Four red cards in four games? Has Berardi been giving his misses one?
comment by All the Bielsa ringing (U19827)
posted 4 minutes ago
Four red cards in four games? Has Berardi been giving his misses one?
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What, a kicking?
If this referee has done a bias against any team he shouldn't be allowed to referee any other game, he should have his licence taken away and sacked!..
4 reds in 4 games against one team, surely it has to be looked at and seen how many reds he's given to others!..
The authorities do nothing than the truth about them being bias to Leeds will be out!..
Doesn't repair the damage though, does it. Bradshaw should be heavily sanctioned and publicly shamed, like Bamford, and Linington should be dereffed, for starters.
Maybe the players can use this for motivation to push a bit harder.
Is Strujk back from injury yet? I'd rather not see Ayling or Phillips as centre backs - Ayling isn't good enough in this role and Phillips can do it but is too valuable in his usual role.
Even so, I thought we showed a lot of spirit yesterday. We didn't capitulate.
I for one don't expect anything from the authorities .After this club has always been screwed to the wall.Why should this time be any different.
Shaun your first para says no contact... your point 1, says next to none. Which means there was contact. Which is it?
Didn’t look like any to me but it’s hard to tell. Very harsh penalty and even if it was one, it was clearly accidental and cover was there, so it shouldn’t be a red if I understand the rules (which i probably don’t)
So on appeal, that’s a 10 game ban for Berardi and 5 points deduction for the club then.
At the very least Phillips being the last man should mean its removed.
To be honest I cant see how that red card can stand.
It wont get turned over because its us.
Theyll probably increase Berardis ban
to shove it to us more.
That ref needs fooking banning.
Next to no. I watched again and Bradshaw trails his leg to very very slightly catch Berardi. At the end of the day it needs revoking at the very least as per what Matty said. Regardless if its a penalty, its not a red.
The ban is wishful thinking.
Excerpt from the Laws of the Game 2019/20, Law 12:
Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.
The following must be considered:
• distance between the offence and the goal
• general direction of the play
• likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
. Location And number of defenders.
No mention of “last man.”
comment by JonnyLosAngeles (My Dad was made in Leeds) עם ישראל חי (U9756)
posted 28 minutes ago
Excerpt from the Laws of the Game 2019/20, Law 12:
Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.
The following must be considered:
• distance between the offence and the goal
• general direction of the play
• likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
. Location And number of defenders.
No mention of “last man.”
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Doesn't "location And number of defenders" cover the "last man" bit?
If there was any contact it was initiated by the attacker unnaturally throwing his leg back. (I don't think there was contact.)
This should be a stonewall reversal of the red card.
Jonny, 4 reds in 4 games suggests someone has it in for someone!..
Whats the rules governing bias from officials when there is a law in place that's meant to protect teams from this sort of thing?..
If there is a law than this Muppet should be made an example off and dismissed from his job!..
‘Location and number of defenders’ is definitely the technical version of last man
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 56 seconds ago
‘Location and number of defenders’ is definitely the technical version of last man
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He had 3 players around him and was heading ascorss goal, not towards it. Ball got away and he went down. What happened to the double jeopardy rule?
We were cheated out of that game by the ref, we would have comfortably beaten them if not for that pen & red card.
Very harsh and a hard one to take.
https://roblufc.org/2019/10/06/leeds-robbed-at-millwall-by-blatant-dive-and-incompetent-ref-by-rob-atkinson/
Check out that image.
Also done some checks to see whether the 4 reds in 4 is accurate, it is very close. We have had him ref our games 5 times in the last 6 seasons. He has sent off our our players in 4 of those 5.
* In 2014 he sent off 2 against Watford
* In 2015 he didn't send any one off but he branded 5 yellows v Forest.
* In 2017 he sent Berardi off for a challenge on Madine (dive)
* He sent off Berardi v Millwall for a challenge on Bradshaw (dive)
I am sure that I read somewhere that the ref is a fan of that lot from across the Pennines, might explain a lot!!
Is it the EFL or FA that officiates on this. Hopefully not the Football League they do not have a good track record.
If we had VAR would it be deemed a clear and obvious error (there was a similar incident in a Premier League match yesterday, I was half asleep so cannot remember what game but when nothing was given than in the Bera incident).
That said, I doubt the powers that be will overturn this decision, shocking as it is, they will not want to undermine a referee.
comment by Wetherby White - (Formally Harrogate) (U6810)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
We were cheated out of that game by the ref, we would have comfortably beaten them if not for that pen & red card.
Very harsh and a hard one to take.
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Not to mention a stonewall penalty denied when Harrison was clattered in the box. How could he award a penalty against Berardi and not give us the penalty when Harrison had his legs taken from beneath him?
My initial reaction to the news on Saturday was to condemn Berardi out of hand! I was wrong on this occasion, unjust decision.
However, I stand by my view that overall he is a continuous liability and isn't a good enough player to justify risking these outcomes. Can't head a ball, has no pace and adds nothing going forward.
Nevertheless, the red card should be overturned.
comment by Sol (U2745)
posted 12 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by JonnyLosAngeles (My Dad was made in Leeds) עם ישראל חי (U9756)
posted 28 minutes ago
Excerpt from the Laws of the Game 2019/20, Law 12:
Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.
The following must be considered:
• distance between the offence and the goal
• general direction of the play
• likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
. Location And number of defenders.
No mention of “last man.”
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Doesn't "location And number of defenders" cover the "last man" bit?
If there was any contact it was initiated by the attacker unnaturally throwing his leg back. (I don't think there was contact.)
This should be a stonewall reversal of the red card.
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Sol, watching live, I opined to those around me that it looked like incidental , inadvertent contact and that while a free kick would probably be given if it happened in the middle of the pitch, to award a penalty, and thus give Nilwall a goal, was ridiculous. That said, if it is a penalty, then it must be a red card as it could not be a challenge with a reasonable Vance of winning the ball and he would have had a shot on goal with just the keeper to beat. Phillips was at least a step behind and no chance of challenging for the ball or blocking the shot.
Just my opinion, of course.
Dermot Gallagher on Ref Watch today said it was definitely not a red and a poor decision.
Seems like the only 1 who thinks it was a pen was the atkinson has to be looked at.
Nobody cares about reffing decisions below the Prem.
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posted on 6/10/19
Four red cards in four games? Has Berardi been giving his misses one?
posted on 6/10/19
comment by All the Bielsa ringing (U19827)
posted 4 minutes ago
Four red cards in four games? Has Berardi been giving his misses one?
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What, a kicking?
posted on 6/10/19
If this referee has done a bias against any team he shouldn't be allowed to referee any other game, he should have his licence taken away and sacked!..
4 reds in 4 games against one team, surely it has to be looked at and seen how many reds he's given to others!..
The authorities do nothing than the truth about them being bias to Leeds will be out!..
posted on 6/10/19
Doesn't repair the damage though, does it. Bradshaw should be heavily sanctioned and publicly shamed, like Bamford, and Linington should be dereffed, for starters.
Maybe the players can use this for motivation to push a bit harder.
Is Strujk back from injury yet? I'd rather not see Ayling or Phillips as centre backs - Ayling isn't good enough in this role and Phillips can do it but is too valuable in his usual role.
Even so, I thought we showed a lot of spirit yesterday. We didn't capitulate.
posted on 6/10/19
I for one don't expect anything from the authorities .After this club has always been screwed to the wall.Why should this time be any different.
posted on 6/10/19
Shaun your first para says no contact... your point 1, says next to none. Which means there was contact. Which is it?
Didn’t look like any to me but it’s hard to tell. Very harsh penalty and even if it was one, it was clearly accidental and cover was there, so it shouldn’t be a red if I understand the rules (which i probably don’t)
So on appeal, that’s a 10 game ban for Berardi and 5 points deduction for the club then.
posted on 6/10/19
At the very least Phillips being the last man should mean its removed.
To be honest I cant see how that red card can stand.
posted on 6/10/19
It wont get turned over because its us.
Theyll probably increase Berardis ban
to shove it to us more.
That ref needs fooking banning.
posted on 6/10/19
Next to no. I watched again and Bradshaw trails his leg to very very slightly catch Berardi. At the end of the day it needs revoking at the very least as per what Matty said. Regardless if its a penalty, its not a red.
The ban is wishful thinking.
posted on 6/10/19
Excerpt from the Laws of the Game 2019/20, Law 12:
Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.
The following must be considered:
• distance between the offence and the goal
• general direction of the play
• likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
. Location And number of defenders.
No mention of “last man.”
posted on 6/10/19
comment by JonnyLosAngeles (My Dad was made in Leeds) עם ישראל חי (U9756)
posted 28 minutes ago
Excerpt from the Laws of the Game 2019/20, Law 12:
Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.
The following must be considered:
• distance between the offence and the goal
• general direction of the play
• likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
. Location And number of defenders.
No mention of “last man.”
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Doesn't "location And number of defenders" cover the "last man" bit?
If there was any contact it was initiated by the attacker unnaturally throwing his leg back. (I don't think there was contact.)
This should be a stonewall reversal of the red card.
posted on 7/10/19
Jonny, 4 reds in 4 games suggests someone has it in for someone!..
Whats the rules governing bias from officials when there is a law in place that's meant to protect teams from this sort of thing?..
If there is a law than this Muppet should be made an example off and dismissed from his job!..
posted on 7/10/19
‘Location and number of defenders’ is definitely the technical version of last man
posted on 7/10/19
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 56 seconds ago
‘Location and number of defenders’ is definitely the technical version of last man
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He had 3 players around him and was heading ascorss goal, not towards it. Ball got away and he went down. What happened to the double jeopardy rule?
posted on 7/10/19
We were cheated out of that game by the ref, we would have comfortably beaten them if not for that pen & red card.
Very harsh and a hard one to take.
posted on 7/10/19
https://roblufc.org/2019/10/06/leeds-robbed-at-millwall-by-blatant-dive-and-incompetent-ref-by-rob-atkinson/
Check out that image.
posted on 7/10/19
Also done some checks to see whether the 4 reds in 4 is accurate, it is very close. We have had him ref our games 5 times in the last 6 seasons. He has sent off our our players in 4 of those 5.
* In 2014 he sent off 2 against Watford
* In 2015 he didn't send any one off but he branded 5 yellows v Forest.
* In 2017 he sent Berardi off for a challenge on Madine (dive)
* He sent off Berardi v Millwall for a challenge on Bradshaw (dive)
posted on 7/10/19
I am sure that I read somewhere that the ref is a fan of that lot from across the Pennines, might explain a lot!!
posted on 7/10/19
Is it the EFL or FA that officiates on this. Hopefully not the Football League they do not have a good track record.
If we had VAR would it be deemed a clear and obvious error (there was a similar incident in a Premier League match yesterday, I was half asleep so cannot remember what game but when nothing was given than in the Bera incident).
That said, I doubt the powers that be will overturn this decision, shocking as it is, they will not want to undermine a referee.
posted on 7/10/19
comment by Wetherby White - (Formally Harrogate) (U6810)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
We were cheated out of that game by the ref, we would have comfortably beaten them if not for that pen & red card.
Very harsh and a hard one to take.
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Not to mention a stonewall penalty denied when Harrison was clattered in the box. How could he award a penalty against Berardi and not give us the penalty when Harrison had his legs taken from beneath him?
posted on 7/10/19
My initial reaction to the news on Saturday was to condemn Berardi out of hand! I was wrong on this occasion, unjust decision.
However, I stand by my view that overall he is a continuous liability and isn't a good enough player to justify risking these outcomes. Can't head a ball, has no pace and adds nothing going forward.
Nevertheless, the red card should be overturned.
posted on 7/10/19
comment by Sol (U2745)
posted 12 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by JonnyLosAngeles (My Dad was made in Leeds) עם ישראל חי (U9756)
posted 28 minutes ago
Excerpt from the Laws of the Game 2019/20, Law 12:
Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.
The following must be considered:
• distance between the offence and the goal
• general direction of the play
• likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
. Location And number of defenders.
No mention of “last man.”
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Doesn't "location And number of defenders" cover the "last man" bit?
If there was any contact it was initiated by the attacker unnaturally throwing his leg back. (I don't think there was contact.)
This should be a stonewall reversal of the red card.
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Sol, watching live, I opined to those around me that it looked like incidental , inadvertent contact and that while a free kick would probably be given if it happened in the middle of the pitch, to award a penalty, and thus give Nilwall a goal, was ridiculous. That said, if it is a penalty, then it must be a red card as it could not be a challenge with a reasonable Vance of winning the ball and he would have had a shot on goal with just the keeper to beat. Phillips was at least a step behind and no chance of challenging for the ball or blocking the shot.
Just my opinion, of course.
posted on 7/10/19
Dermot Gallagher on Ref Watch today said it was definitely not a red and a poor decision.
posted on 7/10/19
Seems like the only 1 who thinks it was a pen was the atkinson has to be looked at.
posted on 7/10/19
Nobody cares about reffing decisions below the Prem.
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