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comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 14/10/19

“Another one is the owner of an Italian club. With another club you can create synergy to be more competitive and to target the Premier League — we could maybe get a loan to increase the quality of the team.”
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Maybe getting a loan, is not exactly matching Man City...

posted on 14/10/19

From the bit I could read it seems interesting enough. Not sure we've not had these tempters before and stories of untold riches being provided to the club.

Would be nice to be around the top table again.

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 14/10/19

He says he has had 20 potentials and he has chosen 3.

If he thinks it’s good idea to sell to Italian owner as we might get a loanee, it speaks volumes.

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 14/10/19

Here’s a readable link vof

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/latest-leeds-united-news/andrea-radrizzani-reveals-trio-offers-stake-leeds-united-including-qatari-sports-investment-proposal-813533

comment by Stoopo (U4707)

posted on 14/10/19

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 13 minutes ago
He says he has had 20 potentials and he has chosen 3.

If he thinks it’s good idea to sell to Italian owner as we might get a loanee, it speaks volumes.
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Not sure he’s talking about loanees. I read it as a monetary loan. Either way it’s not an option I would choose but then it’s not my £90m that he’s put in a d not my job to sustain the losses that the club are making each year.

posted on 14/10/19

Interesting read. I wonder when was the last time Man City had any player on loan?

Pretty much admits we're unsustainable in this league ….. seriously need promotion !!

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 14/10/19

comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 13 minutes ago
He says he has had 20 potentials and he has chosen 3.

If he thinks it’s good idea to sell to Italian owner as we might get a loanee, it speaks volumes.
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Not sure he’s talking about loanees. I read it as a monetary loan. Either way it’s not an option I would choose but then it’s not my £90m that he’s put in a d not my job to sustain the losses that the club are making each year.


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could maybe get a loan to increase the quality of the team.”
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Really not sure how that can be interpreted as a monetary loan.

comment by Stoopo (U4707)

posted on 14/10/19

The American is hugely wealthy according to the times article.

Not sure he’s talking about a player on loan VOF.

He knows we need to go up this season and knows we need extra come January but he also knows that needs money he’s either not got or he’s not prepared to risk.

He also knows if we don’t go up then it will cost a massive amount to reset the club and go again.

comment by Stoopo (U4707)

posted on 14/10/19

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 13 minutes ago
He says he has had 20 potentials and he has chosen 3.

If he thinks it’s good idea to sell to Italian owner as we might get a loanee, it speaks volumes.
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Not sure he’s talking about loanees. I read it as a monetary loan. Either way it’s not an option I would choose but then it’s not my £90m that he’s put in a d not my job to sustain the losses that the club are making each year.


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could maybe get a loan to increase the quality of the team.”
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Really not sure how that can be interpreted as a monetary loan.
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Errr - get a monetary loan and buy better players?

One loanee is hardly going to crack it!

posted on 14/10/19

The Italians Cellino

posted on 14/10/19

comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 14 minutes ago
The American is hugely wealthy according to the times article.

Not sure he’s talking about a player on loan VOF.

He knows we need to go up this season and knows we need extra come January but he also knows that needs money he’s either not got or he’s not prepared to risk.

He also knows if we don’t go up then it will cost a massive amount to reset the club and go again.
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It's just vague Stoopo …… could be a loan financially, could be a player. I only had a quick skim read, but interpretation could be either way.

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 14/10/19

comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 13 minutes ago
He says he has had 20 potentials and he has chosen 3.

If he thinks it’s good idea to sell to Italian owner as we might get a loanee, it speaks volumes.
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Not sure he’s talking about loanees. I read it as a monetary loan. Either way it’s not an option I would choose but then it’s not my £90m that he’s put in a d not my job to sustain the losses that the club are making each year.


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could maybe get a loan to increase the quality of the team.”
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Really not sure how that can be interpreted as a monetary loan.
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Errr - get a monetary loan and buy better players?

One loanee is hardly going to crack it!
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Yeah he’s going to sell a stake to owner of another club and then get a monetary loan from that club.

Do you genuinely believe that’s what AR meant?

posted on 14/10/19

I didn’t see much wrong with what he’s said in the article. I like the fact that he’s admitting to mistakes in Year 1 costing him a lot... guess that’s largely a big influx of Orta’s misfits font just for 1st team squad but u23s) Maybe I like him admitting it because I and others flagged the danger of it and the potential long term impacts of it at the time. Rather have been wrong on this one. (Like I am on most things!)

As for the potential tie in with the Italian club. He’s talking player loans not cash, but I don’t see a problem with it... IF it was a top Italian club - and opened the door to first dabs on their youngsters. I didn’t read it as the sole purpose of it, just a potential benefit

comment by Stoopo (U4707)

posted on 14/10/19

ANDREA RADRIZZANI INTERVIEW
Andrea Radrizzani: New Qatar investor ‘can get Leeds up to level of Man City’
Andrea Radrizzani tells Martyn Ziegler that he is considering three offers for stake in club
Martyn Ziegler, Chief Sports Reporter
October 14 2019, 12:01am, The Times

Radrizzani insists that whatever happens at Leeds he wants to remain involvedDANIEL HAMBURY/PA


Leeds United celebrate 100 years of existence this week and at this pivotal moment their owner has revealed he is considering an offer from Qatar to take the club to a level where they could “compete with Manchester City”.
The biggest sleeping giant in English football has already stirred. If Andrea Radrizzani, their owner, goes through with the sale of a stake in the club to Qatari Sports Investment (QSI) or two other rich investors then it could be time to write a new chapter in the giant’s fairytale.
“I’m giving you more information than I ever gave to anyone,” says Radrizzani, over coffee in a Leeds hotel. The Italian says he views himself as a custodian of the club, and that bringing in a big investor would help to achieve his vision of taking Leeds to the very top of the beanstalk.
Qatar looks to be in pole position — QSI is run by Nasser al-Khelaifi, the president of Paris Saint-Germain, and a close friend from when Radrizzani’s previous firm, MP & Silva, was selling football TV rights and Khelaifi was buying them for beIN Sport. He will not reveal the identities of the other two under consideration, other than to say that one is a hugely wealthy Leeds fan based in the United States and the other the owner of an unidentified Italian club.
“I have been approached by more than 20 parties and I have selected these three,” Radrizzani says.

“The option of Qatar Sports Investment and Nasser — first of all they are friends, we have had a good relationship for a long time. Secondly, they have the possibility to bring this club to compete with Manchester City, so for the fans that could be a fantastic opportunity.
“The second is based in America, he’s a big fan of Leeds United since he was a child, and I like that.
“Another one is the owner of an Italian club. With another club you can create synergy to be more competitive and to target the Premier League — we could maybe get a loan to increase the quality of the team.”
Radrizzani, who bought Leeds in instalments of £20 million in December 2016 and £25 million in May 2017, does not rule out selling a majority stake but insists that whatever happens he wants to remain involved.
“The most important thing for me is to make this club big again,” he says. “When I will open the door to others I don’t know, hopefully when we are in the Premier League. The financial support would be more important in the Premier League.
“When it will be done, it doesn’t matter which share [I have], it matters that I can continue my project and also have the support to build this club back again.

Radrizzani said Bielsa’s rigorous methods were just what were needed to sort Leeds outARRON GENT/JMP/REX
“L’appetito vien mangiando, as we say in Italy — appetite comes while you are eating. I don’t need to sell but it is important to listen because I always remember I am a custodian of the club. If it was my own business I would treat it a bit differently.”
Many figures from Leeds’s past, including from the glory days of the 1970s, will be invited back to Elland Road to celebrate the centenary on Saturday, when Birmingham City visit. Talk of the 1970s prompts Radrizzani to say “Dirty Leeds!” before adding: “We try to clean up the image of the club and I think that’s the right approach for the next generation. At the same time we need to keep the graft and passion of that team.”
There have been mighty changes at Leeds in the 2½ years since he took full control. He bought the stadium back in 2017, 13 years after it had been sold to reduce debt, and the next step is a new training base and academy, a stone’s throw from Elland Road. In 2017, there were only two academy players playing for national teams at youth level; now there are 14.
Appointing Marcelo Bielsa, the talismanic Argentine manager — and persuading him to stay after promotion proved elusive — was also a declaration of intent.
Radrizzani is open about the financial implications, saying: “It is very expensive, I invested over £90 million — with this level of money you could own a Europa League club in most of the European leagues, including Italy.
“The club makes losses, in this league it is impossible not to. We are still paying the consequences of my first year because I was inexperienced and we made some expensive mistakes with players.
“But we haven’t stopped investing. Bielsa and his staff cost £6 million [a year], we bought many other players and I think we have a squad to be promoted. It’s financially not sustainable to keep this level of salary which is now over £30 million, probably £33 million with Marcelo and closer to £40 million with the coaches.”
To get Bielsa, 64, was a coup — he is vastly experienced, including lengthy spells in charge of the Argentina and Chile national teams. His rigorous coaching methods, says Radrizzani, were just what were needed to sort Leeds out.

After starting the season unbeaten in seven matches, Leeds wobbled going into the international break with defeats away to Millwall and Charlton Athletic on successive Saturdays, but they remain just two points off top spot.
“We needed to set a culture of work ethic, when I arrived we were living in mediocrity,” Radrizzani added. “Finding a man like him [Bielsa], who some people might say is fixed in the methodology of 20 years ago, was needed. He was fascinated by the challenge, as I was.”
Radrizzani has been a fierce critic of the Football League for allowing owners of other Championship clubs to buy their own stadiums via another company to get past financial fair play [FFP] rules, and he reveals that he was approached by Middlesbrough to take part in their legal action against the league on the issue.
“The rules were not written in a way to avoid a conflict of interest and to shortcut FFP — 100 per cent it should change, it needs to be clear for the future,” he says. “Middlesbrough approached us to sue about the other clubs. In principle I agreed with them but decided not to do it because I wanted to focus on the football.”
Instead, it was Leeds who found themselves in breach of rules last season over the Spygate scandal, which led to a £200,000 fine after Bielsa sent an employee to watch Derby County training. That is now in the past, says Radrizzani, and has brought Leeds closer together. “We have a lot of haters, and that was a great occasion to come against us. It made us stronger and we are very proud to have haters.”
As to Leeds being a sleeping giant, Radrizzani says the slumber is over: “He’s awake. Now he has to make more noise.”

comment by Stoopo (U4707)

posted on 14/10/19

Full article as it’s not available to everyone due to the paywall.

Whatever happens I think he knows we need more cash this season. He might be a very wealthy man in his own right but didn’t get that way by throwing his money away.

Looking at it though it seems he is now willing to become a minority shareholder if the right investor comes along.

posted on 14/10/19

When AR came to us the first thing he said was he was going to stabilize the club, how things were we're one hell off a lot more stable than before he came in, he also said he wouldn't throw his own money at things, well it seems he's thrown a lot more than people give him credit for!.....behind the scenes is somewhere nobody here will ever get unless anyone hasn't let on about their true work place!..

He's made some mistakes he admits, but, we're no worst off for them, investment it seems he's looking for someone that'll move things forward, we had one that sucked the crap out of anyone that tried to invest, and one that couldn't help but fall out with any potential help that might have been there!..

Problem with this ManC jibe, if it came to the real thing, I wouldn't like the thought off buying my way to might be trophy's like the club that'd won nothing did!..

But today things are not how they were and it seems to be the only way of doing things in modern day football!..

posted on 14/10/19

Exasperated with these stories that get our hopes raised and then comes to nothing. Just a Cock-erel tease!
AR knows the fans are frustrated with the lack of investment and small squad size so this story just serves to distract us all and buy him some time.

posted on 14/10/19

Thanks for the full details Stoopo!

posted on 14/10/19

comment by milkyboy (U12731)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago

(Like I am on most things!)
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Dont be daft Milky, you are one of, if not the best on here.

posted on 14/10/19

comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by milkyboy (U12731)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago

(Like I am on most things!)
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Dont be daft Milky, you are one of, if not the best on here.
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have we just made it too obvious i'm your second account

posted on 14/10/19

So that's 2, how many more have you's?..

posted on 14/10/19

Radz doesn't have the kind of cash needed to enable to club to move forward. When we are promoted we will need a massive overhaul of the playing squad over the next few seasons to move forward and start challenging for trophies. Could stay as majority shareholder but we will not have the cash to progress, just be throwing his cash away. This way he enjoys the ride and pockets a few bob.

posted on 14/10/19

Well there's me for one Germany.

posted on 14/10/19

comment by LufcGermany (U6066)
posted 40 minutes ago
So that's 2, how many more have you's?..
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Including or excluding you Germany?

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 14/10/19

He’s clearly not got the money, he needs to sell outright rather than have ever more people on board wanting their say.

Should not be discussing this stuff now, this stuff always distracts from the football, let’s just focus on promotion and keep all ownership issues out of press during season, right now want to see the club celebrating our centenary and focussing on the football.

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