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When Auba dries up, we need goals from elsewhere and they aren't coming from Pepe.
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Well, Lacazette is our striker so maybe him? Pepe has outscored Laca anyway.
Özil - An absentee, even when he plays. The occasional good game isn't enough to convince me that he deserves to be our biggest earner and he still doesn't track back, tough out duels or refrain from looking like a sulky teenager when things aren't going his way.
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This tracking back thing really makes me mad. Is it his job to track back? Does Messi tracks back? Ronaldo? Ozil is attacking player, his job is to give service to attackers and he is best by far in our team in that. 2 midfielders behind him should protect us, not Ozil.
We concede same amount of goals when Ozil is playing and not tracking back as we are when someone else plays his role and is tracking back.
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 1 minute ago
Özil - An absentee, even when he plays. The occasional good game isn't enough to convince me that he deserves to be our biggest earner and he still doesn't track back, tough out duels or refrain from looking like a sulky teenager when things aren't going his way.
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This tracking back thing really makes me mad. Is it his job to track back? Does Messi tracks back? Ronaldo? Ozil is attacking player, his job is to give service to attackers and he is best by far in our team in that. 2 midfielders behind him should protect us, not Ozil.
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Playing in a side this defensively weak. In the PL? YES IT BLOODY WELL IS HIS JOB, to track back! Same as everybody else. Messi and Ronaldo play/ed in sides far far stronger behind them than Ozil does. In a league far far weaker, less challenging and critically, less combative league than the PL. Sides which both had the luxury of saying “You don't need to do any of that Mesut.” Arsenal FC doesn't have that luxury.
Harsh on Ron there too. I can't stand him but give him his due, I've seen him chase back to get the ball plenty. When he wants and can get it, he's a proper scrapper. It's only when he's got and is trying to keep it, that he becomes a wilting flower toppled by so much as a breeze.
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 17 minutes ago
We concede same amount of goals when Ozil is playing and not tracking back as we are when someone else plays his role and is tracking back.
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No, we really don't.
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 44 minutes ago
Özil - An absentee, even when he plays. The occasional good game isn't enough to convince me that he deserves to be our biggest earner and he still doesn't track back, tough out duels or refrain from looking like a sulky teenager when things aren't going his way.
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This tracking back thing really makes me mad. Is it his job to track back? Does Messi tracks back? Ronaldo? Ozil is attacking player, his job is to give service to attackers and he is best by far in our team in that. 2 midfielders behind him should protect us, not Ozil.
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Does ozil score near enough every game and get an assist to go with it? Comparing ozil to messi and ronaldo who play as strikers is ridiculous. Even hazard, a vastly superior player to ozil tracked back and played to the system defensively.
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 17 minutes ago
We concede same amount of goals when Ozil is playing and not tracking back as we are when someone else plays his role and is tracking back.
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No, we really don't.
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Oh really? Show me the stats that prove this.
Messi works very hard for Barcelona both defensively & offensively, don't think anyone can really question Ronaldo's work rate to Ozil's, just look at what he has achieved in life and as a player by adding sheer hard work to natural ability.
It's actually comical to mention Ozil's name in the same sentence as Messi or Ronaldo, if he was even 1/10th as good as either of them none of us would give a chit whether he worked hard defensively or not.
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 3 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 17 minutes ago
We concede same amount of goals when Ozil is playing and not tracking back as we are when someone else plays his role and is tracking back.
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No, we really don't.
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Oh really? Show me the stats that prove this.
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Stats are right where you looked when you went and checked the season goal tallies for the last couple of years. Your problem is you failed to take into account the back line chaos (worse than ever) and five new players last season. All of which heavily contibuted to our goals conceded over last season and this one so far. You're making a simpleton mistake of only considering the single variable of goals conceded. Alot more stats involved than that for accurate representation of Ozil's liability factor.
Yes we had defensive issues before when Ozil was blowing games by not playing, week in week out. But that back line was nowhere near the dire debacle of this season, nor injury ravaged like last, for starters. You are trying to use goals conceded by totally different issues (which were there or weren't as bad) over the last one and a bit seasons. As a smokescreen for Ozil's p!ss poor performances for 3 years in a stronger team that had better players. We might have had defensive issues for his 5 years sure. But they were nowhere near as dire when Ozil was a regular starter. As they are now that he isnt. Nor does this team have the familiarity of the side Ozil was in the first 3 years.
Got a better question for you than “Is it his job to track back?” Is it his job to do as his manager fecking well tells him to and bust a gut playing for a team paying him more than a quarter mil a week to do so??? My question is better and it is the one you should be asking. Instead of trying to make the bogus case that it's not a footballer's job to do as the team manager says or work hard for his quarter mil a week
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
Messi works very hard for Barcelona both defensively & offensively, don't think anyone can really question Ronaldo's work rate to Ozil's, just look at what he has achieved in life and as a player by adding sheer hard work to natural ability.
It's actually comical to mention Ozil's name in the same sentence as Messi or Ronaldo, if he was even 1/10th as good as either of them none of us would give a chit whether he worked hard defensively or not.
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This too.
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 11 hours, 55 minutes ago
Quite how Emery spent 72 million on a wide player when that money could have brought in 2 decent central players to solidify the spine of your team, I'll never know.
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Emery doesn't sign the players. We were absolutely desperate for wingers though, we didn't have any before Pepe so it was the right place to invest. Whether Pepe is the right man is another question.
We have numbers in CM, we actually have some quality but the manager is destroying any chance of success with very poor tactics
People need to relax on the Pepe situation and same with Tierney, both have shown a lot of quality at times already although they have lacked consistency I think that's more down to Emery since the whole team have lacked consistency.
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
People need to relax on the Pepe situation and same with Tierney, both have shown a lot of quality at times already although they have lacked consistency I think that's more down to Emery since the whole team have lacked consistency.
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Yes completely agree.
Some players have been awful regardless of the situation and time (Xhaka, Mustafi etc) but others are being judge based on a few games during the full disaster that is Emery's management
Everyone deserves a clean slate under a better manager, even the two mentioned above unless sold beforehand (they are awful but could be squad players until replacements are secured)
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posted on 8/11/19
When Auba dries up, we need goals from elsewhere and they aren't coming from Pepe.
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Well, Lacazette is our striker so maybe him? Pepe has outscored Laca anyway.
posted on 8/11/19
Özil - An absentee, even when he plays. The occasional good game isn't enough to convince me that he deserves to be our biggest earner and he still doesn't track back, tough out duels or refrain from looking like a sulky teenager when things aren't going his way.
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This tracking back thing really makes me mad. Is it his job to track back? Does Messi tracks back? Ronaldo? Ozil is attacking player, his job is to give service to attackers and he is best by far in our team in that. 2 midfielders behind him should protect us, not Ozil.
posted on 8/11/19
We concede same amount of goals when Ozil is playing and not tracking back as we are when someone else plays his role and is tracking back.
posted on 8/11/19
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 1 minute ago
Özil - An absentee, even when he plays. The occasional good game isn't enough to convince me that he deserves to be our biggest earner and he still doesn't track back, tough out duels or refrain from looking like a sulky teenager when things aren't going his way.
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This tracking back thing really makes me mad. Is it his job to track back? Does Messi tracks back? Ronaldo? Ozil is attacking player, his job is to give service to attackers and he is best by far in our team in that. 2 midfielders behind him should protect us, not Ozil.
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Playing in a side this defensively weak. In the PL? YES IT BLOODY WELL IS HIS JOB, to track back! Same as everybody else. Messi and Ronaldo play/ed in sides far far stronger behind them than Ozil does. In a league far far weaker, less challenging and critically, less combative league than the PL. Sides which both had the luxury of saying “You don't need to do any of that Mesut.” Arsenal FC doesn't have that luxury.
Harsh on Ron there too. I can't stand him but give him his due, I've seen him chase back to get the ball plenty. When he wants and can get it, he's a proper scrapper. It's only when he's got and is trying to keep it, that he becomes a wilting flower toppled by so much as a breeze.
posted on 8/11/19
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 17 minutes ago
We concede same amount of goals when Ozil is playing and not tracking back as we are when someone else plays his role and is tracking back.
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No, we really don't.
posted on 8/11/19
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 44 minutes ago
Özil - An absentee, even when he plays. The occasional good game isn't enough to convince me that he deserves to be our biggest earner and he still doesn't track back, tough out duels or refrain from looking like a sulky teenager when things aren't going his way.
----------------------------------
This tracking back thing really makes me mad. Is it his job to track back? Does Messi tracks back? Ronaldo? Ozil is attacking player, his job is to give service to attackers and he is best by far in our team in that. 2 midfielders behind him should protect us, not Ozil.
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Does ozil score near enough every game and get an assist to go with it? Comparing ozil to messi and ronaldo who play as strikers is ridiculous. Even hazard, a vastly superior player to ozil tracked back and played to the system defensively.
posted on 8/11/19
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 17 minutes ago
We concede same amount of goals when Ozil is playing and not tracking back as we are when someone else plays his role and is tracking back.
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No, we really don't.
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Oh really? Show me the stats that prove this.
posted on 8/11/19
Messi works very hard for Barcelona both defensively & offensively, don't think anyone can really question Ronaldo's work rate to Ozil's, just look at what he has achieved in life and as a player by adding sheer hard work to natural ability.
It's actually comical to mention Ozil's name in the same sentence as Messi or Ronaldo, if he was even 1/10th as good as either of them none of us would give a chit whether he worked hard defensively or not.
posted on 8/11/19
*compared to Ozil's
posted on 8/11/19
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 3 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 17 minutes ago
We concede same amount of goals when Ozil is playing and not tracking back as we are when someone else plays his role and is tracking back.
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No, we really don't.
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Oh really? Show me the stats that prove this.
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Stats are right where you looked when you went and checked the season goal tallies for the last couple of years. Your problem is you failed to take into account the back line chaos (worse than ever) and five new players last season. All of which heavily contibuted to our goals conceded over last season and this one so far. You're making a simpleton mistake of only considering the single variable of goals conceded. Alot more stats involved than that for accurate representation of Ozil's liability factor.
Yes we had defensive issues before when Ozil was blowing games by not playing, week in week out. But that back line was nowhere near the dire debacle of this season, nor injury ravaged like last, for starters. You are trying to use goals conceded by totally different issues (which were there or weren't as bad) over the last one and a bit seasons. As a smokescreen for Ozil's p!ss poor performances for 3 years in a stronger team that had better players. We might have had defensive issues for his 5 years sure. But they were nowhere near as dire when Ozil was a regular starter. As they are now that he isnt. Nor does this team have the familiarity of the side Ozil was in the first 3 years.
Got a better question for you than “Is it his job to track back?” Is it his job to do as his manager fecking well tells him to and bust a gut playing for a team paying him more than a quarter mil a week to do so??? My question is better and it is the one you should be asking. Instead of trying to make the bogus case that it's not a footballer's job to do as the team manager says or work hard for his quarter mil a week
posted on 8/11/19
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
Messi works very hard for Barcelona both defensively & offensively, don't think anyone can really question Ronaldo's work rate to Ozil's, just look at what he has achieved in life and as a player by adding sheer hard work to natural ability.
It's actually comical to mention Ozil's name in the same sentence as Messi or Ronaldo, if he was even 1/10th as good as either of them none of us would give a chit whether he worked hard defensively or not.
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This too.
posted on 9/11/19
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 11 hours, 55 minutes ago
Quite how Emery spent 72 million on a wide player when that money could have brought in 2 decent central players to solidify the spine of your team, I'll never know.
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Emery doesn't sign the players. We were absolutely desperate for wingers though, we didn't have any before Pepe so it was the right place to invest. Whether Pepe is the right man is another question.
We have numbers in CM, we actually have some quality but the manager is destroying any chance of success with very poor tactics
posted on 9/11/19
People need to relax on the Pepe situation and same with Tierney, both have shown a lot of quality at times already although they have lacked consistency I think that's more down to Emery since the whole team have lacked consistency.
posted on 9/11/19
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
People need to relax on the Pepe situation and same with Tierney, both have shown a lot of quality at times already although they have lacked consistency I think that's more down to Emery since the whole team have lacked consistency.
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Yes completely agree.
Some players have been awful regardless of the situation and time (Xhaka, Mustafi etc) but others are being judge based on a few games during the full disaster that is Emery's management
Everyone deserves a clean slate under a better manager, even the two mentioned above unless sold beforehand (they are awful but could be squad players until replacements are secured)
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