Seems little point in sacking Emery now the top 4 is gone. May as well go for EL now and he has won that.
Vieria would say that as he is a manager now.
My main concern is the next manager and the next. If we don’t address this entitlement mentality and focus more on fixing the issues, more managers will be casualties. The players also have to shoulder the blame and work hard on the pitch to turn things around. Scapegoating Unai is only a temporary diversion.
A new manager would soon face the boo boys and the Twitter outrage when he has a poor period. That’s the reality of our fan base now.
Entitled and precious. And to be fair that’s at other clubs too. People want success and great football and they want it now with a talisman CF and a hero MF player. Even then A few bad games and it’s hashtags...
Football is basically a peeing competition.
It's like you guys don't watch Arsenal?
There's nothing entitled about not wanting to stick with a manager who gets the basics wrong and has no idea of his best side after well over a year at the club
I watch them. I am a ST holder.
Emery should be replaced.
My point is a new manager would soon be in the same situation if he did not bring back flowing football and results immediately.
So with top 4 gone we now have a manager that has a good record in the EL, which is our only real chance of CL football next season. That’s why he is being kept on.
In my opinion.
Paddy sounds like a man desperate for the Arsenal job. As much as I loved him as a player he hasn't done anything in his management career so far to justify us considering him. Vieira is doing poorly so is projecting his own career.
comment by Lucas NorthBank (U11643)
posted 4 minutes ago
I watch them. I am a ST holder.
Emery should be replaced.
My point is a new manager would soon be in the same situation if he did not bring back flowing football and results immediately.
So with top 4 gone we now have a manager that has a good record in the EL, which is our only real chance of CL football next season. That’s why he is being kept on.
In my opinion.
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I respectfully beg to differ. I think the fans were VERY patient with Unai. I was pretty upset at the run of games at the end of last season, but I had promised myself to give him a year. The problems were there though. Our away form was still rubbish and there was still a lack of defensive nous. At three beginning of the season, we looked good going forward. But now I wonder if that was just a remnant of Wenger's coaching. Because that got worse as the season went on. And now...this is Emery's team and we look horrible. Time to get rid of him. The fans I think just want to see progress. Majority know we are not entitled to win anything...but we want to at least compete. And regardless of what people say, our squad is maybe 3 players away from being able to compete deep into any competition we want. As for the style of play, we all just want an identity.
Also, people look at AFTV and call it toxic. Meh...even they are only NOW turning on Emery. So I think fans overall would give a new manager time. But after a year, they will be judged based on performances.
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comment by Lucas NorthBank (U11643)
posted 4 minutes ago
I watch them. I am a ST holder.
Emery should be replaced.
My point is a new manager would soon be in the same situation if he did not bring back flowing football and results immediately.
So with top 4 gone we now have a manager that has a good record in the EL, which is our only real chance of CL football next season. That’s why he is being kept on.
In my opinion.
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I respectfully beg to differ. I think the fans were VERY patient with Unai. I was pretty upset at the run of games at the end of last season, but I had promised myself to give him a year. The problems were there though. Our away form was still rubbish and there was still a lack of defensive nous. At three beginning of the season, we looked good going forward. But now I wonder if that was just a remnant of Wenger's coaching. Because that got worse as the season went on. And now...this is Emery's team and we look horrible. Time to get rid of him. The fans I think just want to see progress. Majority know we are not entitled to win anything...but we want to at least compete. And regardless of what people say, our squad is maybe 3 players away from being able to compete deep into any competition we want. As for the style of play, we all just want an identity.
Also, people look at AFTV and call it toxic. Meh...even they are only NOW turning on Emery. So I think fans overall would give a new manager time. But after a year, they will be judged based on performances.
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Good comments
I also just want to see signs of a positive direction, decisions that make sense, a manager that can learn.
They don't need to have the team playing free-flowing football and getting results straight away, I genuinely believe most Arsenal fans would be the same
Since when was Top 4 gone?
That is utterly ridiculous. Same as saying a team that's ten 8 or 9 points clear at the top, come christmas, has it won. Jeez two or three games could see a totally different picture. It's still too early to be claiming the top 4 is lost and impossible for Emery to achieve. Any football fan should know better than to think it's anywhere near all over this early in the season.
The Leicester game, contrary to what people seem to think. Does actually suggest that Emery could be turning things around. We were never going to win that game. Because Leicester and Vardy are hot right now. Form said we should have gotten utterly humiliated. But oh no, we just played well overall (plenty room for improvement) and got beaten by the better team on the day. Actually best PL performance since Pool game IMO. If Emery was truly as clueless as his haters making out then we'd have been the first team to concede 10 in the PL. I see much egg on many faces by xmas.
As for the entitlement thing. SPOT ON! Screaming to sack the manager 12 games into the season because you're in the oh so lowly SIXTH PLACE How DARE the man allow your precious team to fall to 6th with only 26 games to go. He MUST be sacked before he has the sheer AUDACITY to dare to see 7th. WENGER BRATS!! The lot of ya. Spent so long at and near the top that you think it's some god given right to never ever not be there. Even when you see hard times and toubles. As though AFC is above the same troubles that hit every other football club. I just hope if they sack Emery, Freddie doesn't take/get the job. Because I'd hate to see you lot bratfest him out of the club too, at the first real poor form run hurdle. Would be great to see him managing Arsenal but sad truth is a large section of the fanbase is making/has made the Arsenal job a poison chalice for some time to come.
WB2
You should have a read of the Arseblog article today about the chances of top 4. Seems highly unlikely we will get in.
So if blog says it, it must be true?
9 points off top 4 with a third of the season gone, awful football, no creativity, awful defence, no signs of improvement. But yeah top 4 is still possible, may as well say we can still win the league too because it's mathematically possible.
Top four is definitely possible, it's incredibly unlikely with Emery in charge though.
Sack him, give someone else a go and the chances are much better
"‘It’s true Arsenal are going through a tough spell,’ the former Arsenal captain said. ‘But I haven’t watched all their matches, so I can’t talk about their game."
What a stupid statement, maybe if you did watch their games Vieira you would know why Emery has to go ASAP
Jenius. Blogs never said it. Read it maybe.
comment by Lucas NorthBank (U11643)
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Jenius. Blogs never said it. Read it maybe.
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My point is that 8 or 9 points is not much of a gap to jump. Obviously Emery doesn't look like the man to bridge that but a new face could do it. Leicester and Chelsea don't look like complete teams.
Point is we won’t have a new face. Emery is charged with bridging that gap and given we need something like 18 or 19 wins from 26 to get around the 71 ish mark and we have 2 in 12 it looks over for the top 4.
I assume the club now realise that and will keep UE for his EL pedigree. He has more chance of winning that than say Freddie
They wouldn't be issuing statements if Emery wasn't under pressure. Its an acknowledgement. Replacing him however is a far tougher topic as I have been point out for the last few days.
It would be remiss of the club not to acknowledge the situation and of course the coach is under pressure. But he will be here until at least Christmas and probably beyond. Why give a new manager a hopeless task now.
Wait til June and get the person they want. Assuming they know who they want.
comment by Lucas NorthBank (U11643)
posted 5 minutes ago
Point is we won’t have a new face. Emery is charged with bridging that gap and given we need something like 18 or 19 wins from 26 to get around the 71 ish mark and we have 2 in 12 it looks over for the top 4.
I assume the club now realise that and will keep UE for his EL pedigree. He has more chance of winning that than say Freddie
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The squad is good enough to get top four
Banking on a cup win is incredibly risky
comment by Lucas NorthBank (U11643)
posted 40 seconds ago
It would be remiss of the club not to acknowledge the situation and of course the coach is under pressure. But he will be here until at least Christmas and probably beyond. Why give a new manager a hopeless task now.
Wait til June and get the person they want. Assuming they know who they want.
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Are you sure? They ignored how poor it was over the last few years under Wenger. They even gave him £100m to blow on Xhaka, Mustafi and Kolsaniac to fix it.
No. I’m not sure. Just an opinion of the situation as I see it.
Scruttocks; it is good enough I agree, it won’t happen though. The EL cup is our only route to CL football.
I just think we have to remember that Sanllehi and Vinai have to protect their new structure as well. Things aren't going well and so it should be much easier to change managers in the new structure. Gazidis appointed Emery and Edu wasn't even involved in the decision. I think it makes sense for the new regime to make the change sooner than later. The problem however, which everyone here seem to be ignoring, is that someone has to want the job before the transfer window is even open!
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posted on 13/11/19
Seems little point in sacking Emery now the top 4 is gone. May as well go for EL now and he has won that.
Vieria would say that as he is a manager now.
posted on 13/11/19
My main concern is the next manager and the next. If we don’t address this entitlement mentality and focus more on fixing the issues, more managers will be casualties. The players also have to shoulder the blame and work hard on the pitch to turn things around. Scapegoating Unai is only a temporary diversion.
posted on 13/11/19
A new manager would soon face the boo boys and the Twitter outrage when he has a poor period. That’s the reality of our fan base now.
Entitled and precious. And to be fair that’s at other clubs too. People want success and great football and they want it now with a talisman CF and a hero MF player. Even then A few bad games and it’s hashtags...
posted on 13/11/19
Football is basically a peeing competition.
posted on 13/11/19
It's like you guys don't watch Arsenal?
There's nothing entitled about not wanting to stick with a manager who gets the basics wrong and has no idea of his best side after well over a year at the club
posted on 13/11/19
I watch them. I am a ST holder.
Emery should be replaced.
My point is a new manager would soon be in the same situation if he did not bring back flowing football and results immediately.
So with top 4 gone we now have a manager that has a good record in the EL, which is our only real chance of CL football next season. That’s why he is being kept on.
In my opinion.
posted on 13/11/19
Paddy sounds like a man desperate for the Arsenal job. As much as I loved him as a player he hasn't done anything in his management career so far to justify us considering him. Vieira is doing poorly so is projecting his own career.
posted on 13/11/19
*fear
posted on 13/11/19
comment by Lucas NorthBank (U11643)
posted 4 minutes ago
I watch them. I am a ST holder.
Emery should be replaced.
My point is a new manager would soon be in the same situation if he did not bring back flowing football and results immediately.
So with top 4 gone we now have a manager that has a good record in the EL, which is our only real chance of CL football next season. That’s why he is being kept on.
In my opinion.
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I respectfully beg to differ. I think the fans were VERY patient with Unai. I was pretty upset at the run of games at the end of last season, but I had promised myself to give him a year. The problems were there though. Our away form was still rubbish and there was still a lack of defensive nous. At three beginning of the season, we looked good going forward. But now I wonder if that was just a remnant of Wenger's coaching. Because that got worse as the season went on. And now...this is Emery's team and we look horrible. Time to get rid of him. The fans I think just want to see progress. Majority know we are not entitled to win anything...but we want to at least compete. And regardless of what people say, our squad is maybe 3 players away from being able to compete deep into any competition we want. As for the style of play, we all just want an identity.
Also, people look at AFTV and call it toxic. Meh...even they are only NOW turning on Emery. So I think fans overall would give a new manager time. But after a year, they will be judged based on performances.
posted on 13/11/19
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Lucas NorthBank (U11643)
posted 4 minutes ago
I watch them. I am a ST holder.
Emery should be replaced.
My point is a new manager would soon be in the same situation if he did not bring back flowing football and results immediately.
So with top 4 gone we now have a manager that has a good record in the EL, which is our only real chance of CL football next season. That’s why he is being kept on.
In my opinion.
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I respectfully beg to differ. I think the fans were VERY patient with Unai. I was pretty upset at the run of games at the end of last season, but I had promised myself to give him a year. The problems were there though. Our away form was still rubbish and there was still a lack of defensive nous. At three beginning of the season, we looked good going forward. But now I wonder if that was just a remnant of Wenger's coaching. Because that got worse as the season went on. And now...this is Emery's team and we look horrible. Time to get rid of him. The fans I think just want to see progress. Majority know we are not entitled to win anything...but we want to at least compete. And regardless of what people say, our squad is maybe 3 players away from being able to compete deep into any competition we want. As for the style of play, we all just want an identity.
Also, people look at AFTV and call it toxic. Meh...even they are only NOW turning on Emery. So I think fans overall would give a new manager time. But after a year, they will be judged based on performances.
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Good comments
I also just want to see signs of a positive direction, decisions that make sense, a manager that can learn.
They don't need to have the team playing free-flowing football and getting results straight away, I genuinely believe most Arsenal fans would be the same
posted on 13/11/19
Since when was Top 4 gone?
That is utterly ridiculous. Same as saying a team that's ten 8 or 9 points clear at the top, come christmas, has it won. Jeez two or three games could see a totally different picture. It's still too early to be claiming the top 4 is lost and impossible for Emery to achieve. Any football fan should know better than to think it's anywhere near all over this early in the season.
The Leicester game, contrary to what people seem to think. Does actually suggest that Emery could be turning things around. We were never going to win that game. Because Leicester and Vardy are hot right now. Form said we should have gotten utterly humiliated. But oh no, we just played well overall (plenty room for improvement) and got beaten by the better team on the day. Actually best PL performance since Pool game IMO. If Emery was truly as clueless as his haters making out then we'd have been the first team to concede 10 in the PL. I see much egg on many faces by xmas.
As for the entitlement thing. SPOT ON! Screaming to sack the manager 12 games into the season because you're in the oh so lowly SIXTH PLACE How DARE the man allow your precious team to fall to 6th with only 26 games to go. He MUST be sacked before he has the sheer AUDACITY to dare to see 7th. WENGER BRATS!! The lot of ya. Spent so long at and near the top that you think it's some god given right to never ever not be there. Even when you see hard times and toubles. As though AFC is above the same troubles that hit every other football club. I just hope if they sack Emery, Freddie doesn't take/get the job. Because I'd hate to see you lot bratfest him out of the club too, at the first real poor form run hurdle. Would be great to see him managing Arsenal but sad truth is a large section of the fanbase is making/has made the Arsenal job a poison chalice for some time to come.
posted on 13/11/19
WB2
You should have a read of the Arseblog article today about the chances of top 4. Seems highly unlikely we will get in.
posted on 13/11/19
So if blog says it, it must be true?
posted on 13/11/19
9 points off top 4 with a third of the season gone, awful football, no creativity, awful defence, no signs of improvement. But yeah top 4 is still possible, may as well say we can still win the league too because it's mathematically possible.
posted on 13/11/19
Top four is definitely possible, it's incredibly unlikely with Emery in charge though.
Sack him, give someone else a go and the chances are much better
posted on 13/11/19
"‘It’s true Arsenal are going through a tough spell,’ the former Arsenal captain said. ‘But I haven’t watched all their matches, so I can’t talk about their game."
What a stupid statement, maybe if you did watch their games Vieira you would know why Emery has to go ASAP
posted on 13/11/19
Jenius. Blogs never said it. Read it maybe.
posted on 13/11/19
comment by Lucas NorthBank (U11643)
posted 3 minutes ago
Jenius. Blogs never said it. Read it maybe.
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My point is that 8 or 9 points is not much of a gap to jump. Obviously Emery doesn't look like the man to bridge that but a new face could do it. Leicester and Chelsea don't look like complete teams.
posted on 13/11/19
Point is we won’t have a new face. Emery is charged with bridging that gap and given we need something like 18 or 19 wins from 26 to get around the 71 ish mark and we have 2 in 12 it looks over for the top 4.
I assume the club now realise that and will keep UE for his EL pedigree. He has more chance of winning that than say Freddie
posted on 13/11/19
They wouldn't be issuing statements if Emery wasn't under pressure. Its an acknowledgement. Replacing him however is a far tougher topic as I have been point out for the last few days.
posted on 13/11/19
It would be remiss of the club not to acknowledge the situation and of course the coach is under pressure. But he will be here until at least Christmas and probably beyond. Why give a new manager a hopeless task now.
Wait til June and get the person they want. Assuming they know who they want.
posted on 13/11/19
comment by Lucas NorthBank (U11643)
posted 5 minutes ago
Point is we won’t have a new face. Emery is charged with bridging that gap and given we need something like 18 or 19 wins from 26 to get around the 71 ish mark and we have 2 in 12 it looks over for the top 4.
I assume the club now realise that and will keep UE for his EL pedigree. He has more chance of winning that than say Freddie
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The squad is good enough to get top four
Banking on a cup win is incredibly risky
posted on 13/11/19
comment by Lucas NorthBank (U11643)
posted 40 seconds ago
It would be remiss of the club not to acknowledge the situation and of course the coach is under pressure. But he will be here until at least Christmas and probably beyond. Why give a new manager a hopeless task now.
Wait til June and get the person they want. Assuming they know who they want.
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Are you sure? They ignored how poor it was over the last few years under Wenger. They even gave him £100m to blow on Xhaka, Mustafi and Kolsaniac to fix it.
posted on 13/11/19
No. I’m not sure. Just an opinion of the situation as I see it.
Scruttocks; it is good enough I agree, it won’t happen though. The EL cup is our only route to CL football.
posted on 13/11/19
I just think we have to remember that Sanllehi and Vinai have to protect their new structure as well. Things aren't going well and so it should be much easier to change managers in the new structure. Gazidis appointed Emery and Edu wasn't even involved in the decision. I think it makes sense for the new regime to make the change sooner than later. The problem however, which everyone here seem to be ignoring, is that someone has to want the job before the transfer window is even open!
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