If it's anything like the deal that was on the table over the past few days then the DUP will shout and bawl, and it'll hardly stand a chance of passing through the HoC.
It's essentially the same deal as May's with some legal text rearranged and it's been tarted up a little.
DUP won't be supporting it
not sure if it'll get through parliament
Wonder how much better it is than the one May first went in with the Bozza and co slated.
So basically the exact same situation we had with may.
Deal agreed but DUP don't like it.
It won't get through parliament. So ultimately it's meaningless.
Labour being whipped for a second referendum.
If that passes, then it'll push back Sturgeon's plans to ask for a s30 order this year.
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comment by timmy (U14278)
posted 1 minute ago
Do they need dup support
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You would expect so.
The DUP have been described by many leavers and Unionists as 'canaries in the coalmine'. If they aren't happy with it then many MPs will follow their lead.
2nd referendum is the right approach. With the outcome being legally binding and not subject to commons vote
Remain
Leave - with leave being explicitly the deal on the table not the fairytale rubbish spouted in the last campaign.
Sadly I think the leave would still win
Vote it down and get this p!sh repealed.
comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
posted 1 minute ago
2nd referendum is the right approach. With the outcome being legally binding and not subject to commons vote
Remain
Leave - with leave being explicitly the deal on the table not the fairytale rubbish spouted in the last campaign.
Sadly I think the leave would still win
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Agree that this is the correct approach
How anyone in Scotland can support this deal is beyond me. Northern Ireland will have a special arrangement with the EU which will give them a competitive advantage against the rest of the UK. Any industry that wants a gateway between the EU and the UK will surely want to base themselves in Belfast. This could be massively harmful to the Scottish economy and to employment in Scotland.
The Democratic Unionist Party's (DUP) bottom line has always been that any new Brexit arrangements should not separate Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK, economically or constitutionally.
Under the Stormont assembly's cross-community voting rules, contentious measures require a majority of both unionists and nationalists in order to pass.
That means that the biggest parties - the DUP and Sinn Féin - in effect have a veto.
The DUP had hoped to secure an upfront Stormont vote to approve the new arrangements.
But it's understood that the current proposals would give Stormont a say four years after the end of the transition period - that would mean 2024.
A straightforward numerical majority would keep the special arrangements in place for another four years.
Alternatively, if the arrangements get cross-community consent - in other words, if they're passed by most nationalists and most unionists - they would remain in place for eight years.
But a vote couldn't happen if the assembly wasn't operating.
Presently, it hasn't sat for more than two and a half years, since Sinn Féin resigned from the power-sharing devolved government.
Shortly afterwards, an election left unionism without a numerical majority in the Stormont chamber for the first time in the history of Northern Ireland.
So for the DUP, the issue of consent - and a fear that Dublin and Brussels would have too big an influence on trading rules - goes to the heart of the party's concerns that Northern Ireland's place in the UK would be weakened.
Several rounds of talks to restore the Stormont Executive haven't succeeded - and few, if any, hold out hope that devolution is returning in the coming weeks.
Sinn Féin and the DUP continue to essentially blame each other for the ongoing deadlock.
Sinn Féin vice-president Michelle O'Neill - who would be in line to jointly lead the Northern Ireland Executive with Arlene Foster if devolved government came back - has re-emphasised her party's opposition to any mechanism which would allow the DUP to block Brexit plans designed to keep the border open and prevent any disruption to trade across the island of Ireland.
Her tweet - "No border and no veto" - shows how the complexities of Stormont politics have become increasingly bound up with the UK-EU negotiations.
The technical talk about Brexit and the border focuses on trade, goods regulations, and potential tariffs.
But for politicians in Belfast and Dublin, the significance of those issues is generated by deeper issues - such as identity, nationality, and peacebuilding.
It's strange how many people even knowing now that the country will be much worse off even with a good deal are standing by their original vote, a lot of stubborn people cutting their nose off to spite thier faces.
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 6 minutes ago
It won't get through parliament. So ultimately it's meaningless.
Labour being whipped for a second referendum.
If that passes, then it'll push back Sturgeon's plans to ask for a s30 order this year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sturgeon is off her t1ts. Wish she would pipe down about the referendum, she needs permission which she is never going to get.
We'll hold one next year, eh no you won't. I will put my house on it, it's the most hollow of hollow promises.
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
How anyone in Scotland can support this deal is beyond me. Northern Ireland will have a special arrangement with the EU which will give them a competitive advantage against the rest of the UK. Any industry that wants a gateway between the EU and the UK will surely want to base themselves in Belfast. This could be massively harmful to the Scottish economy and to employment in Scotland.
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Exactly what I'm worried about. If you could have your HQ somewhere that is in both the EU and UK you absolutely would.
As for well played Boris
Smashed his own red lines and has agreed a deal that he knows is unlikely to pass. Electioneering pash.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 6 minutes ago
It won't get through parliament. So ultimately it's meaningless.
Labour being whipped for a second referendum.
If that passes, then it'll push back Sturgeon's plans to ask for a s30 order this year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sturgeon is off her t1ts. Wish she would pipe down about the referendum, she needs permission which she is never going to get.
We'll hold one next year, eh no you won't. I will put my house on it, it's the most hollow of hollow promises.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it's also the manifesto that her party was voted in on. Regardless of if it's difficult or not it's absolutely what she should be doing.
Politicians trying to do what they promised? That will never catch on.
At least Boris cant blame the EU.
He said he will deliver Brexit at the end of Oktober with deal or not a deal.
Looking forward to it as a happy EU member.
Bollox.
Why should there be a remain option on any referendum irrespective of whether there should be a referendum at all?
We voted leave as the UK. That’s it. None of your nonsense about “we didn’t undreamed what we were doing”. Arrogant self serving piiish of the worts order.
If it’s voted down then we should just leave. End of.
comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 6 minutes ago
It won't get through parliament. So ultimately it's meaningless.
Labour being whipped for a second referendum.
If that passes, then it'll push back Sturgeon's plans to ask for a s30 order this year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sturgeon is off her t1ts. Wish she would pipe down about the referendum, she needs permission which she is never going to get.
We'll hold one next year, eh no you won't. I will put my house on it, it's the most hollow of hollow promises.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it's also the manifesto that her party was voted in on. Regardless of if it's difficult or not it's absolutely what she should be doing.
Politicians trying to do what they promised? That will never catch on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Politicians making promises they can't keep. She's been taking tips from Boris clearly.
Beth Rigby:
Barnier has just confirmed that the consent mechanism in the NI assembly is a simply majority vote four years after the transition > DUP were opposed to this
It won't fly. And nor should it.
I predict a vote for a second referendum on Saturday.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 6 minutes ago
It won't get through parliament. So ultimately it's meaningless.
Labour being whipped for a second referendum.
If that passes, then it'll push back Sturgeon's plans to ask for a s30 order this year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sturgeon is off her t1ts. Wish she would pipe down about the referendum, she needs permission which she is never going to get.
We'll hold one next year, eh no you won't. I will put my house on it, it's the most hollow of hollow promises.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Happy to force a second referendum for the UK on Brexit but completely rule one out for Scottish independence.
Fwcking ridiculous and again sheer arrogance.
Fed up of being lectured by politicians who claim to “speak for me”. You don’t you self centred cwnts. If it wasn’t for Brexit most on these boards probably wouldn’t have a clue who their MP is. Overnight F status “celebrities”
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
Bollox.
Why should there be a remain option on any referendum irrespective of whether there should be a referendum at all?
We voted leave as the UK. That’s it. None of your nonsense about “we didn’t undreamed what we were doing”. Arrogant self serving piiish of the worts order.
If it’s voted down then we should just leave. End of.
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I'm sympathetic to the argument that it should be no deal or Boris' deal on the ballot, but at the same time we all know that remain will be on there. It's the only thing that will get passed through parliament.
So leavers have a choice. Two leave options and one remain, or a leave and remain option on the ballot. Which would you prefer?
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
Beth Rigby:
Barnier has just confirmed that the consent mechanism in the NI assembly is a simply majority vote four years after the transition > DUP were opposed to this
It won't fly. And nor should it.
I predict a vote for a second referendum on Saturday.
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I predict you can shove it up yir rse.
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posted on 17/10/19
If it's anything like the deal that was on the table over the past few days then the DUP will shout and bawl, and it'll hardly stand a chance of passing through the HoC.
It's essentially the same deal as May's with some legal text rearranged and it's been tarted up a little.
posted on 17/10/19
DUP won't be supporting it
not sure if it'll get through parliament
posted on 17/10/19
Wonder how much better it is than the one May first went in with the Bozza and co slated.
posted on 17/10/19
So basically the exact same situation we had with may.
Deal agreed but DUP don't like it.
posted on 17/10/19
It won't get through parliament. So ultimately it's meaningless.
Labour being whipped for a second referendum.
If that passes, then it'll push back Sturgeon's plans to ask for a s30 order this year.
posted on 17/10/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 17/10/19
Do they need dup support
posted on 17/10/19
comment by timmy (U14278)
posted 1 minute ago
Do they need dup support
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You would expect so.
The DUP have been described by many leavers and Unionists as 'canaries in the coalmine'. If they aren't happy with it then many MPs will follow their lead.
posted on 17/10/19
2nd referendum is the right approach. With the outcome being legally binding and not subject to commons vote
Remain
Leave - with leave being explicitly the deal on the table not the fairytale rubbish spouted in the last campaign.
Sadly I think the leave would still win
posted on 17/10/19
Vote it down and get this p!sh repealed.
posted on 17/10/19
comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
posted 1 minute ago
2nd referendum is the right approach. With the outcome being legally binding and not subject to commons vote
Remain
Leave - with leave being explicitly the deal on the table not the fairytale rubbish spouted in the last campaign.
Sadly I think the leave would still win
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree that this is the correct approach
posted on 17/10/19
How anyone in Scotland can support this deal is beyond me. Northern Ireland will have a special arrangement with the EU which will give them a competitive advantage against the rest of the UK. Any industry that wants a gateway between the EU and the UK will surely want to base themselves in Belfast. This could be massively harmful to the Scottish economy and to employment in Scotland.
posted on 17/10/19
The Democratic Unionist Party's (DUP) bottom line has always been that any new Brexit arrangements should not separate Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK, economically or constitutionally.
Under the Stormont assembly's cross-community voting rules, contentious measures require a majority of both unionists and nationalists in order to pass.
That means that the biggest parties - the DUP and Sinn Féin - in effect have a veto.
The DUP had hoped to secure an upfront Stormont vote to approve the new arrangements.
But it's understood that the current proposals would give Stormont a say four years after the end of the transition period - that would mean 2024.
A straightforward numerical majority would keep the special arrangements in place for another four years.
Alternatively, if the arrangements get cross-community consent - in other words, if they're passed by most nationalists and most unionists - they would remain in place for eight years.
But a vote couldn't happen if the assembly wasn't operating.
Presently, it hasn't sat for more than two and a half years, since Sinn Féin resigned from the power-sharing devolved government.
Shortly afterwards, an election left unionism without a numerical majority in the Stormont chamber for the first time in the history of Northern Ireland.
So for the DUP, the issue of consent - and a fear that Dublin and Brussels would have too big an influence on trading rules - goes to the heart of the party's concerns that Northern Ireland's place in the UK would be weakened.
Several rounds of talks to restore the Stormont Executive haven't succeeded - and few, if any, hold out hope that devolution is returning in the coming weeks.
Sinn Féin and the DUP continue to essentially blame each other for the ongoing deadlock.
Sinn Féin vice-president Michelle O'Neill - who would be in line to jointly lead the Northern Ireland Executive with Arlene Foster if devolved government came back - has re-emphasised her party's opposition to any mechanism which would allow the DUP to block Brexit plans designed to keep the border open and prevent any disruption to trade across the island of Ireland.
Her tweet - "No border and no veto" - shows how the complexities of Stormont politics have become increasingly bound up with the UK-EU negotiations.
The technical talk about Brexit and the border focuses on trade, goods regulations, and potential tariffs.
But for politicians in Belfast and Dublin, the significance of those issues is generated by deeper issues - such as identity, nationality, and peacebuilding.
posted on 17/10/19
It's strange how many people even knowing now that the country will be much worse off even with a good deal are standing by their original vote, a lot of stubborn people cutting their nose off to spite thier faces.
posted on 17/10/19
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 6 minutes ago
It won't get through parliament. So ultimately it's meaningless.
Labour being whipped for a second referendum.
If that passes, then it'll push back Sturgeon's plans to ask for a s30 order this year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sturgeon is off her t1ts. Wish she would pipe down about the referendum, she needs permission which she is never going to get.
We'll hold one next year, eh no you won't. I will put my house on it, it's the most hollow of hollow promises.
posted on 17/10/19
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
How anyone in Scotland can support this deal is beyond me. Northern Ireland will have a special arrangement with the EU which will give them a competitive advantage against the rest of the UK. Any industry that wants a gateway between the EU and the UK will surely want to base themselves in Belfast. This could be massively harmful to the Scottish economy and to employment in Scotland.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly what I'm worried about. If you could have your HQ somewhere that is in both the EU and UK you absolutely would.
posted on 17/10/19
As for well played Boris
Smashed his own red lines and has agreed a deal that he knows is unlikely to pass. Electioneering pash.
posted on 17/10/19
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 6 minutes ago
It won't get through parliament. So ultimately it's meaningless.
Labour being whipped for a second referendum.
If that passes, then it'll push back Sturgeon's plans to ask for a s30 order this year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sturgeon is off her t1ts. Wish she would pipe down about the referendum, she needs permission which she is never going to get.
We'll hold one next year, eh no you won't. I will put my house on it, it's the most hollow of hollow promises.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it's also the manifesto that her party was voted in on. Regardless of if it's difficult or not it's absolutely what she should be doing.
Politicians trying to do what they promised? That will never catch on.
posted on 17/10/19
At least Boris cant blame the EU.
He said he will deliver Brexit at the end of Oktober with deal or not a deal.
Looking forward to it as a happy EU member.
posted on 17/10/19
Bollox.
Why should there be a remain option on any referendum irrespective of whether there should be a referendum at all?
We voted leave as the UK. That’s it. None of your nonsense about “we didn’t undreamed what we were doing”. Arrogant self serving piiish of the worts order.
If it’s voted down then we should just leave. End of.
posted on 17/10/19
comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 6 minutes ago
It won't get through parliament. So ultimately it's meaningless.
Labour being whipped for a second referendum.
If that passes, then it'll push back Sturgeon's plans to ask for a s30 order this year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sturgeon is off her t1ts. Wish she would pipe down about the referendum, she needs permission which she is never going to get.
We'll hold one next year, eh no you won't. I will put my house on it, it's the most hollow of hollow promises.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it's also the manifesto that her party was voted in on. Regardless of if it's difficult or not it's absolutely what she should be doing.
Politicians trying to do what they promised? That will never catch on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Politicians making promises they can't keep. She's been taking tips from Boris clearly.
posted on 17/10/19
Beth Rigby:
Barnier has just confirmed that the consent mechanism in the NI assembly is a simply majority vote four years after the transition > DUP were opposed to this
It won't fly. And nor should it.
I predict a vote for a second referendum on Saturday.
posted on 17/10/19
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 6 minutes ago
It won't get through parliament. So ultimately it's meaningless.
Labour being whipped for a second referendum.
If that passes, then it'll push back Sturgeon's plans to ask for a s30 order this year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sturgeon is off her t1ts. Wish she would pipe down about the referendum, she needs permission which she is never going to get.
We'll hold one next year, eh no you won't. I will put my house on it, it's the most hollow of hollow promises.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Happy to force a second referendum for the UK on Brexit but completely rule one out for Scottish independence.
Fwcking ridiculous and again sheer arrogance.
Fed up of being lectured by politicians who claim to “speak for me”. You don’t you self centred cwnts. If it wasn’t for Brexit most on these boards probably wouldn’t have a clue who their MP is. Overnight F status “celebrities”
posted on 17/10/19
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
Bollox.
Why should there be a remain option on any referendum irrespective of whether there should be a referendum at all?
We voted leave as the UK. That’s it. None of your nonsense about “we didn’t undreamed what we were doing”. Arrogant self serving piiish of the worts order.
If it’s voted down then we should just leave. End of.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sympathetic to the argument that it should be no deal or Boris' deal on the ballot, but at the same time we all know that remain will be on there. It's the only thing that will get passed through parliament.
So leavers have a choice. Two leave options and one remain, or a leave and remain option on the ballot. Which would you prefer?
posted on 17/10/19
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
Beth Rigby:
Barnier has just confirmed that the consent mechanism in the NI assembly is a simply majority vote four years after the transition > DUP were opposed to this
It won't fly. And nor should it.
I predict a vote for a second referendum on Saturday.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I predict you can shove it up yir rse.
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