comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 39 minutes ago
Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
I think that is generous to Dalglish myself and I think he let himself down.
The club have never really dealt with the situation properly and it has allowed resentment to fester.
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I'm giving Dalglish the benefit of the doubt as I think he has plenty of credit in the bank in terms of doing the right thing.
At the time I think Liverpool were a bit of a mess across the board. By association he probably did let himself down but I've a feeling it wasn't down to him and that LFC felt that Suarez was a bigger asset to them than he was at the time.
“ Didn’t you admit you chanted The S*n was right, murderers’ on Sunday?
Didn’t you bring up Heysel on the Liverpool fans thread?
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Yeah I did what’s the issue
It seems to be a taboo subject this one but it’s hardly mocking a tragedy.
Did a load of scousers murder a load of Italians? Yes they did
Did Suarez racially abuse Evra? Yes he did
Did Liverpool football club support a racist? Yes they did
Scuuum football club, scuuuum players, scuuuum fans
Fact”
Just wow.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
I deleted his comment because I didn't think it was worthy of response.
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get a grip of this motor mouth python geezer.
Manc Python (U17527)
There's reasonable debate and then there's that.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 39 minutes ago
Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
I think that is generous to Dalglish myself and I think he let himself down.
The club have never really dealt with the situation properly and it has allowed resentment to fester.
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I'm giving Dalglish the benefit of the doubt as I think he has plenty of credit in the bank in terms of doing the right thing.
At the time I think Liverpool were a bit of a mess across the board. By association he probably did let himself down but I've a feeling it wasn't down to him and that LFC felt that Suarez was a bigger asset to them than he was at the time.
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Fair comment.
TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
May I just say that your reaction to this is particularly childish.
I think all Dalglish was guilty of was going along with the players' idea to support their friend and teammate as they believed him. Not exactly crime of the century. This is a guy well respected up and down the country for the work he does with people.
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
There are ways and means of showing your support and Dalglish was experienced enough to realise what a stupid idea it was.
No one is suggesting it makes him a monster, but equally his standing in the game doesn't mean he is beyond criticism.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
There are ways and means of showing your support and Dalglish was experienced enough to realise what a stupid idea it was.
No one is suggesting it makes him a monster, but equally his standing in the game doesn't mean he is beyond criticism.
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I don't know. At the time, when all the players were believing what their friend and teammate told them, he had the choice of allowing them to show the world that they believe him or not. He chose to allow it. I don't see anything wrong with it, in that sense but yes, it ended up being a PR disaster as some people with low intelligence come out with things like 'supporting a racist'.
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
Actually, there's a middle ground there - he could have influenced their decision and advised them to support them by other means.
If you think the only thing wrong with the stunt was that it became a PR disaster then you're badly missing the point.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 seconds ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
Actually, there's a middle ground there - he could have influenced their decision and advised them to support them by other means.
If you think the only thing wrong with the stunt was that it became a PR disaster then you're badly missing the point.
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What is the point?
Also he allowed them to do it as it showed the world they believed him. What other means could have been used?
What he said about it at the time:-
"We totally support Luis and we want the world to know that". "We know he is not racist."
"The club have issued the statement, the players have issued their statement visually...".
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
Jesus. Seriously?
The point is that for such a serious charge, it was grossly inappropriate.
I cannot believe you don't understand that.
"What other means could have been used?"
A joint statement?
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
Jesus. Seriously?
The point is that for such a serious charge, it was grossly inappropriate.
I cannot believe you don't understand that.
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Yes inappropriate if they didn't believe him but considering they did, they felt it was fine. As I said, in hindsight it's not great but it's easy to criticise things in hindsight.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 minutes ago
"What other means could have been used?"
A joint statement?
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The joint statement would have been ridiculed also. Not sure what the difference is in a verbal statement and a visual one, they are both attempting to achieve the same thing - ie. showing support for their friend and teammate who they believe.
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
No, inappropriate full stop.
Whether you believe your colleague or not, there are ways and means of showing your support and wearing t-shirts was inappropriate to say the least.
A formal, written statement would have been much more credible and in keeping with the seriousness of the situation.
You've never been able to see reason on this subject, so why start now I guess.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 25 seconds ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
No, inappropriate full stop.
Whether you believe your colleague or not, there are ways and means of showing your support and wearing t-shirts was inappropriate to say the least.
A formal, written statement would have been much more credible and in keeping with the seriousness of the situation.
You've never been able to see reason on this subject, so why start now I guess.
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Yeah still not seeing what the difference is when trying to show the world your support in a written way or a visual way. The players aren't going to get together to release a statement, that's the club, which they did. They wanted to do it in their way and this was the best way. In hindsight it didn't work out well but I can understand why they felt it was the best way.
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
There’s nothing lower in football than a scouser, they’re all cockroaches with chips on their shoulders. Even interacting with one on here makes me want to spray disinfectant on my fingers. Disgusting creatures the lot of em
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Imagine being this angry at a bunch of people you don't know who have literally zero impact on your life, reasses mate you'll be happier for it.
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
Why can't players release a written statement?
If you can't see the difference between t-shirts and a written statement then this is a pointless conversation.
Ultimatley Suarez brought skin colour into the on pitch argument, what he meant by it only he really knows but can't complain about the punishment at the time.
The t-shirts were not a good idea full stop, reflected badly on the club.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ultimatley Suarez brought skin colour into the on pitch argument, what he meant by it only he really knows but can't complain about the punishment at the time.
The t-shirts were not a good idea full stop, reflected badly on the club.
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Agreed
Regarding the post you replied to above from Martial FC... as I said originally, fans have a decision to make about how they behave with these things.
A shame that some take the line that they do.
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
Why can't players release a written statement?
If you can't see the difference between t-shirts and a written statement then this is a pointless conversation.
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What is the difference? One is a visual statement, one is written. What actual difference is there apart from the method? Why is one worse than the other?
I don't think it's a pointless conversation at all as I'm genuinely intrigued by what people think was so bad about people supporting somebody they believed, after weighing up all the evidence. They're his teammates and friends, they knew he wasnt racist so choose to believe him.
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posted on 22/10/19
Calm down lad.
posted on 22/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 39 minutes ago
Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
I think that is generous to Dalglish myself and I think he let himself down.
The club have never really dealt with the situation properly and it has allowed resentment to fester.
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I'm giving Dalglish the benefit of the doubt as I think he has plenty of credit in the bank in terms of doing the right thing.
At the time I think Liverpool were a bit of a mess across the board. By association he probably did let himself down but I've a feeling it wasn't down to him and that LFC felt that Suarez was a bigger asset to them than he was at the time.
posted on 22/10/19
“ Didn’t you admit you chanted The S*n was right, murderers’ on Sunday?
Didn’t you bring up Heysel on the Liverpool fans thread?
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Yeah I did what’s the issue
It seems to be a taboo subject this one but it’s hardly mocking a tragedy.
Did a load of scousers murder a load of Italians? Yes they did
Did Suarez racially abuse Evra? Yes he did
Did Liverpool football club support a racist? Yes they did
Scuuum football club, scuuuum players, scuuuum fans
Fact”
Just wow.
posted on 22/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
I deleted his comment because I didn't think it was worthy of response.
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get a grip of this motor mouth python geezer.
posted on 22/10/19
Manc Python (U17527)
There's reasonable debate and then there's that.
posted on 22/10/19
comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 39 minutes ago
Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
I think that is generous to Dalglish myself and I think he let himself down.
The club have never really dealt with the situation properly and it has allowed resentment to fester.
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I'm giving Dalglish the benefit of the doubt as I think he has plenty of credit in the bank in terms of doing the right thing.
At the time I think Liverpool were a bit of a mess across the board. By association he probably did let himself down but I've a feeling it wasn't down to him and that LFC felt that Suarez was a bigger asset to them than he was at the time.
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Fair comment.
posted on 22/10/19
TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
May I just say that your reaction to this is particularly childish.
posted on 22/10/19
I think all Dalglish was guilty of was going along with the players' idea to support their friend and teammate as they believed him. Not exactly crime of the century. This is a guy well respected up and down the country for the work he does with people.
posted on 22/10/19
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
There are ways and means of showing your support and Dalglish was experienced enough to realise what a stupid idea it was.
No one is suggesting it makes him a monster, but equally his standing in the game doesn't mean he is beyond criticism.
posted on 22/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
There are ways and means of showing your support and Dalglish was experienced enough to realise what a stupid idea it was.
No one is suggesting it makes him a monster, but equally his standing in the game doesn't mean he is beyond criticism.
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I don't know. At the time, when all the players were believing what their friend and teammate told them, he had the choice of allowing them to show the world that they believe him or not. He chose to allow it. I don't see anything wrong with it, in that sense but yes, it ended up being a PR disaster as some people with low intelligence come out with things like 'supporting a racist'.
posted on 22/10/19
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
Actually, there's a middle ground there - he could have influenced their decision and advised them to support them by other means.
If you think the only thing wrong with the stunt was that it became a PR disaster then you're badly missing the point.
posted on 22/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 seconds ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
Actually, there's a middle ground there - he could have influenced their decision and advised them to support them by other means.
If you think the only thing wrong with the stunt was that it became a PR disaster then you're badly missing the point.
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What is the point?
posted on 22/10/19
Also he allowed them to do it as it showed the world they believed him. What other means could have been used?
What he said about it at the time:-
"We totally support Luis and we want the world to know that". "We know he is not racist."
"The club have issued the statement, the players have issued their statement visually...".
posted on 22/10/19
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
Jesus. Seriously?
The point is that for such a serious charge, it was grossly inappropriate.
I cannot believe you don't understand that.
posted on 22/10/19
"What other means could have been used?"
A joint statement?
posted on 22/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
Jesus. Seriously?
The point is that for such a serious charge, it was grossly inappropriate.
I cannot believe you don't understand that.
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Yes inappropriate if they didn't believe him but considering they did, they felt it was fine. As I said, in hindsight it's not great but it's easy to criticise things in hindsight.
posted on 22/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 minutes ago
"What other means could have been used?"
A joint statement?
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The joint statement would have been ridiculed also. Not sure what the difference is in a verbal statement and a visual one, they are both attempting to achieve the same thing - ie. showing support for their friend and teammate who they believe.
posted on 22/10/19
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
No, inappropriate full stop.
Whether you believe your colleague or not, there are ways and means of showing your support and wearing t-shirts was inappropriate to say the least.
A formal, written statement would have been much more credible and in keeping with the seriousness of the situation.
You've never been able to see reason on this subject, so why start now I guess.
posted on 22/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 25 seconds ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
No, inappropriate full stop.
Whether you believe your colleague or not, there are ways and means of showing your support and wearing t-shirts was inappropriate to say the least.
A formal, written statement would have been much more credible and in keeping with the seriousness of the situation.
You've never been able to see reason on this subject, so why start now I guess.
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Yeah still not seeing what the difference is when trying to show the world your support in a written way or a visual way. The players aren't going to get together to release a statement, that's the club, which they did. They wanted to do it in their way and this was the best way. In hindsight it didn't work out well but I can understand why they felt it was the best way.
posted on 22/10/19
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
There’s nothing lower in football than a scouser, they’re all cockroaches with chips on their shoulders. Even interacting with one on here makes me want to spray disinfectant on my fingers. Disgusting creatures the lot of em
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Imagine being this angry at a bunch of people you don't know who have literally zero impact on your life, reasses mate you'll be happier for it.
posted on 22/10/19
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
Why can't players release a written statement?
If you can't see the difference between t-shirts and a written statement then this is a pointless conversation.
posted on 22/10/19
Ultimatley Suarez brought skin colour into the on pitch argument, what he meant by it only he really knows but can't complain about the punishment at the time.
The t-shirts were not a good idea full stop, reflected badly on the club.
posted on 22/10/19
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ultimatley Suarez brought skin colour into the on pitch argument, what he meant by it only he really knows but can't complain about the punishment at the time.
The t-shirts were not a good idea full stop, reflected badly on the club.
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Agreed
Regarding the post you replied to above from Martial FC... as I said originally, fans have a decision to make about how they behave with these things.
A shame that some take the line that they do.
posted on 22/10/19
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posted on 22/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
Why can't players release a written statement?
If you can't see the difference between t-shirts and a written statement then this is a pointless conversation.
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What is the difference? One is a visual statement, one is written. What actual difference is there apart from the method? Why is one worse than the other?
I don't think it's a pointless conversation at all as I'm genuinely intrigued by what people think was so bad about people supporting somebody they believed, after weighing up all the evidence. They're his teammates and friends, they knew he wasnt racist so choose to believe him.
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