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Ptretty much what GT has written.
When ge first came I wondered about him tactically but now I think he is right up there. We've played so many different systems and Ive seen him solve so many oroblem, be that in match or buy an astute signing that he's waited for) that Im now convinced he's right up there.
If he wins the Prem and CL in five years after taking over a Europa league club he deserves a statue.
My post is littered with typo errors 😬
Gerrard has done a good job up here so far, still learning and that's noticeable especially when it comes to substitutions (which he leaves too late, too often) but he's instilled the culture of old at Rangers and made good signings, improving us continually.
Would be mighty impressive if he could win the league title this season but unless it collapses he would get next season too i suspect.
The progress in Europe has been outstanding from 1st round qualifier embarrassment prior to his arrival to being the first team to qualify through all 4 qualifying rounds twice in a row and decent group stage showings.
If he gets a win tonight then we are in dreamland and surely favourites to progress out of the group too
I think Gerrard, even if we were to usurp Celtic in the SPL has a lot to prove before he becomes the manager of Liverpool. The problem in the past was hiring managers who's biggest achievement in their career was being hired by Liverpool (Rodgers, Hodgson come to mind), a very different mindset to hiring managers with proven success (Klopp, Benitez who have both been excellent).
However I think we will go a different route and Pep Ljinders will be our next manager in 2022. When we were at our peak we were always promoting from within rather than external hires, ensuring a consistency in approach and mentality that you don't get with a merry-go-round of managerial hires.
We've finally managed to nail the mentality at the club, and there is a fantastic cohesive approach. Bringing in an external hire might ruin that, so I see Ljinders as our next permanent manager.
Rafa won 2 trophies and made a couple finals. His time was ended perhaps prematurely but lack of money but also some odd decision making and poor buys
Houllier won 3 major and two minor tin pots i none year and then another league cup. He got severely carried away with himself. more bad buys leading to sack
Evan was pretty but walked all over. one league cup
Hodgson and rodgers don't merit a mention
Dalglish won a league cup in second stint.
For me Of the "Modern era" klopp is by far and away the best manager and has done the best job.
3/4 finals and one major trophy as well.
My beleif is he's better than dalglish as when kenny was kenny he let the team get old and let it fall apart ,but times were tough.
I agree that if Klopp wins us the league he will be rated as high as managers such as Paisley.
As far as the next manager, if it is to be Gerrard I hope the decision is made for the right reasons and not because of what he did as a player.
I mentioned Rogers ( unlikely to happen ) as I think he has improved as a manager since he left us.
Personally don't like the idea of Gerrard of becoming the next manager just because he's a legend. Stinks of romanticism and a lack of logic. Im really hoping Pep Lijnders takes over from Klopp
comment by BODinho (U13924)
posted 7 minutes ago
I agree that if Klopp wins us the league he will be rated as high as managers such as Paisley.
As far as the next manager, if it is to be Gerrard I hope the decision is made for the right reasons and not because of what he did as a player.
I mentioned Rogers ( unlikely to happen ) as I think he has improved as a manager since he left us.
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Rodgers is up there tactically. The issue he appeared to have is convincing big players to sign. I don't think he'd have that problem this time around as we're now a massive draw but that includes managers too. Therefore we'd likely have a host of top managers to choose from. They would all be a step down from Klopp so it will be a sad day regardless.
I'd love it to be Gerrard but I can't see them offering it to him until he has proved himself.
Pep would love to manage Liverpool. He talks about us all the time and doesn’t like the fan base at city the soulless club
If Klopp wins the title he is up there, probably with Shanks. Not with Bob though, look at his record. 3 European cups, six titles in nine years. Plus I don't know what else in cups.
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 16 minutes ago
If Klopp wins the title he is up there, probably with Shanks. Not with Bob though, look at his record. 3 European cups, six titles in nine years. Plus I don't know what else in cups.
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Not arguing with you but you could argue that Bob took over the best side in the country at the time.
Klopp took over what was basically a mid table side that had had a badly mismanaged squad for a few years.
comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 16 minutes ago
If Klopp wins the title he is up there, probably with Shanks. Not with Bob though, look at his record. 3 European cups, six titles in nine years. Plus I don't know what else in cups.
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Not arguing with you but you could argue that Bob took over the best side in the country at the time.
Klopp took over what was basically a mid table side that had had a badly mismanaged squad for a few years.
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you could certainly.
Paisley built his own team but from strength.
Klopp's built his not only from position of weakness but also with unlimited funded rivals.
Granted Klopp will probably leave in 2022 but why would that be the right thing?
Personally I've not given up that he could change his mind depending in what happens in between.
If we are winning league titles and European cups I feel it will still be a big decision to leave all that behind to start an uncertain project somewhere else. He could decide to milk it for another 2/3 years, he's still young. You never know.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 38 minutes ago
If Klopp wins the title he is up there, probably with Shanks. Not with Bob though, look at his record. 3 European cups, six titles in nine years. Plus I don't know what else in cups.
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19 trophies in 9 seasons, statistically the greatest manager ever in english football.
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
Granted Klopp will probably leave in 2022 but why would that be the right thing?
Personally I've not given up that he could change his mind depending in what happens in between.
If we are winning league titles and European cups I feel it will still be a big decision to leave all that behind to start an uncertain project somewhere else. He could decide to milk it for another 2/3 years, he's still young. You never know.
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He's promised his wife that they would travel the world when his contract ends.
Klopp's not a milker. He's not a spoofer. he's not an attention seeker.
If he's made a commitment to the wife then that is that.
And why not? Its rather selfish of us to want him to continue til he gets flogged to death.
He knows his mind and he knows that theres a lot more to life than football.
Thats why all the bull about bayern, germany and real is just that. complete bs.
he is here til 2022 then he is off, and he is not going to walk into another project. He'll do his thing
Still there is a chance and I'm sure the club will do all they can to get him to stay but if he leaves so be it, but not without a fight I hope.
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 49 seconds ago
Klopp's not a milker. He's not a spoofer. he's not an attention seeker.
If he's made a commitment to the wife then that is that.
And why not? Its rather selfish of us to want him to continue til he gets flogged to death.
He knows his mind and he knows that theres a lot more to life than football.
Thats why all the bull about bayern, germany and real is just that. complete bs.
he is here til 2022 then he is off, and he is not going to walk into another project. He'll do his thing
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
Granted Klopp will probably leave in 2022 but why would that be the right thing?
Personally I've not given up that he could change his mind depending in what happens in between.
If we are winning league titles and European cups I feel it will still be a big decision to leave all that behind to start an uncertain project somewhere else. He could decide to milk it for another 2/3 years, he's still young. You never know.
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He's promised his wife that they would travel the world when his contract ends.
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Maybe he just means he'll take her along on our pre-season tours/CL games starting from 2022.
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comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 10 minutes ago
Klopp's not a milker. He's not a spoofer. he's not an attention seeker.
If he's made a commitment to the wife then that is that.
And why not? Its rather selfish of us to want him to continue til he gets flogged to death.
He knows his mind and he knows that theres a lot more to life than football.
Thats why all the bull about bayern, germany and real is just that. complete bs.
he is here til 2022 then he is off, and he is not going to walk into another project. He'll do his thing
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Yeah I see it the same, he will do what he's agreed to and probably sees it similar to Dortmund whereby after 7 or so years things begin to get stale.
He will leave the club in a far better place then when he found it, hopefully with a league title or two.
I'd fancy it to be Pep Lin to follow and not Gerrard.
Pepijn Lijnders seems to be a popular choice.
Assuming that Klopp leaves the squad in a good state, we would need continuity & not a complete change of direction.
It's wether or not Pep could make the step up from a coach to being the main man. And would he be able to attract the top players in the way that Klopp can.
The anfile Dwrap interviewed Milner recently and he speaks so highly of Lijnders in it, but valid point on would he have the same pull as Klopp, like personality really is a big part of what makes Klopp the manager he is and is certainly part of what woudl attract a player to the club.
Like Mbappe loves Klopp so he's defo coming to us this summer.
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posted on 7/11/19
Ptretty much what GT has written.
When ge first came I wondered about him tactically but now I think he is right up there. We've played so many different systems and Ive seen him solve so many oroblem, be that in match or buy an astute signing that he's waited for) that Im now convinced he's right up there.
If he wins the Prem and CL in five years after taking over a Europa league club he deserves a statue.
posted on 7/11/19
My post is littered with typo errors 😬
posted on 7/11/19
Gerrard has done a good job up here so far, still learning and that's noticeable especially when it comes to substitutions (which he leaves too late, too often) but he's instilled the culture of old at Rangers and made good signings, improving us continually.
Would be mighty impressive if he could win the league title this season but unless it collapses he would get next season too i suspect.
The progress in Europe has been outstanding from 1st round qualifier embarrassment prior to his arrival to being the first team to qualify through all 4 qualifying rounds twice in a row and decent group stage showings.
If he gets a win tonight then we are in dreamland and surely favourites to progress out of the group too
posted on 7/11/19
I think Gerrard, even if we were to usurp Celtic in the SPL has a lot to prove before he becomes the manager of Liverpool. The problem in the past was hiring managers who's biggest achievement in their career was being hired by Liverpool (Rodgers, Hodgson come to mind), a very different mindset to hiring managers with proven success (Klopp, Benitez who have both been excellent).
However I think we will go a different route and Pep Ljinders will be our next manager in 2022. When we were at our peak we were always promoting from within rather than external hires, ensuring a consistency in approach and mentality that you don't get with a merry-go-round of managerial hires.
We've finally managed to nail the mentality at the club, and there is a fantastic cohesive approach. Bringing in an external hire might ruin that, so I see Ljinders as our next permanent manager.
posted on 7/11/19
Rafa won 2 trophies and made a couple finals. His time was ended perhaps prematurely but lack of money but also some odd decision making and poor buys
Houllier won 3 major and two minor tin pots i none year and then another league cup. He got severely carried away with himself. more bad buys leading to sack
Evan was pretty but walked all over. one league cup
Hodgson and rodgers don't merit a mention
Dalglish won a league cup in second stint.
For me Of the "Modern era" klopp is by far and away the best manager and has done the best job.
3/4 finals and one major trophy as well.
My beleif is he's better than dalglish as when kenny was kenny he let the team get old and let it fall apart ,but times were tough.
posted on 7/11/19
I agree that if Klopp wins us the league he will be rated as high as managers such as Paisley.
As far as the next manager, if it is to be Gerrard I hope the decision is made for the right reasons and not because of what he did as a player.
I mentioned Rogers ( unlikely to happen ) as I think he has improved as a manager since he left us.
posted on 7/11/19
Personally don't like the idea of Gerrard of becoming the next manager just because he's a legend. Stinks of romanticism and a lack of logic. Im really hoping Pep Lijnders takes over from Klopp
posted on 7/11/19
comment by BODinho (U13924)
posted 7 minutes ago
I agree that if Klopp wins us the league he will be rated as high as managers such as Paisley.
As far as the next manager, if it is to be Gerrard I hope the decision is made for the right reasons and not because of what he did as a player.
I mentioned Rogers ( unlikely to happen ) as I think he has improved as a manager since he left us.
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Rodgers is up there tactically. The issue he appeared to have is convincing big players to sign. I don't think he'd have that problem this time around as we're now a massive draw but that includes managers too. Therefore we'd likely have a host of top managers to choose from. They would all be a step down from Klopp so it will be a sad day regardless.
I'd love it to be Gerrard but I can't see them offering it to him until he has proved himself.
posted on 7/11/19
Pep would love to manage Liverpool. He talks about us all the time and doesn’t like the fan base at city the soulless club
posted on 7/11/19
If Klopp wins the title he is up there, probably with Shanks. Not with Bob though, look at his record. 3 European cups, six titles in nine years. Plus I don't know what else in cups.
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posted on 7/11/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 16 minutes ago
If Klopp wins the title he is up there, probably with Shanks. Not with Bob though, look at his record. 3 European cups, six titles in nine years. Plus I don't know what else in cups.
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Not arguing with you but you could argue that Bob took over the best side in the country at the time.
Klopp took over what was basically a mid table side that had had a badly mismanaged squad for a few years.
posted on 7/11/19
comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 16 minutes ago
If Klopp wins the title he is up there, probably with Shanks. Not with Bob though, look at his record. 3 European cups, six titles in nine years. Plus I don't know what else in cups.
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Not arguing with you but you could argue that Bob took over the best side in the country at the time.
Klopp took over what was basically a mid table side that had had a badly mismanaged squad for a few years.
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you could certainly.
Paisley built his own team but from strength.
Klopp's built his not only from position of weakness but also with unlimited funded rivals.
posted on 7/11/19
Granted Klopp will probably leave in 2022 but why would that be the right thing?
Personally I've not given up that he could change his mind depending in what happens in between.
If we are winning league titles and European cups I feel it will still be a big decision to leave all that behind to start an uncertain project somewhere else. He could decide to milk it for another 2/3 years, he's still young. You never know.
posted on 7/11/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 38 minutes ago
If Klopp wins the title he is up there, probably with Shanks. Not with Bob though, look at his record. 3 European cups, six titles in nine years. Plus I don't know what else in cups.
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19 trophies in 9 seasons, statistically the greatest manager ever in english football.
posted on 7/11/19
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
Granted Klopp will probably leave in 2022 but why would that be the right thing?
Personally I've not given up that he could change his mind depending in what happens in between.
If we are winning league titles and European cups I feel it will still be a big decision to leave all that behind to start an uncertain project somewhere else. He could decide to milk it for another 2/3 years, he's still young. You never know.
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He's promised his wife that they would travel the world when his contract ends.
posted on 7/11/19
Klopp's not a milker. He's not a spoofer. he's not an attention seeker.
If he's made a commitment to the wife then that is that.
And why not? Its rather selfish of us to want him to continue til he gets flogged to death.
He knows his mind and he knows that theres a lot more to life than football.
Thats why all the bull about bayern, germany and real is just that. complete bs.
he is here til 2022 then he is off, and he is not going to walk into another project. He'll do his thing
posted on 7/11/19
Still there is a chance and I'm sure the club will do all they can to get him to stay but if he leaves so be it, but not without a fight I hope.
posted on 7/11/19
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 49 seconds ago
Klopp's not a milker. He's not a spoofer. he's not an attention seeker.
If he's made a commitment to the wife then that is that.
And why not? Its rather selfish of us to want him to continue til he gets flogged to death.
He knows his mind and he knows that theres a lot more to life than football.
Thats why all the bull about bayern, germany and real is just that. complete bs.
he is here til 2022 then he is off, and he is not going to walk into another project. He'll do his thing
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posted on 7/11/19
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
Granted Klopp will probably leave in 2022 but why would that be the right thing?
Personally I've not given up that he could change his mind depending in what happens in between.
If we are winning league titles and European cups I feel it will still be a big decision to leave all that behind to start an uncertain project somewhere else. He could decide to milk it for another 2/3 years, he's still young. You never know.
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He's promised his wife that they would travel the world when his contract ends.
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Maybe he just means he'll take her along on our pre-season tours/CL games starting from 2022.
posted on 7/11/19
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posted on 7/11/19
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 10 minutes ago
Klopp's not a milker. He's not a spoofer. he's not an attention seeker.
If he's made a commitment to the wife then that is that.
And why not? Its rather selfish of us to want him to continue til he gets flogged to death.
He knows his mind and he knows that theres a lot more to life than football.
Thats why all the bull about bayern, germany and real is just that. complete bs.
he is here til 2022 then he is off, and he is not going to walk into another project. He'll do his thing
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Yeah I see it the same, he will do what he's agreed to and probably sees it similar to Dortmund whereby after 7 or so years things begin to get stale.
He will leave the club in a far better place then when he found it, hopefully with a league title or two.
I'd fancy it to be Pep Lin to follow and not Gerrard.
posted on 7/11/19
Pepijn Lijnders seems to be a popular choice.
Assuming that Klopp leaves the squad in a good state, we would need continuity & not a complete change of direction.
It's wether or not Pep could make the step up from a coach to being the main man. And would he be able to attract the top players in the way that Klopp can.
posted on 7/11/19
The anfile Dwrap interviewed Milner recently and he speaks so highly of Lijnders in it, but valid point on would he have the same pull as Klopp, like personality really is a big part of what makes Klopp the manager he is and is certainly part of what woudl attract a player to the club.
Like Mbappe loves Klopp so he's defo coming to us this summer.
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