who can't judge a players quality
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 hours, 32 minutes ago
This season is simply about getting CL. Has to be done, no real excuse not to. Last season was a bit of a free hit for Emery, but this season I have little doubt he will be replaced if he doesnt get that minimum target.
The fact you're suggesting that Xhaka is in his plans for a key role surely rules him out as a legitimate choice for a manager long term regardless
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Xhaka is captain, of course he is in the managers plans.
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Does that not concern you? That he clearly rates such an awful player. What's the point of keeping a manager who can't judge a players quality
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Thats what has created the most doubt on Emery. What was refreshing last season was his fearlessness in shaking things up. This season he is doing the opposite. I think he has lost confidence and is bailing out by handing power over to the dressing room, and specifically the loudest in it, just like Wenger did in his final years.
I don't know when the board will move if Emery continues this weakness but when it does we will need a big name to right the ship!
The team that had 31 shots against Arsenal are 5-0 down after 18 minutes and are the bottom team.
Our problem is in centre midfield. Thats where counter attacks spring from, 3 of Man City goals came from that and is also where we are supposed to screen our defence. We are just too slow in CM in both phases of play.
I wonder what the dressing room think of Xhaka now!
City 8 Watford 0 * not finished!
Think City could beat us by 6 or 7
They definitely will if we go into the game 'scared'. Norwich turned over Man City because of a little luck and some belief. You don't need cowards in the team or as captain. How will you ever build confidence to improve if you don't believe in yourself?
Castor Troy going by how dominant Watford were against Arsenal, try about 12 or 13 lol.
Emery should be fired at the end of the season if not before. He is completely out of his depth in the Premier League. I just hope he goes before Auba and Laca do. If they go we are seriously f****d. Our new signings have all been poor. Ceballos had one good game but has looked lightweight since then. Pepe looks like a lazy show pony with no bottle. Completely outplayed by an 18 year old Saka the other night. Luiz is just another poser who will always contrive to lose you the game.
Both our midfield and defence are a shambles. You will see that Bellerin is not a very good defender. It’s going to be yet another very frustrating and disappointing season unless we get a new manager at Xmas and even then he will have to work miracles.
Totally agree , any team in the league would concede loads of goals too if they had a midfield like ours, their is no tracking runners , no covering gaps and no link at all with the defenders , whenever we get the ball away it comes straight back because the midfield isn't getting and holding the ball, Im sure this is part of the reason why were playing the stupid short goal kicks too because the midfield are not picking up anything loose when we play long. The defence is taking all the stick and they deserve a lot of it because of stupid penalties and errors etc but the pressure is coming from no defensive midfield.
Results wise it's not a crisis, still early in the season and we're in a decent position, it's that a lot of fans are now feeling that he's not the right man going forward.
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
The team that had 31 shots against Arsenal are 5-0 down after 18 minutes and are the bottom team.
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You should worry about your own JOKE OF A TEAM
Dexter Morgan we dominate games and lose. Arsenal get outplayed most games.
Football is like that teams can play well and not win regularly like Man Utd.
Always give manager a season but this second season is worse than first. No identity whatsoever. Allegri is available
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posted on 20/9/19
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posted on 21/9/19
It's not even the results exactly or individual player peeformances it's the lack of any sort of direction, improvement in the mentality or ability to learn from glaring repeated mistakes.
Over a year in and it's hard to tell what he sees as an end goal for the side, I think that's because he's not building to anything in particular in terms of team style.
Generally the sides that have done well consistently (while always capable evolving) at least had a recognisable style that worked consistently for them, something the players could grow into together.
The squad is good enough to do a lot better, from what I've seen Emery shouldn't last beyond Christmas if some sort of master plan doesn't at least start to show by then.
posted on 21/9/19
Over a year in and it's hard to tell what he sees as an end goal for the side
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Really? It is very clear he wants to play 4-3-3, where the full backs offer the attacking width. Xhaka as a DLP, with two midfielders pressing higher. He also wants those two to be creative. Then two inverted wide attackers, and the striker.
The only question mark I have over his first xi is whether Torreira gets into his best xi or Guendouzi has overtaken him. Otherwise it is simple; Leno, Bellerin, Sokratis, Luiz, Tierney, Xhaka, Ceballos, Auba, Pepe, Laca when everyone is fit.
posted on 21/9/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 32 minutes ago
Over a year in and it's hard to tell what he sees as an end goal for the side
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Really? It is very clear he wants to play 4-3-3, where the full backs offer the attacking width. Xhaka as a DLP, with two midfielders pressing higher. He also wants those two to be creative. Then two inverted wide attackers, and the striker.
The only question mark I have over his first xi is whether Torreira gets into his best xi or Guendouzi has overtaken him. Otherwise it is simple; Leno, Bellerin, Sokratis, Luiz, Tierney, Xhaka, Ceballos, Auba, Pepe, Laca when everyone is fit.
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The fact you're suggesting that Xhaka is in his plans for a key role surely rules him out as a legitimate choice for a manager long term regardless
Defence would be a total joke in that system even with a decent DLM/P anyway.
I don't agree he's even clear with that plan though, think you're seeing things based on his past teams that jave barely been touched on during his time at Arsenal. Not in a consistent way where the players look like they're learning
posted on 21/9/19
Any manager who gets David Luiz in as the solution to a weak and porous defence and a team with a poor mentality needs his head examined as well as being fired immediately.
Kieran Tierney is a great buy in the long term...absolutely no question about it....but it is obvious that Arsenal needed immediate improvement at the back. The league will be lost before Tierney is a regular starter in the team so you have to question if it was the right move for arsenal at that time.
Also, Tierney will spend so much time worrying about Luiz and covering up for him that his attacking threat will be nullified.
Having said that...arsenal fans will be delighted with Tierney in the long run. I've watched him since he was a lad and he will be world class. A much better defender than Robertson and probably better going forward too. With the right coach and team mates, he'll have almosy as big an impact on arsenal than vvd has had on liverpool.
posted on 21/9/19
The league will be lost before Tierney is a regular starter
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We never had a chance for the league.
posted on 21/9/19
Emery is leading the way in most of these stats
Most shots conceded, close to a 100 in 5 games
Most errors leading to a goal
Most penalties
There are many more negative stats like this
posted on 21/9/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 15 minutes ago
The league will be lost before Tierney is a regular starter
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We never had a chance for the league.
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Agreed....but you should be able to compete for a couple of months before throwing in the towel completely.
posted on 21/9/19
This season is simply about getting CL. Has to be done, no real excuse not to. Last season was a bit of a free hit for Emery, but this season I have little doubt he will be replaced if he doesnt get that minimum target.
The fact you're suggesting that Xhaka is in his plans for a key role surely rules him out as a legitimate choice for a manager long term regardless
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Xhaka is captain, of course he is in the managers plans.
posted on 21/9/19
Will be gone at end of season . not the man to take the club forward .
posted on 21/9/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 hours, 32 minutes ago
This season is simply about getting CL. Has to be done, no real excuse not to. Last season was a bit of a free hit for Emery, but this season I have little doubt he will be replaced if he doesnt get that minimum target.
The fact you're suggesting that Xhaka is in his plans for a key role surely rules him out as a legitimate choice for a manager long term regardless
-------
Xhaka is captain, of course he is in the managers plans.
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Does that not concern you? That he clearly rates such an awful player. What's the point of keeping a manager who can't judge a players quality
posted on 21/9/19
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 hours, 32 minutes ago
This season is simply about getting CL. Has to be done, no real excuse not to. Last season was a bit of a free hit for Emery, but this season I have little doubt he will be replaced if he doesnt get that minimum target.
The fact you're suggesting that Xhaka is in his plans for a key role surely rules him out as a legitimate choice for a manager long term regardless
-------
Xhaka is captain, of course he is in the managers plans.
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Does that not concern you? That he clearly rates such an awful player. What's the point of keeping a manager who can't judge a players quality
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Thats what has created the most doubt on Emery. What was refreshing last season was his fearlessness in shaking things up. This season he is doing the opposite. I think he has lost confidence and is bailing out by handing power over to the dressing room, and specifically the loudest in it, just like Wenger did in his final years.
I don't know when the board will move if Emery continues this weakness but when it does we will need a big name to right the ship!
posted on 21/9/19
The team that had 31 shots against Arsenal are 5-0 down after 18 minutes and are the bottom team.
posted on 21/9/19
Our problem is in centre midfield. Thats where counter attacks spring from, 3 of Man City goals came from that and is also where we are supposed to screen our defence. We are just too slow in CM in both phases of play.
posted on 21/9/19
I wonder what the dressing room think of Xhaka now!
posted on 21/9/19
City 8 Watford 0 * not finished!
posted on 21/9/19
Think City could beat us by 6 or 7
posted on 21/9/19
They definitely will if we go into the game 'scared'. Norwich turned over Man City because of a little luck and some belief. You don't need cowards in the team or as captain. How will you ever build confidence to improve if you don't believe in yourself?
posted on 21/9/19
Castor Troy going by how dominant Watford were against Arsenal, try about 12 or 13 lol.
posted on 21/9/19
Emery should be fired at the end of the season if not before. He is completely out of his depth in the Premier League. I just hope he goes before Auba and Laca do. If they go we are seriously f****d. Our new signings have all been poor. Ceballos had one good game but has looked lightweight since then. Pepe looks like a lazy show pony with no bottle. Completely outplayed by an 18 year old Saka the other night. Luiz is just another poser who will always contrive to lose you the game.
Both our midfield and defence are a shambles. You will see that Bellerin is not a very good defender. It’s going to be yet another very frustrating and disappointing season unless we get a new manager at Xmas and even then he will have to work miracles.
posted on 21/9/19
Totally agree , any team in the league would concede loads of goals too if they had a midfield like ours, their is no tracking runners , no covering gaps and no link at all with the defenders , whenever we get the ball away it comes straight back because the midfield isn't getting and holding the ball, Im sure this is part of the reason why were playing the stupid short goal kicks too because the midfield are not picking up anything loose when we play long. The defence is taking all the stick and they deserve a lot of it because of stupid penalties and errors etc but the pressure is coming from no defensive midfield.
posted on 21/9/19
Results wise it's not a crisis, still early in the season and we're in a decent position, it's that a lot of fans are now feeling that he's not the right man going forward.
posted on 22/9/19
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
The team that had 31 shots against Arsenal are 5-0 down after 18 minutes and are the bottom team.
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You should worry about your own JOKE OF A TEAM
posted on 22/9/19
Dexter Morgan we dominate games and lose. Arsenal get outplayed most games.
Football is like that teams can play well and not win regularly like Man Utd.
posted on 22/9/19
Always give manager a season but this second season is worse than first. No identity whatsoever. Allegri is available
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