I think we will never ever see better player than Messi. World has never seen more complete player. Pure talent.
No, that is not what I am saying.
I am saying what I said. If they move to either Barca or Real Madrid, they may get close to the stats those two hit.
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The only reasonable thing to infer from your comments is that La Liga is comparatively easy or that the distance between the Big 2 in La Liga is so much that it inflates the stats of their players. Both of which are nonsense opinions.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
Mbappe is the most realistic possibility right now. Forget those ones aged 27...I mean Mane, really?
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Whilst the comparisons to Messie and Ronaldo aren't realistic, I actually think Mane could be the best player in the world right now.
He's certainly in the top 3 for me.
And yes of course, someone in Messi and Ronado's class can emerge anytime soon, but I'm yet to see such a player. They are once-in-a-generation talents that happened to play in the same era and made everyone else look comparatively mediocre.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
Mbappe is the most realistic possibility right now. Forget those ones aged 27...I mean Mane, really?
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Whilst the comparisons to Messie and Ronaldo aren't realistic, I actually think Mane could be the best player in the world right now.
He's certainly in the top 3 for me.
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This is literally another reason for my article.I dont think Mane is better than Messi. Put Messi in the current Liverpool and he outscores Mane by far.
Im not sure about Ronaldo as I havent watched him and his numbers dont look great.
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Emery OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
No, that is not what I am saying.
I am saying what I said. If they move to either Barca or Real Madrid, they may get close to the stats those two hit.
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The only reasonable thing to infer from your comments is that La Liga is comparatively easy or that the distance between the Big 2 in La Liga is so much that it inflates the stats of their players. Both of which are nonsense opinions.
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It might not be accurate now, but it's not so far-fetched to say that for at least part of Messi and Ronaldo's time there. But then the counter-argument is that the above 2 players were a good part of the reason for Barca and Real being so dominant.
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Emery OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
No, that is not what I am saying.
I am saying what I said. If they move to either Barca or Real Madrid, they may get close to the stats those two hit.
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The only reasonable thing to infer from your comments is that La Liga is comparatively easy or that the distance between the Big 2 in La Liga is so much that it inflates the stats of their players. Both of which are nonsense opinions.
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Over to TOOR.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
But he is getting that level of consistency nearly as he's scoring a goal a game. You asked why he's in the conversation and that's why. I've not checked but goals this calendar year I imagine he's right up there. He'll certainly be above Ronaldo.
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For one year though. Messi and Ronaldo have done it for at least a decade and started doing it in their early 20's.
There's a lot more to it than that though. Messi is just on another level in terms of his skill and what he brings a team creatively. Ronaldo is seen to be on a par with him almost purely because of his stats and his breaking of records, in club and international football. Mane is not going to do that is he? Hence we shouldn't even bother mentioning him.
Everyone else seems fine with it. Tbh Im not sure youve read the op properly.
I have, and he's only included because he's been playing great at the moment but that's all he is, just a player in hot form. He's not going to stand out above others in the way Ronaldo and Messi have done and become an all time great.
Have you asked for the title of the OP to be changed?
comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Emery OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
No, that is not what I am saying.
I am saying what I said. If they move to either Barca or Real Madrid, they may get close to the stats those two hit.
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The only reasonable thing to infer from your comments is that La Liga is comparatively easy or that the distance between the Big 2 in La Liga is so much that it inflates the stats of their players. Both of which are nonsense opinions.
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It might not be accurate now, but it's not so far-fetched to say that for at least part of Messi and Ronaldo's time there. But then the counter-argument is that the above 2 players were a good part of the reason for Barca and Real being so dominant.
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Your last sentence is my point though. La Liga has always been a quality league with good depth, but Messi and Ronaldo's superhuman feats elevated Barca and Madrid a class above. Even Pep's Barca at the peak of Xavi and Iniesta and most of the Spain national team starting 11 would never have been able to dominate without Messi, and Real Madrid would have had zero chance of competing at Barca's level without buying Ronaldo to elevate an array of world class stars to the next level. I still find it hilarious Modric won the Ballon D'Or last year. No Real Madrid player was ever anywhere near Ronaldo's class and influence.
Look I have included Mane because quite a few people keep repeating the "He is the best player in europe right now" which is fair enough if you look at a 10 game sample or take it back to some parts of last season, but my problem with that is I have seen the same comments made for Sterling, and seen the same made for Salah 2 seasons ago, and NONE of them seem to have the ability to maintain the consistency of Messi and Ronaldo.
Someone hit it right when they said the consistency is the issue here for most of these players.
I watched Messi at the weekend, and watched Mane, Sterling and Salah who were also good yesterday but hand on heart I cant bring myself to think that either of those 3 players are better than a Messi RIGHT now, never mind 6 years ago.
Thats where my problem is with the standard at which these players are being judged at. I almost feel the bar has been lowered to give them a chance.
The laliga point is true to an extent only because Barca and Real for so long were not only far superior in Laliga but would have smashed all english teams aswell hence Messi and Ronaldo have inflated goal tallys but it still doesnt take away from the fact that with your own eyes, without going to stats Messi and Ronaldo are far superior players.
Its actually an unreal situation when you think about the gap and drop of.
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Emery OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Emery OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
No, that is not what I am saying.
I am saying what I said. If they move to either Barca or Real Madrid, they may get close to the stats those two hit.
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The only reasonable thing to infer from your comments is that La Liga is comparatively easy or that the distance between the Big 2 in La Liga is so much that it inflates the stats of their players. Both of which are nonsense opinions.
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It might not be accurate now, but it's not so far-fetched to say that for at least part of Messi and Ronaldo's time there. But then the counter-argument is that the above 2 players were a good part of the reason for Barca and Real being so dominant.
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Your last sentence is my point though. La Liga has always been a quality league with good depth, but Messi and Ronaldo's superhuman feats elevated Barca and Madrid a class above. Even Pep's Barca at the peak of Xavi and Iniesta and most of the Spain national team starting 11 would never have been able to dominate without Messi, and Real Madrid would have had zero chance of competing at Barca's level without buying Ronaldo to elevate an array of world class stars to the next level. I still find it hilarious Modric won the Ballon D'Or last year. No Real Madrid player was ever anywhere near Ronaldo's class and influence.
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The Modric nonsense is what has reduced the FIFA player of the year thing into a farce because standards are being deliberately lowered in order to exclude Messi and Ronaldo. Last year the voting and the bias was deliberate to edge out Ronaldo. This season Messi somehow nicked it but there was an agenda again where some people were arguing that Sterling and mane were better than Messi and then they bring up these stupid variables.
I have no problem with van Dijk, he has done well and is such a classy player and a classy guy, but will he win it again next year, who knows? I dont like these anything but Messi and Ronaldo votes.
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 5 hours, 40 minutes ago
I wish we would stop the Messi/Ronaldo/Rooney debate and just appreciate all of them as the best of our generation
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Hello the Barry
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 hours, 31 minutes ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
No, Toor.
The articles asks if we're going to get an heir to Messi and Ronaldo soon.
You simply reply: "Depends if any of them move to Spain where they can bang on 50 goals a season against the poor defences."
So you're clearly linking this perception that it's easy to score goals in Spain with the reason for Ronaldo and Messi being regarded as they are.
But as I said, if the guy above is correct then your whole point is wrong, isn't it?
Upon reading the article again I see my mistake. Rushed through it earlier as had meetings all day. I was referring to the stats mentioned, not their actual ability. I don't think any of the players mentioned can reach their ability but could reach close to their stats of they moved to Madrid or Barca.
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
Right, that makes a bit more sense.
Now, if the guy's stats are correct, doesn't that prove your theory wrong?
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
Right, that makes a bit more sense.
Now, if the guy's stats are correct, doesn't that prove your theory wrong?
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What guy's?
comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 6 hours, 40 minutes ago
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posted 6 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 58 seconds ago
Depends if any of them move to Spain where they can bang on 50 goals a season against the poor defences.
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You seen the premier league TOOR?
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Yes.
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Saints 0 Leicester 9.
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Why are you replying to me with a scoreline of a match?
If you want to say something say it, if it's what I think you're trying to say, it doesn't say that. Which is probably why you didn't say it.
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La Liga has less goals per game than the PL. Their defences are arguably better (it's very close).
Which sort of rules out your argument.
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This one, TOOR.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 6 hours, 40 minutes ago
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 58 seconds ago
Depends if any of them move to Spain where they can bang on 50 goals a season against the poor defences.
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You seen the premier league TOOR?
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Yes.
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Saints 0 Leicester 9.
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Why are you replying to me with a scoreline of a match?
If you want to say something say it, if it's what I think you're trying to say, it doesn't say that. Which is probably why you didn't say it.
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La Liga has less goals per game than the PL. Their defences are arguably better (it's very close).
Which sort of rules out your argument.
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This one, TOOR.
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Tell me Winston, do you think that rules out my argument?
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
If it's correct then yes, I think it seriously calls into question your claim, yes.
There are various factors but I'd certainly put it to you and ask just what your view that the defences are so poor is based on.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 51 seconds ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
If it's correct then yes, I think it seriously calls into question your claim, yes.
There are various factors but I'd certainly put it to you and ask just what your view that the defences are so poor is based on.
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Oh OK.
I don't. I think goals scored does not prove that defences overall are worse in La Liga.
What it proves for me is there are more top level teams in the PL, with better attacks.
I may be wrong but from watching La Liga, I can clearly see the defenders aren't as good and they allow attackers time on the ball.
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
So there's absolutely no evidence for your claim apart from what you've seen from some coverage of Sky Sports.
Gotcha.
Now, let's look at that claim.
Prior to the Messi / Ronaldo dominant period, there was one season from 13 that had a top goalscorer with over 30 goals.
Since that first Messi top goalscorer season, it's happened 10 out of 10 seasons.
Did the defences suddenly get worse in the same year that Messi just happened to start scoring goals?
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posted on 11/11/19
I think we will never ever see better player than Messi. World has never seen more complete player. Pure talent.
posted on 11/11/19
No, that is not what I am saying.
I am saying what I said. If they move to either Barca or Real Madrid, they may get close to the stats those two hit.
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The only reasonable thing to infer from your comments is that La Liga is comparatively easy or that the distance between the Big 2 in La Liga is so much that it inflates the stats of their players. Both of which are nonsense opinions.
posted on 11/11/19
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
Mbappe is the most realistic possibility right now. Forget those ones aged 27...I mean Mane, really?
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Whilst the comparisons to Messie and Ronaldo aren't realistic, I actually think Mane could be the best player in the world right now.
He's certainly in the top 3 for me.
posted on 11/11/19
And yes of course, someone in Messi and Ronado's class can emerge anytime soon, but I'm yet to see such a player. They are once-in-a-generation talents that happened to play in the same era and made everyone else look comparatively mediocre.
posted on 11/11/19
*Messi
posted on 11/11/19
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
Mbappe is the most realistic possibility right now. Forget those ones aged 27...I mean Mane, really?
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Whilst the comparisons to Messie and Ronaldo aren't realistic, I actually think Mane could be the best player in the world right now.
He's certainly in the top 3 for me.
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This is literally another reason for my article.I dont think Mane is better than Messi. Put Messi in the current Liverpool and he outscores Mane by far.
Im not sure about Ronaldo as I havent watched him and his numbers dont look great.
posted on 11/11/19
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Emery OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
No, that is not what I am saying.
I am saying what I said. If they move to either Barca or Real Madrid, they may get close to the stats those two hit.
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The only reasonable thing to infer from your comments is that La Liga is comparatively easy or that the distance between the Big 2 in La Liga is so much that it inflates the stats of their players. Both of which are nonsense opinions.
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It might not be accurate now, but it's not so far-fetched to say that for at least part of Messi and Ronaldo's time there. But then the counter-argument is that the above 2 players were a good part of the reason for Barca and Real being so dominant.
posted on 11/11/19
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Emery OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
No, that is not what I am saying.
I am saying what I said. If they move to either Barca or Real Madrid, they may get close to the stats those two hit.
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The only reasonable thing to infer from your comments is that La Liga is comparatively easy or that the distance between the Big 2 in La Liga is so much that it inflates the stats of their players. Both of which are nonsense opinions.
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Over to TOOR.
posted on 11/11/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
But he is getting that level of consistency nearly as he's scoring a goal a game. You asked why he's in the conversation and that's why. I've not checked but goals this calendar year I imagine he's right up there. He'll certainly be above Ronaldo.
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For one year though. Messi and Ronaldo have done it for at least a decade and started doing it in their early 20's.
There's a lot more to it than that though. Messi is just on another level in terms of his skill and what he brings a team creatively. Ronaldo is seen to be on a par with him almost purely because of his stats and his breaking of records, in club and international football. Mane is not going to do that is he? Hence we shouldn't even bother mentioning him.
posted on 11/11/19
Everyone else seems fine with it. Tbh Im not sure youve read the op properly.
posted on 11/11/19
I have, and he's only included because he's been playing great at the moment but that's all he is, just a player in hot form. He's not going to stand out above others in the way Ronaldo and Messi have done and become an all time great.
posted on 11/11/19
Have you asked for the title of the OP to be changed?
posted on 11/11/19
comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Emery OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
No, that is not what I am saying.
I am saying what I said. If they move to either Barca or Real Madrid, they may get close to the stats those two hit.
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The only reasonable thing to infer from your comments is that La Liga is comparatively easy or that the distance between the Big 2 in La Liga is so much that it inflates the stats of their players. Both of which are nonsense opinions.
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It might not be accurate now, but it's not so far-fetched to say that for at least part of Messi and Ronaldo's time there. But then the counter-argument is that the above 2 players were a good part of the reason for Barca and Real being so dominant.
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Your last sentence is my point though. La Liga has always been a quality league with good depth, but Messi and Ronaldo's superhuman feats elevated Barca and Madrid a class above. Even Pep's Barca at the peak of Xavi and Iniesta and most of the Spain national team starting 11 would never have been able to dominate without Messi, and Real Madrid would have had zero chance of competing at Barca's level without buying Ronaldo to elevate an array of world class stars to the next level. I still find it hilarious Modric won the Ballon D'Or last year. No Real Madrid player was ever anywhere near Ronaldo's class and influence.
posted on 11/11/19
Look I have included Mane because quite a few people keep repeating the "He is the best player in europe right now" which is fair enough if you look at a 10 game sample or take it back to some parts of last season, but my problem with that is I have seen the same comments made for Sterling, and seen the same made for Salah 2 seasons ago, and NONE of them seem to have the ability to maintain the consistency of Messi and Ronaldo.
Someone hit it right when they said the consistency is the issue here for most of these players.
I watched Messi at the weekend, and watched Mane, Sterling and Salah who were also good yesterday but hand on heart I cant bring myself to think that either of those 3 players are better than a Messi RIGHT now, never mind 6 years ago.
Thats where my problem is with the standard at which these players are being judged at. I almost feel the bar has been lowered to give them a chance.
The laliga point is true to an extent only because Barca and Real for so long were not only far superior in Laliga but would have smashed all english teams aswell hence Messi and Ronaldo have inflated goal tallys but it still doesnt take away from the fact that with your own eyes, without going to stats Messi and Ronaldo are far superior players.
Its actually an unreal situation when you think about the gap and drop of.
posted on 11/11/19
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Emery OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Emery OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
No, that is not what I am saying.
I am saying what I said. If they move to either Barca or Real Madrid, they may get close to the stats those two hit.
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The only reasonable thing to infer from your comments is that La Liga is comparatively easy or that the distance between the Big 2 in La Liga is so much that it inflates the stats of their players. Both of which are nonsense opinions.
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It might not be accurate now, but it's not so far-fetched to say that for at least part of Messi and Ronaldo's time there. But then the counter-argument is that the above 2 players were a good part of the reason for Barca and Real being so dominant.
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Your last sentence is my point though. La Liga has always been a quality league with good depth, but Messi and Ronaldo's superhuman feats elevated Barca and Madrid a class above. Even Pep's Barca at the peak of Xavi and Iniesta and most of the Spain national team starting 11 would never have been able to dominate without Messi, and Real Madrid would have had zero chance of competing at Barca's level without buying Ronaldo to elevate an array of world class stars to the next level. I still find it hilarious Modric won the Ballon D'Or last year. No Real Madrid player was ever anywhere near Ronaldo's class and influence.
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The Modric nonsense is what has reduced the FIFA player of the year thing into a farce because standards are being deliberately lowered in order to exclude Messi and Ronaldo. Last year the voting and the bias was deliberate to edge out Ronaldo. This season Messi somehow nicked it but there was an agenda again where some people were arguing that Sterling and mane were better than Messi and then they bring up these stupid variables.
I have no problem with van Dijk, he has done well and is such a classy player and a classy guy, but will he win it again next year, who knows? I dont like these anything but Messi and Ronaldo votes.
posted on 11/11/19
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 5 hours, 40 minutes ago
I wish we would stop the Messi/Ronaldo/Rooney debate and just appreciate all of them as the best of our generation
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Hello the Barry
posted on 11/11/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 hours, 31 minutes ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
No, Toor.
The articles asks if we're going to get an heir to Messi and Ronaldo soon.
You simply reply: "Depends if any of them move to Spain where they can bang on 50 goals a season against the poor defences."
So you're clearly linking this perception that it's easy to score goals in Spain with the reason for Ronaldo and Messi being regarded as they are.
But as I said, if the guy above is correct then your whole point is wrong, isn't it?
Upon reading the article again I see my mistake. Rushed through it earlier as had meetings all day. I was referring to the stats mentioned, not their actual ability. I don't think any of the players mentioned can reach their ability but could reach close to their stats of they moved to Madrid or Barca.
posted on 11/11/19
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
Right, that makes a bit more sense.
Now, if the guy's stats are correct, doesn't that prove your theory wrong?
posted on 11/11/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
Right, that makes a bit more sense.
Now, if the guy's stats are correct, doesn't that prove your theory wrong?
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What guy's?
posted on 11/11/19
comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 6 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 58 seconds ago
Depends if any of them move to Spain where they can bang on 50 goals a season against the poor defences.
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You seen the premier league TOOR?
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Yes.
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Saints 0 Leicester 9.
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Why are you replying to me with a scoreline of a match?
If you want to say something say it, if it's what I think you're trying to say, it doesn't say that. Which is probably why you didn't say it.
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La Liga has less goals per game than the PL. Their defences are arguably better (it's very close).
Which sort of rules out your argument.
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This one, TOOR.
posted on 11/11/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 6 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 58 seconds ago
Depends if any of them move to Spain where they can bang on 50 goals a season against the poor defences.
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You seen the premier league TOOR?
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Yes.
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Saints 0 Leicester 9.
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Why are you replying to me with a scoreline of a match?
If you want to say something say it, if it's what I think you're trying to say, it doesn't say that. Which is probably why you didn't say it.
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La Liga has less goals per game than the PL. Their defences are arguably better (it's very close).
Which sort of rules out your argument.
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This one, TOOR.
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Tell me Winston, do you think that rules out my argument?
posted on 11/11/19
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
If it's correct then yes, I think it seriously calls into question your claim, yes.
There are various factors but I'd certainly put it to you and ask just what your view that the defences are so poor is based on.
posted on 11/11/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 51 seconds ago
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
If it's correct then yes, I think it seriously calls into question your claim, yes.
There are various factors but I'd certainly put it to you and ask just what your view that the defences are so poor is based on.
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Oh OK.
I don't. I think goals scored does not prove that defences overall are worse in La Liga.
What it proves for me is there are more top level teams in the PL, with better attacks.
I may be wrong but from watching La Liga, I can clearly see the defenders aren't as good and they allow attackers time on the ball.
posted on 11/11/19
There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
So there's absolutely no evidence for your claim apart from what you've seen from some coverage of Sky Sports.
Gotcha.
posted on 11/11/19
Now, let's look at that claim.
Prior to the Messi / Ronaldo dominant period, there was one season from 13 that had a top goalscorer with over 30 goals.
Since that first Messi top goalscorer season, it's happened 10 out of 10 seasons.
Did the defences suddenly get worse in the same year that Messi just happened to start scoring goals?
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