Definitely stick with the same team and same approach. Although, you can guarantee Hodgson will not let his team get anywhere near as poor as Southampton were.
The last few Palace games summed up Puel's tenure for me. They knew exactly how to play against us, and he had no response. Hopefully we're a completely different kettle of fish this time round and it's if them that we ask the questions of...
As BS mentioned the other day, key game and a good marker of our ability. I'm going to be optimistic and see more goals flowing. 1-4
I don't think there should be any great tactical masterplan for this other than to go down there with the same line-up and back ourselves to beat them. Obviously there will be tweaks, judging the opposition, advising on how best to deal with Zaha, etc., but I'd expect something not dissimilar to the Burnley match overall.
And I'd probably stick up the last 4 scorelines against Palace in the dressing room beforehand for some further motivation to get one over on them this time.
Sorry Joby, I love you but your musing are just far too sensible and constructive for me to debate.
I mean, who argues to keep the sane team after a 9-0 win?!!
In all seriousness though, our main concern from palace will be on the counter and exploiting our width. Chilwell and Pereira will be key for me.
If we can push their fullbacks back down the pitch with a midfield 5 then let’s stick with that. However, a can see palace causing us problems down the flanks if we play 4-1-4-1.
However, why change a winning formula. I we play that we have to be aggressive and stop their counters high up the pitch to force their fullbacks back.
Anyone at the game last night? Did anyone stake a real claim to start?
Praet is probably the only one who is knocking loudly on the first team door currently.
I think this is it really. You don’t change a side that has won 9-0 in its previous game, but that doesn’t, necessarily mean it’s the right thing not to do so.
Do we make any special provision for a side that has thrashed us 3 out of the last 4 times we’ve played them? We surely must be looking at what went wrong previously.
We can, of course, change tactics and not personnel, which is what Mersey alludes to above. But, as BS said in an earlier article, this is a real test and probably a good benchmark to where we are and our future trajectory. Win here well and I might start to believe some of the hype.
My gut feeling would be to stick with the same formation and leave them worry about us.
Whatever, not 2 DMs Brendan!
Hopefully we set up the same and go for the kill.
None of this 2 DM nonsense.
Expect it to be a cagey game with Palace stifling us.
Got a feeling we will come away with a point. 1-1
"Whatever, not 2 DMs Brendan!"
"None of this 2 DM nonsense."
I'm hoping that BRodgers has now seen the error of his ways here and we won't be going back to 2 CDMs anytime soon.
Good job he's the manager and not Merseysidefox eh?
As a demonstration of the apathy around here I even slipped Iheanacho in amongst the subs and nobody noticed ....
With victory comes apathy.
I advocate 2cdm against Liverpool at home.
How does that make you feel Joby?
I don’t think that you realise Mersey that when you disagreed with me on that previous thread it rocked my world. When the few things that you rely on, that are the consistent bedrock of your existence, are threatened then it makes you question the whole meaning of life.
That’s the reason I keep referring to it. At some point I’m hoping that you will realise it as an error. A statistical blip that can be removed as an outlier because it detracts from the overall truism. At that point my equilibrium might be restored.
A very difficult game, Roy has Palace playing really well and only a few points behind us.
I'd take a draw now if offered.
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 8 hours, 24 minutes ago
I don’t think that you realise Mersey that when you disagreed with me on that previous thread it rocked my world. When the few things that you rely on, that are the consistent bedrock of your existence, are threatened then it makes you question the whole meaning of life.
That’s the reason I keep referring to it. At some point I’m hoping that you will realise it as an error. A statistical blip that can be removed as an outlier because it detracts from the overall truism. At that point my equilibrium might be restored.
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My world crumbled at that point Joby. Everything odd ever trusted in life game crashing down around me.
I no longer believe the sky is blue or the earth is round.
And I still believe Liverpool would have torn us a new one if we’d played 4-1-4-1.
I’m just left stuck with huge questions like: does the pope actually Sh 1t in the woods?
Maybe all is not lost.
I was not fixed on formation - just not playing N’didi AND Choudhury .....
??
What about a 4-3-3 with Ndidi, Praet and Tielemans behind Vardy, Barnes and Albrighton. That could make us more solid and compact against the top teams?
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
What about a 4-3-3 with Ndidi, Praet and Tielemans behind Vardy, Barnes and Albrighton. That could make us more solid and compact against the top teams?
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Yes I’m not that worried about that. I don’t really see Praet as purely a defensive midfielder in the way Hamza and Wilf are. He has a range of passing to his game.
When Wilf was partnered with Mendy his game dropped as somebody had to be the person who provided the carry or passing from midfield - not his game - and not was it Mendy’s. Hamza is similar in that he’s a disruptor and not a creator. We can’t play both Choudhury and N’didi if we want balance - that was my point.
Yes, I don’t disagree with that Joby. My only point was relying solely on Ndidi to protect a flat back 4 with attacking fullbacks against a team that play in between the lines and use width would see us murdered!!
I agree with all you’ve said there. Choudhury and Ndidi together creates imbalance and I don’t like Choudhury in that wide left role in a 4-3-3. Problem is you have to drop Maddison to make 4-3-3 work and I don’t think Rodgers with do that.
So let’s agree that when we face a team like that we go 4-1-2-2-1 and play zero width 🙃.
Ndidi
Preat Tielemans
Perez Maddison
Vardy
How can it fail?
I agree on dropping Maddison too.
I like Maddison centrally so if you’re reverting to 4-3-3 it’s probably a choice between him and Tielemans. It’s a balance problem you might have against the better teams and I’d rather that than force Maddison to play where he’s not effective (i.e. out wide).
As long as the solution doesn’t involve picking two of N’didi, Choudhury and Mendy in that midfield three - then I’m happy it’s an option.
Yes, we’re back in agreement Joby.
Praet Tielemans and Ndidi is quite a balanced 3. If they were disciplined we could play a quiche attacking front 3.
We’d have to sign Neil Ham, Danny Egg and Sean Pastry first mind.
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
Yes, we’re back in agreement Joby.
Praet Tielemans and Ndidi is quite a balanced 3. If they were disciplined we could play a quiche attacking front 3.
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Wow! Exciting, what's this innovative new quiche attacking style exactly?
comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
Yes, we’re back in agreement Joby.
Praet Tielemans and Ndidi is quite a balanced 3. If they were disciplined we could play a quiche attacking front 3.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wow! Exciting, what's this innovative new quiche attacking style exactly?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Vardy, Perez and Barnes going all out attack, and after every goal they celebrate by eating a different quiche.
comment by True Blue (U9486)
posted 1 day, 14 hours ago
A very difficult game, Roy has Palace playing really well and only a few points behind us.
I'd take a draw now if offered.
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Morning all
We've had our fair share of luck (re- VAR) so far TB which has obviously helped our current league position tbh so i'm not expecting too much out of this game.
I'd also be happy with a draw but my head says 1-2.
Safe journey to all making their way down
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 13 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by True Blue (U9486)
posted 1 day, 14 hours ago
A very difficult game, Roy has Palace playing really well and only a few points behind us.
I'd take a draw now if offered.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Morning all
We've had our fair share of luck (re- VAR) so far TB which has obviously helped our current league position tbh so i'm not expecting too much out of this game.
I'd also be happy with a draw but my head says 1-2.
Safe journey to all making their way down
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Good call.
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posted on 30/10/19
Definitely stick with the same team and same approach. Although, you can guarantee Hodgson will not let his team get anywhere near as poor as Southampton were.
The last few Palace games summed up Puel's tenure for me. They knew exactly how to play against us, and he had no response. Hopefully we're a completely different kettle of fish this time round and it's if them that we ask the questions of...
As BS mentioned the other day, key game and a good marker of our ability. I'm going to be optimistic and see more goals flowing. 1-4
posted on 30/10/19
*of them
posted on 30/10/19
I don't think there should be any great tactical masterplan for this other than to go down there with the same line-up and back ourselves to beat them. Obviously there will be tweaks, judging the opposition, advising on how best to deal with Zaha, etc., but I'd expect something not dissimilar to the Burnley match overall.
And I'd probably stick up the last 4 scorelines against Palace in the dressing room beforehand for some further motivation to get one over on them this time.
posted on 30/10/19
Sorry Joby, I love you but your musing are just far too sensible and constructive for me to debate.
I mean, who argues to keep the sane team after a 9-0 win?!!
In all seriousness though, our main concern from palace will be on the counter and exploiting our width. Chilwell and Pereira will be key for me.
If we can push their fullbacks back down the pitch with a midfield 5 then let’s stick with that. However, a can see palace causing us problems down the flanks if we play 4-1-4-1.
However, why change a winning formula. I we play that we have to be aggressive and stop their counters high up the pitch to force their fullbacks back.
Anyone at the game last night? Did anyone stake a real claim to start?
Praet is probably the only one who is knocking loudly on the first team door currently.
posted on 30/10/19
I think this is it really. You don’t change a side that has won 9-0 in its previous game, but that doesn’t, necessarily mean it’s the right thing not to do so.
Do we make any special provision for a side that has thrashed us 3 out of the last 4 times we’ve played them? We surely must be looking at what went wrong previously.
We can, of course, change tactics and not personnel, which is what Mersey alludes to above. But, as BS said in an earlier article, this is a real test and probably a good benchmark to where we are and our future trajectory. Win here well and I might start to believe some of the hype.
posted on 30/10/19
My gut feeling would be to stick with the same formation and leave them worry about us.
Whatever, not 2 DMs Brendan!
posted on 31/10/19
Hopefully we set up the same and go for the kill.
None of this 2 DM nonsense.
Expect it to be a cagey game with Palace stifling us.
Got a feeling we will come away with a point. 1-1
posted on 31/10/19
"Whatever, not 2 DMs Brendan!"
"None of this 2 DM nonsense."
I'm hoping that BRodgers has now seen the error of his ways here and we won't be going back to 2 CDMs anytime soon.
Good job he's the manager and not Merseysidefox eh?
posted on 31/10/19
As a demonstration of the apathy around here I even slipped Iheanacho in amongst the subs and nobody noticed ....
posted on 31/10/19
With victory comes apathy.
I advocate 2cdm against Liverpool at home.
How does that make you feel Joby?
posted on 1/11/19
I don’t think that you realise Mersey that when you disagreed with me on that previous thread it rocked my world. When the few things that you rely on, that are the consistent bedrock of your existence, are threatened then it makes you question the whole meaning of life.
That’s the reason I keep referring to it. At some point I’m hoping that you will realise it as an error. A statistical blip that can be removed as an outlier because it detracts from the overall truism. At that point my equilibrium might be restored.
posted on 1/11/19
A very difficult game, Roy has Palace playing really well and only a few points behind us.
I'd take a draw now if offered.
posted on 1/11/19
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 8 hours, 24 minutes ago
I don’t think that you realise Mersey that when you disagreed with me on that previous thread it rocked my world. When the few things that you rely on, that are the consistent bedrock of your existence, are threatened then it makes you question the whole meaning of life.
That’s the reason I keep referring to it. At some point I’m hoping that you will realise it as an error. A statistical blip that can be removed as an outlier because it detracts from the overall truism. At that point my equilibrium might be restored.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My world crumbled at that point Joby. Everything odd ever trusted in life game crashing down around me.
I no longer believe the sky is blue or the earth is round.
And I still believe Liverpool would have torn us a new one if we’d played 4-1-4-1.
I’m just left stuck with huge questions like: does the pope actually Sh 1t in the woods?
posted on 2/11/19
Maybe all is not lost.
I was not fixed on formation - just not playing N’didi AND Choudhury .....
??
posted on 2/11/19
What about a 4-3-3 with Ndidi, Praet and Tielemans behind Vardy, Barnes and Albrighton. That could make us more solid and compact against the top teams?
posted on 2/11/19
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
What about a 4-3-3 with Ndidi, Praet and Tielemans behind Vardy, Barnes and Albrighton. That could make us more solid and compact against the top teams?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes I’m not that worried about that. I don’t really see Praet as purely a defensive midfielder in the way Hamza and Wilf are. He has a range of passing to his game.
When Wilf was partnered with Mendy his game dropped as somebody had to be the person who provided the carry or passing from midfield - not his game - and not was it Mendy’s. Hamza is similar in that he’s a disruptor and not a creator. We can’t play both Choudhury and N’didi if we want balance - that was my point.
posted on 2/11/19
Yes, I don’t disagree with that Joby. My only point was relying solely on Ndidi to protect a flat back 4 with attacking fullbacks against a team that play in between the lines and use width would see us murdered!!
I agree with all you’ve said there. Choudhury and Ndidi together creates imbalance and I don’t like Choudhury in that wide left role in a 4-3-3. Problem is you have to drop Maddison to make 4-3-3 work and I don’t think Rodgers with do that.
So let’s agree that when we face a team like that we go 4-1-2-2-1 and play zero width 🙃.
Ndidi
Preat Tielemans
Perez Maddison
Vardy
How can it fail?
posted on 2/11/19
I agree on dropping Maddison too.
I like Maddison centrally so if you’re reverting to 4-3-3 it’s probably a choice between him and Tielemans. It’s a balance problem you might have against the better teams and I’d rather that than force Maddison to play where he’s not effective (i.e. out wide).
As long as the solution doesn’t involve picking two of N’didi, Choudhury and Mendy in that midfield three - then I’m happy it’s an option.
posted on 2/11/19
Yes, we’re back in agreement Joby.
Praet Tielemans and Ndidi is quite a balanced 3. If they were disciplined we could play a quiche attacking front 3.
posted on 2/11/19
We’d have to sign Neil Ham, Danny Egg and Sean Pastry first mind.
posted on 2/11/19
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
Yes, we’re back in agreement Joby.
Praet Tielemans and Ndidi is quite a balanced 3. If they were disciplined we could play a quiche attacking front 3.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wow! Exciting, what's this innovative new quiche attacking style exactly?
posted on 2/11/19
comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
Yes, we’re back in agreement Joby.
Praet Tielemans and Ndidi is quite a balanced 3. If they were disciplined we could play a quiche attacking front 3.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wow! Exciting, what's this innovative new quiche attacking style exactly?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Vardy, Perez and Barnes going all out attack, and after every goal they celebrate by eating a different quiche.
posted on 3/11/19
comment by True Blue (U9486)
posted 1 day, 14 hours ago
A very difficult game, Roy has Palace playing really well and only a few points behind us.
I'd take a draw now if offered.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Morning all
We've had our fair share of luck (re- VAR) so far TB which has obviously helped our current league position tbh so i'm not expecting too much out of this game.
I'd also be happy with a draw but my head says 1-2.
Safe journey to all making their way down
posted on 3/11/19
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 13 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by True Blue (U9486)
posted 1 day, 14 hours ago
A very difficult game, Roy has Palace playing really well and only a few points behind us.
I'd take a draw now if offered.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Morning all
We've had our fair share of luck (re- VAR) so far TB which has obviously helped our current league position tbh so i'm not expecting too much out of this game.
I'd also be happy with a draw but my head says 1-2.
Safe journey to all making their way down
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good call.
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