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Richard Keogh sacked by Derby

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posted on 31/10/19

Flucking Hell, Leeds fans trying to play the morality card.

I think I'd have preferred Brexit tomorrow?

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Sorry Scouse you're a d!ck. you support a club that is morally bankrupt. I suppose you refer to Bielsagate, this is but nothing compared to what your filthy club has done over and over in the last year. Crawl back under your rock son with the rest of your foul brethren.

comment by Scouse (U9675)

posted on 31/10/19

comment by Elsbels - One needs to be loved to win, not win to be loved. (U21658)
posted 1 minute ago
Flucking Hell, Leeds fans trying to play the morality card.

I think I'd have preferred Brexit tomorrow?

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Sorry Scouse you're a d!ck. you support a club that is morally bankrupt. I suppose you refer to Bielsagate, this is but nothing compared to what your filthy club has done over and over in the last year. Crawl back under your rock son with the rest of your foul brethren.
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Righto, lead the way.

posted on 1/11/19

“foul brethren”

posted on 1/11/19

comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 50 minutes ago
“foul brethren”


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Bit sexist? Surely there are females associated with our club?

posted on 1/11/19

comment by RJC (U17308)
posted 13 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by 🎤Mike drop🎤 (U15513)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
Can't do his job due to his own misadventure. Was even offered a lower wage. Declined it as he felt he was ok to breach his original contract so flippantly and outrageously and continue earning 1.6m per year.

No sympathy here.
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No doubt his brief will have assured him that if it goes to court he'll get a higher figure.

Silly carthorse
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It’s not his own misadventure though is it? His injuries ate the results of a team mate.

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 1/11/19

Did his team mates put gun to his head and say don’t get in taxis club laid on for you but get into our car whilst we drunk drive at high speeds home?

posted on 1/11/19

It is his own misadventure though, he chose to put himself at risk by getting into a car with someone he knew was over the limit to safely drive. He also wasn't wearing a seat belt, which was probably the reason he got that injury.

posted on 1/11/19

There is certainly an element of contributory negligence. Assuming that Keogh sues Lawrence for loss of earnings, the latter's insurers will seek to reduce the amount of any damages awarded on that basis.

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 1/11/19

Whole thing is a mess.

In an ideal world this would happen:
Drivers jailed for drink driving and accident.
Football authorities ban players from football for x amount of months after release from jail.
Derby can then cancel contracts and seek recompense from insurers or players (wasn’t recompense sought by chelsea from mutu?)
Keogh disciplined seperately by by club depending on his influence on situation.
Keogh and derby agree early termination of contract, maybe not instant dismissal but say 3 months from date of incident.

posted on 1/11/19

"In an ideal world this would happen:
Drivers jailed for drink driving and accident."

Why is this ideal?

There are sentencing guidelines for these offences and a jail term is not usual. It's a matter of personal opinion about whether sentences are generally too lenient for these and other crimes. Our jails are already overcrowded and there is evidence that jail terms increase rather than decrease subsequent offending by individuals (I don't mean footballers). It can be argued that footballers should receive greater sentences than those in other jobs because of the role model aspect but that would be a bit discriminatory.

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 1/11/19

comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 6 minutes ago
"In an ideal world this would happen:
Drivers jailed for drink driving and accident."

Why is this ideal?

There are sentencing guidelines for these offences and a jail term is not usual. It's a matter of personal opinion about whether sentences are generally too lenient for these and other crimes. Our jails are already overcrowded and there is evidence that jail terms increase rather than decrease subsequent offending by individuals (I don't mean footballers). It can be argued that footballers should receive greater sentences than those in other jobs because of the role model aspect but that would be a bit discriminatory.
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I don’t know where you get your information from Vidal but it’s not correct, but let’s look at what the government says about punishment for drink driving:

https://www.gov.uk/drink-driving-penalties

Driving or attempting to drive while above the legal limit or unfit through drink
You may get:

6 months’ imprisonment
an unlimited fine
a driving ban for at least 1 year (3 years if convicted twice in 10 years)

posted on 1/11/19

It depends on the level of alcohol. It would be highly unusual for a custodial offence for the levels that were found in the case of these two. Your reference is a general one for the public about what might happen but there are specific sentencing guidelines.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/excess-alcohol-driveattempt-to-drive-revised-2017/

You will see that they were given sentences in keeping with what is recommended.

posted on 1/11/19

Did the judge not say he was considering a custodial sentence ? Only to let them off because they pleaded that they wouldn't be able to handle jail ?

"Please m'lud, don't send me to that nasty place I'm just a nancy boy footballer they'd eat me alive."

posted on 1/11/19

Jail would have been harsh imo. They could have killed someone, but they didn't and what they got is what they deserve.

What the club do, is another thing and the players are well within their right to play football and do their job, just not sure if were Leeds, I'd want them anywhere near the club anymore. It's not just the fact they got caught drink driving, it's the fact they caused carnage as a result and someone got injured.

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 1/11/19

District Judge Jonathan Taaffe had warned them a prison sentence was an option, as passengers were in the cars and they had left the scene.

The court heard Welsh international Lawrence, 25, gave a breath test reading of 58mcg per 100ml and Bennett a reading of 64. The legal limit is 35mcg per 100ml.

He told them the most aggravating feature was that they "left the scene when a fellow professional was injured in one of the vehicles".
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Both drivers drunk, both drivers crashed. Nearly double the legal limit, fled the scene leaving injured passenger behind. I would see nothing unusual in a custodial sentence for both these idiots.

posted on 1/11/19

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 21 minutes ago
District Judge Jonathan Taaffe had warned them a prison sentence was an option, as passengers were in the cars and they had left the scene.

The court heard Welsh international Lawrence, 25, gave a breath test reading of 58mcg per 100ml and Bennett a reading of 64. The legal limit is 35mcg per 100ml.

He told them the most aggravating feature was that they "left the scene when a fellow professional was injured in one of the vehicles".
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Both drivers drunk, both drivers crashed. Nearly double the legal limit, fled the scene leaving injured passenger behind. I would see nothing unusual in a custodial sentence for both these idiots.

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You should probably write to your MP

posted on 1/11/19

Generally, judges take more notice of sentencing guidelines than they do of what a random Leeds supporter might regard as "nothing unusual". For those levels the guidelines suggest a fine of around 150% of the weekly wage for Lawrence together with a "low level community order" and a similar fine for Bennett with no recommendation for community order. So in fact the punishment given to them was greater than would normally be expected.

But writing to your MP is probably the right thing if you feel strongly about it.

posted on 1/11/19

comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 24 minutes ago
Generally, judges take more notice of sentencing guidelines than they do of what a random Leeds supporter might regard as "nothing unusual". For those levels the guidelines suggest a fine of around 150% of the weekly wage for Lawrence together with a "low level community order" and a similar fine for Bennett with no recommendation for community order. So in fact the punishment given to them was greater than would normally be expected.

But writing to your MP is probably the right thing if you feel strongly about it.


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Only on the 606 pages ………….

They've all been punished to varying degrees and i'm sure some legal chap with a wig type thing, has handed out what was deemed appropriate given the circumstances (of which i'm sure they've got a full non-media or social media interpreted account).

As for Mr K, i'm sure his legal reps will be working overtime to see what can be done for their client. Lets see what pans out in the coming weeks.

I'd much rather focus back on the players actually playing tomorrow against QPR in our case, than 3 over paid w45kers over indulging and behaving like 5 year olds.

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 1/11/19

comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 46 minutes ago
Generally, judges take more notice of sentencing guidelines than they do of what a random Leeds supporter might regard as "nothing unusual". For those levels the guidelines suggest a fine of around 150% of the weekly wage for Lawrence together with a "low level community order" and a similar fine for Bennett with no recommendation for community order. So in fact the punishment given to them was greater than would normally be expected.

But writing to your MP is probably the right thing if you feel strongly about it.


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That might be the case for just drink driving but there was crashing and fleeing the scene leaving a severely injured passenger as well, hence harsher sentence more appropriate.

posted on 1/11/19

Yes, hence why they received a more severe sentence than ordinarily recommended. I do believe you are finally getting there, Jonty.

posted on 4/11/19

Richard Keogh: Agent says Derby should have treated sacked defender 'like family'

Richard Keogh's agent said the player will look to continue his rehabilitation at St George's Park, the Football Association's national football centre
Richard Keogh's agent claims the player's seven years of service to Derby was not properly considered when they sacked him for gross misconduct.

Keogh, 33, was sacked for his involvement in a crash that left him injured and led to two team-mates pleading guilty to drink-driving.

"To be kicked to the kerb is a really difficult pill to swallow," Keogh's agent Cos Toffis said.

"He's bled in that shirt, fought in that shirt and cried in that shirt."

Keogh, who captained the club until the incident, sustained knee ligament damage and was ruled out for more than a year after a car driven by Tom Lawrence crashed into a lamppost on 24 September.

Midfielder Lawrence and Rams forward Mason Bennett were fined six weeks' wages by the club, while Derby magistrates' court ordered the players to carry out 180 hours of unpaid work, gave them a 12-month community order and banned them both from driving for two years.

Keogh's role as skipper and the added responsibility that came with the position were factors in his sacking, BBC Radio Derby reported on Thursday.

'He deserved to be treated like family'

But in an interview with talkSPORT, Toffis said he was "absolutely shocked" when his client was dismissed after seven years with the club.

"It was something we were paranoid about, but at no point did we think it was going to happen," he said.

"The only thing I pleaded for is that Richard be treated like family - he deserved to be treated like family.

"Richard played 356 games for the football club and whenever a player commits and dedicates to a football club the way Richard has, I think you become part of that family.

"I don't think I can put into words how much he's hurting and what his family are going through.

"Richard is in a really bad way, it's heartbreaking. Richard's world has been absolutely rocked."

'Keogh will play again'

Asked if Keogh should have known better than to get into the car with his team-mate after a night drinking, Toffis said: "I'm not going to accept that.

"I can't really go into the events of the evening, but I do have a side of the events so I can't accept what you just said."

Keogh had 14 days to appeal against Derby's decision from the point that it was made last Wednesday.

However, Toffis said no conversations had yet taken place with the club regarding a possible reconciliation.

"The decision was made by them, they closed that door when they made that decision and since they did my phone hasn't rung," he said.

"I'm a football agent, my phone number isn't blocked to anyone. If they ring there'll be a conversation of course."

Toffis also said that Keogh, who was originally ruled out for 15 months, is "ahead of schedule" with his rehabilitation and is aiming to return by November 2020.

"He is the most determined character I've ever come across in my life," he added. "If there is one thing he will do, it's play again."

comment by Scouse (U9675)

posted on 4/11/19

Will Brexit be the death of football agents? If so I might come round to the idea.😏

posted on 5/11/19

I think these Leeds fans should concentrate on their racist goalkeeper, fancy using the "N" word to another player. Makes Keogh look like an innocent angel.

posted on 5/11/19

comment by VC10Ram (U18980)
posted 5 hours, 12 minutes ago
I think these Leeds fans should concentrate on their racist goalkeeper, fancy using the "N" word to another player. Makes Keogh look like an innocent angel.
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Thinking does not appear to be your strength then?

posted on 6/11/19

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50322199

Exactly as many have stated in this thread, the PFA will defend Keogh on the basis of clear discrimination

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