comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 18 minutes ago
Top four is definitely possible, it's incredibly unlikely with Emery in charge though.
Sack him, give someone else a go and the chances are much better
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No they're actually not. Not unless that someone else is going to be given hundreds of mil to spend in the window and buy a new team to bring with him. If we have all that money to be splashing around on players. Then it makes far more sense to give Emery a bundle to improve the team.
The hilarious thing here is that you people actually believe you have been patient A tenure like Wenger's, with the heights it reached. Ending without a legacy handover. Was ALWAYS destined to be a 3-5 year MINIMUM squad rebuild. Not ifs, no buts, no maybes about it.
P!ssed off and moaning sack the manager less than 1.5 years into a job that should take 3-5 min, IS NOT being patient with him. It's the equvalent of showing up one third of the way through a huge building rennovation and complaining to sack the contractor just because the place looks like a building site and nothing at all like the completed rennovation project.
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 18 minutes ago
Top four is definitely possible, it's incredibly unlikely with Emery in charge though.
Sack him, give someone else a go and the chances are much better
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No they're actually not. Not unless that someone else is going to be given hundreds of mil to spend in the window and buy a new team to bring with him. If we have all that money to be splashing around on players. Then it makes far more sense to give Emery a bundle to improve the team.
The hilarious thing here is that you people actually believe you have been patientA tenure like Wenger's, with the heights it reached. Ending without a legacy handover. Was ALWAYS destined to be a 3-5 year MINIMUM squad rebuild. Not ifs, no buts, no maybes about it.
P!ssed off and moaning sack the manager less than 1.5 years into a job that should take 3-5 min, IS NOT being patient with him. It's the equvalent of showing up one third of the way through a huge building rennovation and complaining to sack the contractor just because the place looks like a building site and nothing at all like the completed rennovation project.
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The fact that we have been slowly getting worse during his tenure though doesn't help your point.
Many managers have gone in a made a visible difference to their teams, in a much shorter time frame, with less money than Unai.
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 18 minutes ago
Top four is definitely possible, it's incredibly unlikely with Emery in charge though.
Sack him, give someone else a go and the chances are much better
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No they're actually not. Not unless that someone else is going to be given hundreds of mil to spend in the window and buy a new team to bring with him. If we have all that money to be splashing around on players. Then it makes far more sense to give Emery a bundle to improve the team.
The hilarious thing here is that you people actually believe you have been patientA tenure like Wenger's, with the heights it reached. Ending without a legacy handover. Was ALWAYS destined to be a 3-5 year MINIMUM squad rebuild. Not ifs, no buts, no maybes about it.
P!ssed off and moaning sack the manager less than 1.5 years into a job that should take 3-5 min, IS NOT being patient with him. It's the equvalent of showing up one third of the way through a huge building rennovation and complaining to sack the contractor just because the place looks like a building site and nothing at all like the completed rennovation project.
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Emery is not a top 4 manager, yes the team isn't the best but we are surely better than Watford, Wolves or Sheffield utd.
We made Victoria look like Barcelona at our home ground, of course a new manager can turn this team around.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
I just think we have to remember that Sanllehi and Vinai have to protect their new structure as well. Things aren't going well and so it should be much easier to change managers in the new structure. Gazidis appointed Emery and Edu wasn't even involved in the decision. I think it makes sense for the new regime to make the change sooner than later. The problem however, which everyone here seem to be ignoring, is that someone has to want the job before the transfer window is even open!
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Job is toxic until the Wenger generation of the fanbase get a grip. There's no quick fix here because the club is in a mess. Nobody is going to come in, turn it around overnight and romp us into 4th. Because Everybody you could bring in will face the same problem. Too many fans that suck and are more interested in slating thier team than they are in supporting it. Fans whom rather than cheer them on to get them going when things don't go smoothly (like other clubs fans do). Instead they sit letting away fans be heard in thier stadium. Because their too busy getting on their phones, prepping thier next “Sack the manager/This player's rubbish” post, tweet, vlog, blog or otherwise.
The toxicity of “Wenger spoilt brat entitlement,” has left the team lacking support every other team gets. And it is just as big a problem at AFC as any manager, player or otherwise. In fact I'd go one further and say it's one of the biggest, if not the biggest problem/s AFC has. Sick and tired for years now of watching Wenger brats moan the manager or a player is crap at/not doing thier job. When, since the day we moved into the Emirates, the “12th man” has never feckin once, even turned up to do his! Since he moved out of the old house into his nice fat N.London mansion. He apperently decided that cheering when you're not on top is only for peasants, who live council houses.
Until Arsenal fans start behaving like REAL football fans and supporting the goddam team whether it's winning or losing. We won't get CL football and contender status back. And quite frankly, we don't deserve to. Why should fans who do nothing but slate their team, get to see the team win anything. Wake up kids, it ain't the manager that Arsenal players are not wanting to play for. It's the sh!tty fans who will only appreciate their effort, if they win and like to troll them and their family members.
Passion
Yes we're better than all of them. But that doesn't mean we can't ever lose to them. We've been flat track bullies against the lesser teams that many seasons, people forgot we can lose to them. Beginning of this season was always going to be rough. Only thing about results that should be a surprise to anyone is how the fates kept us as high as 6th with the mess. Not the mess itself.
Wake up kids, it ain't the manager that Arsenal players are not wanting to play for. It's the sh!tty fans who will only appreciate their effort, if they win and like to troll them and their family members.
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Granted,we have some of the worst 'fans' in the PL BUT the players play for THEMSELVES first, families next, the badge, the manager, then maybe the fans, we're not that important.
Football is a entertainment business which people pay their hard earned money to watch, if your not being entertained or don't like what you see, your well within your rights to complain, like any other business.
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
I just think we have to remember that Sanllehi and Vinai have to protect their new structure as well. Things aren't going well and so it should be much easier to change managers in the new structure. Gazidis appointed Emery and Edu wasn't even involved in the decision. I think it makes sense for the new regime to make the change sooner than later. The problem however, which everyone here seem to be ignoring, is that someone has to want the job before the transfer window is even open!
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Job is toxic until the Wenger generation of the fanbase get a grip. There's no quick fix here because the club is in a mess. Nobody is going to come in, turn it around overnight and romp us into 4th. Because Everybody you could bring in will face the same problem. Too many fans that suck and are more interested in slating thier team than they are in supporting it. Fans whom rather than cheer them on to get them going when things don't go smoothly (like other clubs fans do). Instead they sit letting away fans be heard in thier stadium. Because their too busy getting on their phones, prepping thier next “Sack the manager/This player's rubbish” post, tweet, vlog, blog or otherwise.
The toxicity of “Wenger spoilt brat entitlement,” has left the team lacking support every other team gets. And it is just as big a problem at AFC as any manager, player or otherwise. In fact I'd go one further and say it's one of the biggest, if not the biggest problem/s AFC has. Sick and tired for years now of watching Wenger brats moan the manager or a player is crap at/not doing thier job. When, since the day we moved into the Emirates, the “12th man” has never feckin once, even turned up to do his! Since he moved out of the old house into his nice fat N.London mansion. He apperently decided that cheering when you're not on top is only for peasants, who live council houses.
Until Arsenal fans start behaving like REAL football fans and supporting the goddam team whether it's winning or losing. We won't get CL football and contender status back. And quite frankly, we don't deserve to. Why should fans who do nothing but slate their team, get to see the team win anything. Wake up kids, it ain't the manager that Arsenal players are not wanting to play for. It's the sh!tty fans who will only appreciate their effort, if they win and like to troll them and their family members.
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Nothing wrong with fans or their expectation. Dein pointed out when they were building the new stadium the club needs it to join the bigger clubs. Expectation goes with that. With respect when Leicester can manage to appoint a manager who help them perform better than the sum of their parts so should Arsenal.
comment by Lucas NorthBank (U11643)
posted 9 hours, 54 minutes ago
Seems little point in sacking Emery now the top 4 is gone. May as well go for EL now and he has won that.
Vieria would say that as he is a manager now.
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We're making Vitoria look good and you think we have a chance of winning the EL? I'll have what you're smoking please...
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
I just think we have to remember that Sanllehi and Vinai have to protect their new structure as well. Things aren't going well and so it should be much easier to change managers in the new structure. Gazidis appointed Emery and Edu wasn't even involved in the decision. I think it makes sense for the new regime to make the change sooner than later. The problem however, which everyone here seem to be ignoring, is that someone has to want the job before the transfer window is even open!
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Job is toxic until the Wenger generation of the fanbase get a grip. There's no quick fix here because the club is in a mess. Nobody is going to come in, turn it around overnight and romp us into 4th. Because Everybody you could bring in will face the same problem. Too many fans that suck and are more interested in slating thier team than they are in supporting it. Fans whom rather than cheer them on to get them going when things don't go smoothly (like other clubs fans do). Instead they sit letting away fans be heard in thier stadium. Because their too busy getting on their phones, prepping thier next “Sack the manager/This player's rubbish” post, tweet, vlog, blog or otherwise.
The toxicity of “Wenger spoilt brat entitlement,” has left the team lacking support every other team gets. And it is just as big a problem at AFC as any manager, player or otherwise. In fact I'd go one further and say it's one of the biggest, if not the biggest problem/s AFC has. Sick and tired for years now of watching Wenger brats moan the manager or a player is crap at/not doing thier job. When, since the day we moved into the Emirates, the “12th man” has never feckin once, even turned up to do his! Since he moved out of the old house into his nice fat N.London mansion. He apperently decided that cheering when you're not on top is only for peasants, who live council houses.
Until Arsenal fans start behaving like REAL football fans and supporting the goddam team whether it's winning or losing. We won't get CL football and contender status back. And quite frankly, we don't deserve to. Why should fans who do nothing but slate their team, get to see the team win anything. Wake up kids, it ain't the manager that Arsenal players are not wanting to play for. It's the sh!tty fans who will only appreciate their effort, if they win and like to troll them and their family members.
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Chelsea finish 2 points above Arsenal at the end of 2018/19. They get in a manager who has a single season managing a Championship side. They have not bought a single player and in fact sold they best player by some margin. They are currently 9 points above us and getting better...
...yet fans have a "Wenger spoilt brat entitlement"?
Chelsea have a better team. Better players too as well as better depth in their side. Arsenal have better attackers in lacs and pea but other than that, Chelsea Trump's Arsenal in all other positions. Tottenham are having a worse season and United have been up and down. Its not been all too bad for Arsenal.
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 13 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
I just think we have to remember that Sanllehi and Vinai have to protect their new structure as well. Things aren't going well and so it should be much easier to change managers in the new structure. Gazidis appointed Emery and Edu wasn't even involved in the decision. I think it makes sense for the new regime to make the change sooner than later. The problem however, which everyone here seem to be ignoring, is that someone has to want the job before the transfer window is even open!
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Job is toxic until the Wenger generation of the fanbase get a grip. There's no quick fix here because the club is in a mess. Nobody is going to come in, turn it around overnight and romp us into 4th. Because Everybody you could bring in will face the same problem. Too many fans that suck and are more interested in slating thier team than they are in supporting it. Fans whom rather than cheer them on to get them going when things don't go smoothly (like other clubs fans do). Instead they sit letting away fans be heard in thier stadium. Because their too busy getting on their phones, prepping thier next “Sack the manager/This player's rubbish” post, tweet, vlog, blog or otherwise.
The toxicity of “Wenger spoilt brat entitlement,” has left the team lacking support every other team gets. And it is just as big a problem at AFC as any manager, player or otherwise. In fact I'd go one further and say it's one of the biggest, if not the biggest problem/s AFC has. Sick and tired for years now of watching Wenger brats moan the manager or a player is crap at/not doing thier job. When, since the day we moved into the Emirates, the “12th man” has never feckin once, even turned up to do his! Since he moved out of the old house into his nice fat N.London mansion. He apperently decided that cheering when you're not on top is only for peasants, who live council houses.
Until Arsenal fans start behaving like REAL football fans and supporting the goddam team whether it's winning or losing. We won't get CL football and contender status back. And quite frankly, we don't deserve to. Why should fans who do nothing but slate their team, get to see the team win anything. Wake up kids, it ain't the manager that Arsenal players are not wanting to play for. It's the sh!tty fans who will only appreciate their effort, if they win and like to troll them and their family members.
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Chelsea finish 2 points above Arsenal at the end of 2018/19. They get in a manager who has a single season managing a Championship side. They have not bought a single player and in fact sold they best player by some margin. They are currently 9 points above us and getting better...
...yet fans have a "Wenger spoilt brat entitlement"?
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Why are you citing Chelsea? If you want to do that then you need to compare what Emery done LAST season, to Frank. Not this one. This time last season we were unbeaten in 10 PL games and looking good for 3rd. Then the back line got wiped out by injury. That's when it all started to go wrong for Emery.
So Emery has actually managed the same start as Frank already. Been there done that, back from the honeymoon to the real world of football team problems. Just because it's all going great for Frank now doesn't mean that it will stay like that. Another reason it's a poor comparison is that Frank has so many advantages over Emery.
1. He grew up in the PL
2. He's inherited a better 1st 11 and the best youngster crop in the country right now.
3. He's in a club setup specifically to swap managers in and out at Roman's whim. Not walking into one that's been set in management granite for 20 years.
4. Uncle 'Arry.
So like I said, no comparison at all and even if you find one. Timelines say Frank is yet to do any better than Emery. Granted it looks likely that he will but until he does, Frank ain't a stick you can beat Emery with.
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 6 hours, 36 minutes ago
Chelsea have a better team. Better players too as well as better depth in their side. Arsenal have better attackers in lacs and pea but other than that, Chelsea Trump's Arsenal in all other positions. Tottenham are having a worse season and United have been up and down. Its not been all too bad for Arsenal.
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So we're as good as Sheffield?
So we have a worse team that Leicester?
The fact that we drew with Watford, Wolves, Tottenham, a shambolic Man U (at that time) and lost to Liverpool academy players, the aforementioned Leicester doesn't tell you anything?
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 13 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
I just think we have to remember that Sanllehi and Vinai have to protect their new structure as well. Things aren't going well and so it should be much easier to change managers in the new structure. Gazidis appointed Emery and Edu wasn't even involved in the decision. I think it makes sense for the new regime to make the change sooner than later. The problem however, which everyone here seem to be ignoring, is that someone has to want the job before the transfer window is even open!
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Job is toxic until the Wenger generation of the fanbase get a grip. There's no quick fix here because the club is in a mess. Nobody is going to come in, turn it around overnight and romp us into 4th. Because Everybody you could bring in will face the same problem. Too many fans that suck and are more interested in slating thier team than they are in supporting it. Fans whom rather than cheer them on to get them going when things don't go smoothly (like other clubs fans do). Instead they sit letting away fans be heard in thier stadium. Because their too busy getting on their phones, prepping thier next “Sack the manager/This player's rubbish” post, tweet, vlog, blog or otherwise.
The toxicity of “Wenger spoilt brat entitlement,” has left the team lacking support every other team gets. And it is just as big a problem at AFC as any manager, player or otherwise. In fact I'd go one further and say it's one of the biggest, if not the biggest problem/s AFC has. Sick and tired for years now of watching Wenger brats moan the manager or a player is crap at/not doing thier job. When, since the day we moved into the Emirates, the “12th man” has never feckin once, even turned up to do his! Since he moved out of the old house into his nice fat N.London mansion. He apperently decided that cheering when you're not on top is only for peasants, who live council houses.
Until Arsenal fans start behaving like REAL football fans and supporting the goddam team whether it's winning or losing. We won't get CL football and contender status back. And quite frankly, we don't deserve to. Why should fans who do nothing but slate their team, get to see the team win anything. Wake up kids, it ain't the manager that Arsenal players are not wanting to play for. It's the sh!tty fans who will only appreciate their effort, if they win and like to troll them and their family members.
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Chelsea finish 2 points above Arsenal at the end of 2018/19. They get in a manager who has a single season managing a Championship side. They have not bought a single player and in fact sold they best player by some margin. They are currently 9 points above us and getting better...
...yet fans have a "Wenger spoilt brat entitlement"?
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Why are you citing Chelsea? If you want to do that then you need to compare what Emery done LAST season, to Frank. Not this one. This time last season we were unbeaten in 10 PL games and looking good for 3rd. Then the back line got wiped out by injury. That's when it all started to go wrong for Emery.
So Emery has actually managed the same start as Frank already. Been there done that, back from the honeymoon to the real world of football team problems. Just because it's all going great for Frank now doesn't mean that it will stay like that. Another reason it's a poor comparison is that Frank has so many advantages over Emery.
1. He grew up in the PL
2. He's inherited a better 1st 11 and the best youngster crop in the country right now.
3. He's in a club setup specifically to swap managers in and out at Roman's whim. Not walking into one that's been set in management granite for 20 years.
4. Uncle 'Arry.
So like I said, no comparison at all and even if you find one. Timelines say Frank is yet to do any better than Emery. Granted it looks likely that he will but until he does, Frank ain't a stick you can beat Emery with.
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I'm citing Lampard / Chelsea because he's a manager who has literally one year of management experience, is hamstrung by a lack of ability to invest in the team from outside, has the pressure of being sacked from his job if he doesn't perform (like you yourself say, Chelsea is ruthless) and with all that, he's got a team comprising of loanee returns, youth firing on all cylinders in a matter of weeks.
We, on the other hand, have an experienced, cup winning (as people constantly point out) manager who has made our team unarguably worse over a longer period of time.
Harry can give advice but Harry's not the one in the dugout. Who's to say he even listens to Harry anyway. It's not like he (Redknapp) set the world alight when he was a manager!
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 6 hours, 36 minutes ago
Chelsea have a better team. Better players too as well as better depth in their side. Arsenal have better attackers in lacs and pea but other than that, Chelsea Trump's Arsenal in all other positions. Tottenham are having a worse season and United have been up and down. Its not been all too bad for Arsenal.
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So we're as good as Sheffield?
So we have a worse team that Leicester?
The fact that we drew with Watford, Wolves, Tottenham, a shambolic Man U (at that time) and lost to Liverpool academy players, the aforementioned Leicester doesn't tell you anything?
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Yes, that the team is in a shocking run of form. Nothing more. Not that we should panic sack the manager.
Like I said, you are giving Lampard praise for achieving what Emery did already. Slating Emery whilst you hail Frank as better than him for accomplishing exactly the same thing he did at the time. Like the way you understated the sheer quality of Frank's youngsters, the stronger core of seniors and his lifetime living in the PL. Maybe it's because you've totally disregarded them due to them not fitting your narrative of events.
No fans were yelling “Sack Emery” 12 games into last season. So no fan has any business saying “Sack Emery now cos look at Lampard after 12 games.” You can sack Emery for several things, but as yet, Lampard doing better than him by comparison, isn't one of them.
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yes, that the team is in a shocking run of form. Nothing more. Not that we should panic sack the manager.
Like I said, you are giving Lampard praise for achieving what Emery did already. Slating Emery whilst you hail Frank as better than him for accomplishing exactly the same thing he did at the time. Like the way you understated the sheer quality of Frank's youngsters, the stronger core of seniors and his lifetime living in the PL. Maybe it's because you've totally disregarded them due to them not fitting your narrative of events.
No fans were yelling “Sack Emery” 12 games into last season. So no fan has any business saying “Sack Emery now cos look at Lampard after 12 games.” You can sack Emery for several things, but as yet, Lampard doing better than him by comparison, isn't one of them.
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"Hailing" Frank is a stretch. It's a form of comparative analysis.
As for Emery, if his objective is to get top four (from Don Raul) and it is increasingly statistically difficult for this to happen (which by the way, wouldn't be a surprise considering where his teams have typically finished in the past), if he continually fails to use the team he has in the best way, if he shows a weakness as a manager in his decision-making... why would you want him to stay? This isn't a call for a panic sacking... the benefit of the time he's been at the club is that we can see what he's like. I'd be inclined to suggest that the 22-game winning streak was the fluke and we are now seeing the real Emery. We have been since the last third of last season.
I suppose what you can say about Lampard is that he is trying to implement a definite press high style. The thing is that style works fairly well early in the season. But in the second half of the season most of the players are mostly knackered, and you get a huge let down. Klopp doesn't press as much anymore for that reason.
One accurate criticism of Emery is that we can't pinpoint what he is trying to do. We try to start moves from the back like Pep but our tempo is too slow for playing a high possession game and our defence plays too deep for a short passing game.
Jenius is it just me or did the trouble with playing out from the back begin when Mustafi was dropped? I don't remember him struggling and flustering to play the ball out. Has his issues but basic playing the short ball out safely isn't one of them.
I don't think we should sack him because at this point I think itd be a panic response to a bad start. But I do wonder if I have more patience due to having a more realistic view of the team as a whole. And most importantly of all a greater appreceation than most Arsenal fans on this board. Of just how valuable Aaron Ramsey was to this team. Types of points we're dropping this year are the types he came off the bench to catch last. I simply wasn't expecting to much better than we've gotten. Knowing we were starting the season with no FBs, No decent CB, and no Ramsey, relying on Ozil to save the day.
I genuinely wrote off the first half of the season anyway. IMO the Kroenkes got at least another 100mil in cheques to write before anyone can be talking about sacking the manager. Emery ain't even gotten to use all the players he's been bought yet. Dude even had to give one of them straight back for a year.
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yes, that the team is in a shocking run of form. Nothing more. Not that we should panic sack the manager.
Like I said, you are giving Lampard praise for achieving what Emery did already. Slating Emery whilst you hail Frank as better than him for accomplishing exactly the same thing he did at the time. Like the way you understated the sheer quality of Frank's youngsters, the stronger core of seniors and his lifetime living in the PL. Maybe it's because you've totally disregarded them due to them not fitting your narrative of events.
No fans were yelling “Sack Emery” 12 games into last season. So no fan has any business saying “Sack Emery now cos look at Lampard after 12 games.” You can sack Emery for several things, but as yet, Lampard doing better than him by comparison, isn't one of them.
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"Hailing" Frank is a stretch. It's a form of comparative analysis.
As for Emery, if his objective is to get top four (from Don Raul) and it is increasingly statistically difficult for this to happen (which by the way, wouldn't be a surprise considering where his teams have typically finished in the past), if he continually fails to use the team he has in the best way, if he shows a weakness as a manager in his decision-making... why would you want him to stay? This isn't a call for a panic sacking... the benefit of the time he's been at the club is that we can see what he's like. I'd be inclined to suggest that the 22-game winning streak was the fluke and we are now seeing the real Emery. We have been since the last third of last season.
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I'd suggest ya loopy if you think any manager can “Fluke” a 22 game unbeaten streak in this league. Fluke would be the same this year with no Ramsey.
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yes, that the team is in a shocking run of form. Nothing more. Not that we should panic sack the manager.
Like I said, you are giving Lampard praise for achieving what Emery did already. Slating Emery whilst you hail Frank as better than him for accomplishing exactly the same thing he did at the time. Like the way you understated the sheer quality of Frank's youngsters, the stronger core of seniors and his lifetime living in the PL. Maybe it's because you've totally disregarded them due to them not fitting your narrative of events.
No fans were yelling “Sack Emery” 12 games into last season. So no fan has any business saying “Sack Emery now cos look at Lampard after 12 games.” You can sack Emery for several things, but as yet, Lampard doing better than him by comparison, isn't one of them.
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"Hailing" Frank is a stretch. It's a form of comparative analysis.
As for Emery, if his objective is to get top four (from Don Raul) and it is increasingly statistically difficult for this to happen (which by the way, wouldn't be a surprise considering where his teams have typically finished in the past), if he continually fails to use the team he has in the best way, if he shows a weakness as a manager in his decision-making... why would you want him to stay? This isn't a call for a panic sacking... the benefit of the time he's been at the club is that we can see what he's like. I'd be inclined to suggest that the 22-game winning streak was the fluke and we are now seeing the real Emery. We have been since the last third of last season.
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I'd suggest ya loopy if you think any manager can “Fluke” a 22 game unbeaten streak in this league. Fluke would be the same this year with no Ramsey.
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Then I'm loopy. Because there's no way he's capable of stringing together three straight wins right now let alone another 22.
Jenius is it just me or did the trouble with playing out from the back begin when Mustafi was dropped?
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The problem started under Wenger when we bought Xhaka and Mustafi. Mustafi was responsible so many errant passes just like Xhaka. Its worse with the new goalkeeping rules. We have been susceptible to high press for years. I give credit to Martinez at Wigan for spotting Wenger's decision of playing passers in CM. It all started to go wrong with Arteta. Then compounded with slow CBs like Mertesacker.
If you are trying to play out from the back you want your CBs and CMs to play close together. Then you can push up as a team with short passing. If you have slow CBs or slow passing CMs then that space gets larger. The opposing teams can then position themselves to intercept in the passing lanes. When they do intercept, your own defence is not set, remember you are pushing your full backs higher in possession so you end up giving the opposition a very danger scenario that leads to conceding more often than not.
Its not new. Leeds Utd used to press high all the time in our greatest days. But when you have Vieira and Gilberto with Sol and Kolo behind you could destroy that in seconds.
Watch this game: Leeds vs Arsenal at Highbury to see what I mean.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfGKBu5b5Fs
Just look at how many players Leeds push to a high press and how we defeat it.
Sublime.
Not sure if some people weren't actually watching us during that 22 game streak but we played similarly to how we played during the poor run of results at the end of last season.
It all evened out results wise in the end, we were pretty mediocre the whole time, including during the 22 game run
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His not doing it again immediately this season. Without the exact same tools at his disposal as last season. Doesn't make last season a fluke. It makes it one where his back line was fully fit, fully staffed and mostly familiar. Plus Ramsey to save games that went wrong. I'd argue that Ramsey and Monreal still here Bellerin and Holding fit from start and Mustafi back in for Luis and hey presto, no current shambles and apparent backslide. That's alot of factors.
Enough to pull the rug out from under any manager. And enough that you shouldnt really be that surprised where we're at given we went into the window needing 2 top CBs 2 WB/FBs, a Ramsey replacement, another out and out DM and A winger. But we only bought, a player to replace Ozil not Ramsey. 1 winger, whilst selling the one we had, so we still need 1 winger. CB twice as bad as the one we've dropped and one CB we gave straight back for a year. No DM and only one WB who's as good as broken for the first half of the season. Dude, it's a miracle we're still 6th after leaving the bloke that shower of sh!t to work from/with.
Not exactly an Emery fan. Just think that he kinda got stiffed in the transfer window, among other things. Actually wondering if the Kroenkes or/and Edu already planned for additional players this window coming. Makes sense them not rushing to sack him if they already decided he gets more players in Jan.
He did not want Ramsey. By the time he realised he did, Ramsey was off. The situation with Kos kicked off at the beginning of summer. Plenty of time to look at replacements. Did they do that? No.
But fine, the club lost Ramsey, Koscielny and Monreal. That does not define your new season.
Who's decision was it to play out the situation with Ozil?
Who's decision was it to play Torreira as an ACM?
Who's decision was it to insist on playing from the back and force them to when it's clear after several attempts that it's not working and it puts the team under pressure?
No-one forced the club to buy Saliba when, for example, Upamecano was available to be bought and actually used by the club this season.
I'm sorry but, as much as there are SOME extenuating circumstances, the truth is that Emery isn't a good coach. As Scruttocks rightly said, the results are one thing but the performances are quite another... and based on those performances, this isn't surprising. Are you seriously telling me that, despite the additions and departures, this team cannot beat Watford? Cannot beat Sheffield United? Can scrape a victory against Burnley? Are you seriously telling me that this team is only good enough to make Vitoria look as good as we did over those two games?
There are factors but the biggest one is the manager. He's just not that good.
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posted on 13/11/19
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 18 minutes ago
Top four is definitely possible, it's incredibly unlikely with Emery in charge though.
Sack him, give someone else a go and the chances are much better
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No they're actually not. Not unless that someone else is going to be given hundreds of mil to spend in the window and buy a new team to bring with him. If we have all that money to be splashing around on players. Then it makes far more sense to give Emery a bundle to improve the team.
The hilarious thing here is that you people actually believe you have been patient A tenure like Wenger's, with the heights it reached. Ending without a legacy handover. Was ALWAYS destined to be a 3-5 year MINIMUM squad rebuild. Not ifs, no buts, no maybes about it.
P!ssed off and moaning sack the manager less than 1.5 years into a job that should take 3-5 min, IS NOT being patient with him. It's the equvalent of showing up one third of the way through a huge building rennovation and complaining to sack the contractor just because the place looks like a building site and nothing at all like the completed rennovation project.
posted on 13/11/19
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 18 minutes ago
Top four is definitely possible, it's incredibly unlikely with Emery in charge though.
Sack him, give someone else a go and the chances are much better
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No they're actually not. Not unless that someone else is going to be given hundreds of mil to spend in the window and buy a new team to bring with him. If we have all that money to be splashing around on players. Then it makes far more sense to give Emery a bundle to improve the team.
The hilarious thing here is that you people actually believe you have been patientA tenure like Wenger's, with the heights it reached. Ending without a legacy handover. Was ALWAYS destined to be a 3-5 year MINIMUM squad rebuild. Not ifs, no buts, no maybes about it.
P!ssed off and moaning sack the manager less than 1.5 years into a job that should take 3-5 min, IS NOT being patient with him. It's the equvalent of showing up one third of the way through a huge building rennovation and complaining to sack the contractor just because the place looks like a building site and nothing at all like the completed rennovation project.
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The fact that we have been slowly getting worse during his tenure though doesn't help your point.
Many managers have gone in a made a visible difference to their teams, in a much shorter time frame, with less money than Unai.
posted on 13/11/19
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 18 minutes ago
Top four is definitely possible, it's incredibly unlikely with Emery in charge though.
Sack him, give someone else a go and the chances are much better
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No they're actually not. Not unless that someone else is going to be given hundreds of mil to spend in the window and buy a new team to bring with him. If we have all that money to be splashing around on players. Then it makes far more sense to give Emery a bundle to improve the team.
The hilarious thing here is that you people actually believe you have been patientA tenure like Wenger's, with the heights it reached. Ending without a legacy handover. Was ALWAYS destined to be a 3-5 year MINIMUM squad rebuild. Not ifs, no buts, no maybes about it.
P!ssed off and moaning sack the manager less than 1.5 years into a job that should take 3-5 min, IS NOT being patient with him. It's the equvalent of showing up one third of the way through a huge building rennovation and complaining to sack the contractor just because the place looks like a building site and nothing at all like the completed rennovation project.
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Emery is not a top 4 manager, yes the team isn't the best but we are surely better than Watford, Wolves or Sheffield utd.
We made Victoria look like Barcelona at our home ground, of course a new manager can turn this team around.
posted on 13/11/19
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
I just think we have to remember that Sanllehi and Vinai have to protect their new structure as well. Things aren't going well and so it should be much easier to change managers in the new structure. Gazidis appointed Emery and Edu wasn't even involved in the decision. I think it makes sense for the new regime to make the change sooner than later. The problem however, which everyone here seem to be ignoring, is that someone has to want the job before the transfer window is even open!
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Job is toxic until the Wenger generation of the fanbase get a grip. There's no quick fix here because the club is in a mess. Nobody is going to come in, turn it around overnight and romp us into 4th. Because Everybody you could bring in will face the same problem. Too many fans that suck and are more interested in slating thier team than they are in supporting it. Fans whom rather than cheer them on to get them going when things don't go smoothly (like other clubs fans do). Instead they sit letting away fans be heard in thier stadium. Because their too busy getting on their phones, prepping thier next “Sack the manager/This player's rubbish” post, tweet, vlog, blog or otherwise.
The toxicity of “Wenger spoilt brat entitlement,” has left the team lacking support every other team gets. And it is just as big a problem at AFC as any manager, player or otherwise. In fact I'd go one further and say it's one of the biggest, if not the biggest problem/s AFC has. Sick and tired for years now of watching Wenger brats moan the manager or a player is crap at/not doing thier job. When, since the day we moved into the Emirates, the “12th man” has never feckin once, even turned up to do his! Since he moved out of the old house into his nice fat N.London mansion. He apperently decided that cheering when you're not on top is only for peasants, who live council houses.
Until Arsenal fans start behaving like REAL football fans and supporting the goddam team whether it's winning or losing. We won't get CL football and contender status back. And quite frankly, we don't deserve to. Why should fans who do nothing but slate their team, get to see the team win anything. Wake up kids, it ain't the manager that Arsenal players are not wanting to play for. It's the sh!tty fans who will only appreciate their effort, if they win and like to troll them and their family members.
posted on 13/11/19
Passion
Yes we're better than all of them. But that doesn't mean we can't ever lose to them. We've been flat track bullies against the lesser teams that many seasons, people forgot we can lose to them. Beginning of this season was always going to be rough. Only thing about results that should be a surprise to anyone is how the fates kept us as high as 6th with the mess. Not the mess itself.
posted on 13/11/19
Wake up kids, it ain't the manager that Arsenal players are not wanting to play for. It's the sh!tty fans who will only appreciate their effort, if they win and like to troll them and their family members.
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Granted,we have some of the worst 'fans' in the PL BUT the players play for THEMSELVES first, families next, the badge, the manager, then maybe the fans, we're not that important.
Football is a entertainment business which people pay their hard earned money to watch, if your not being entertained or don't like what you see, your well within your rights to complain, like any other business.
posted on 13/11/19
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
I just think we have to remember that Sanllehi and Vinai have to protect their new structure as well. Things aren't going well and so it should be much easier to change managers in the new structure. Gazidis appointed Emery and Edu wasn't even involved in the decision. I think it makes sense for the new regime to make the change sooner than later. The problem however, which everyone here seem to be ignoring, is that someone has to want the job before the transfer window is even open!
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Job is toxic until the Wenger generation of the fanbase get a grip. There's no quick fix here because the club is in a mess. Nobody is going to come in, turn it around overnight and romp us into 4th. Because Everybody you could bring in will face the same problem. Too many fans that suck and are more interested in slating thier team than they are in supporting it. Fans whom rather than cheer them on to get them going when things don't go smoothly (like other clubs fans do). Instead they sit letting away fans be heard in thier stadium. Because their too busy getting on their phones, prepping thier next “Sack the manager/This player's rubbish” post, tweet, vlog, blog or otherwise.
The toxicity of “Wenger spoilt brat entitlement,” has left the team lacking support every other team gets. And it is just as big a problem at AFC as any manager, player or otherwise. In fact I'd go one further and say it's one of the biggest, if not the biggest problem/s AFC has. Sick and tired for years now of watching Wenger brats moan the manager or a player is crap at/not doing thier job. When, since the day we moved into the Emirates, the “12th man” has never feckin once, even turned up to do his! Since he moved out of the old house into his nice fat N.London mansion. He apperently decided that cheering when you're not on top is only for peasants, who live council houses.
Until Arsenal fans start behaving like REAL football fans and supporting the goddam team whether it's winning or losing. We won't get CL football and contender status back. And quite frankly, we don't deserve to. Why should fans who do nothing but slate their team, get to see the team win anything. Wake up kids, it ain't the manager that Arsenal players are not wanting to play for. It's the sh!tty fans who will only appreciate their effort, if they win and like to troll them and their family members.
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Nothing wrong with fans or their expectation. Dein pointed out when they were building the new stadium the club needs it to join the bigger clubs. Expectation goes with that. With respect when Leicester can manage to appoint a manager who help them perform better than the sum of their parts so should Arsenal.
posted on 13/11/19
comment by Lucas NorthBank (U11643)
posted 9 hours, 54 minutes ago
Seems little point in sacking Emery now the top 4 is gone. May as well go for EL now and he has won that.
Vieria would say that as he is a manager now.
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We're making Vitoria look good and you think we have a chance of winning the EL? I'll have what you're smoking please...
posted on 13/11/19
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
I just think we have to remember that Sanllehi and Vinai have to protect their new structure as well. Things aren't going well and so it should be much easier to change managers in the new structure. Gazidis appointed Emery and Edu wasn't even involved in the decision. I think it makes sense for the new regime to make the change sooner than later. The problem however, which everyone here seem to be ignoring, is that someone has to want the job before the transfer window is even open!
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Job is toxic until the Wenger generation of the fanbase get a grip. There's no quick fix here because the club is in a mess. Nobody is going to come in, turn it around overnight and romp us into 4th. Because Everybody you could bring in will face the same problem. Too many fans that suck and are more interested in slating thier team than they are in supporting it. Fans whom rather than cheer them on to get them going when things don't go smoothly (like other clubs fans do). Instead they sit letting away fans be heard in thier stadium. Because their too busy getting on their phones, prepping thier next “Sack the manager/This player's rubbish” post, tweet, vlog, blog or otherwise.
The toxicity of “Wenger spoilt brat entitlement,” has left the team lacking support every other team gets. And it is just as big a problem at AFC as any manager, player or otherwise. In fact I'd go one further and say it's one of the biggest, if not the biggest problem/s AFC has. Sick and tired for years now of watching Wenger brats moan the manager or a player is crap at/not doing thier job. When, since the day we moved into the Emirates, the “12th man” has never feckin once, even turned up to do his! Since he moved out of the old house into his nice fat N.London mansion. He apperently decided that cheering when you're not on top is only for peasants, who live council houses.
Until Arsenal fans start behaving like REAL football fans and supporting the goddam team whether it's winning or losing. We won't get CL football and contender status back. And quite frankly, we don't deserve to. Why should fans who do nothing but slate their team, get to see the team win anything. Wake up kids, it ain't the manager that Arsenal players are not wanting to play for. It's the sh!tty fans who will only appreciate their effort, if they win and like to troll them and their family members.
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Chelsea finish 2 points above Arsenal at the end of 2018/19. They get in a manager who has a single season managing a Championship side. They have not bought a single player and in fact sold they best player by some margin. They are currently 9 points above us and getting better...
...yet fans have a "Wenger spoilt brat entitlement"?
posted on 14/11/19
Chelsea have a better team. Better players too as well as better depth in their side. Arsenal have better attackers in lacs and pea but other than that, Chelsea Trump's Arsenal in all other positions. Tottenham are having a worse season and United have been up and down. Its not been all too bad for Arsenal.
posted on 14/11/19
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 13 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
I just think we have to remember that Sanllehi and Vinai have to protect their new structure as well. Things aren't going well and so it should be much easier to change managers in the new structure. Gazidis appointed Emery and Edu wasn't even involved in the decision. I think it makes sense for the new regime to make the change sooner than later. The problem however, which everyone here seem to be ignoring, is that someone has to want the job before the transfer window is even open!
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Job is toxic until the Wenger generation of the fanbase get a grip. There's no quick fix here because the club is in a mess. Nobody is going to come in, turn it around overnight and romp us into 4th. Because Everybody you could bring in will face the same problem. Too many fans that suck and are more interested in slating thier team than they are in supporting it. Fans whom rather than cheer them on to get them going when things don't go smoothly (like other clubs fans do). Instead they sit letting away fans be heard in thier stadium. Because their too busy getting on their phones, prepping thier next “Sack the manager/This player's rubbish” post, tweet, vlog, blog or otherwise.
The toxicity of “Wenger spoilt brat entitlement,” has left the team lacking support every other team gets. And it is just as big a problem at AFC as any manager, player or otherwise. In fact I'd go one further and say it's one of the biggest, if not the biggest problem/s AFC has. Sick and tired for years now of watching Wenger brats moan the manager or a player is crap at/not doing thier job. When, since the day we moved into the Emirates, the “12th man” has never feckin once, even turned up to do his! Since he moved out of the old house into his nice fat N.London mansion. He apperently decided that cheering when you're not on top is only for peasants, who live council houses.
Until Arsenal fans start behaving like REAL football fans and supporting the goddam team whether it's winning or losing. We won't get CL football and contender status back. And quite frankly, we don't deserve to. Why should fans who do nothing but slate their team, get to see the team win anything. Wake up kids, it ain't the manager that Arsenal players are not wanting to play for. It's the sh!tty fans who will only appreciate their effort, if they win and like to troll them and their family members.
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Chelsea finish 2 points above Arsenal at the end of 2018/19. They get in a manager who has a single season managing a Championship side. They have not bought a single player and in fact sold they best player by some margin. They are currently 9 points above us and getting better...
...yet fans have a "Wenger spoilt brat entitlement"?
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Why are you citing Chelsea? If you want to do that then you need to compare what Emery done LAST season, to Frank. Not this one. This time last season we were unbeaten in 10 PL games and looking good for 3rd. Then the back line got wiped out by injury. That's when it all started to go wrong for Emery.
So Emery has actually managed the same start as Frank already. Been there done that, back from the honeymoon to the real world of football team problems. Just because it's all going great for Frank now doesn't mean that it will stay like that. Another reason it's a poor comparison is that Frank has so many advantages over Emery.
1. He grew up in the PL
2. He's inherited a better 1st 11 and the best youngster crop in the country right now.
3. He's in a club setup specifically to swap managers in and out at Roman's whim. Not walking into one that's been set in management granite for 20 years.
4. Uncle 'Arry.
So like I said, no comparison at all and even if you find one. Timelines say Frank is yet to do any better than Emery. Granted it looks likely that he will but until he does, Frank ain't a stick you can beat Emery with.
posted on 14/11/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 6 hours, 36 minutes ago
Chelsea have a better team. Better players too as well as better depth in their side. Arsenal have better attackers in lacs and pea but other than that, Chelsea Trump's Arsenal in all other positions. Tottenham are having a worse season and United have been up and down. Its not been all too bad for Arsenal.
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So we're as good as Sheffield?
So we have a worse team that Leicester?
The fact that we drew with Watford, Wolves, Tottenham, a shambolic Man U (at that time) and lost to Liverpool academy players, the aforementioned Leicester doesn't tell you anything?
posted on 14/11/19
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 13 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
I just think we have to remember that Sanllehi and Vinai have to protect their new structure as well. Things aren't going well and so it should be much easier to change managers in the new structure. Gazidis appointed Emery and Edu wasn't even involved in the decision. I think it makes sense for the new regime to make the change sooner than later. The problem however, which everyone here seem to be ignoring, is that someone has to want the job before the transfer window is even open!
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Job is toxic until the Wenger generation of the fanbase get a grip. There's no quick fix here because the club is in a mess. Nobody is going to come in, turn it around overnight and romp us into 4th. Because Everybody you could bring in will face the same problem. Too many fans that suck and are more interested in slating thier team than they are in supporting it. Fans whom rather than cheer them on to get them going when things don't go smoothly (like other clubs fans do). Instead they sit letting away fans be heard in thier stadium. Because their too busy getting on their phones, prepping thier next “Sack the manager/This player's rubbish” post, tweet, vlog, blog or otherwise.
The toxicity of “Wenger spoilt brat entitlement,” has left the team lacking support every other team gets. And it is just as big a problem at AFC as any manager, player or otherwise. In fact I'd go one further and say it's one of the biggest, if not the biggest problem/s AFC has. Sick and tired for years now of watching Wenger brats moan the manager or a player is crap at/not doing thier job. When, since the day we moved into the Emirates, the “12th man” has never feckin once, even turned up to do his! Since he moved out of the old house into his nice fat N.London mansion. He apperently decided that cheering when you're not on top is only for peasants, who live council houses.
Until Arsenal fans start behaving like REAL football fans and supporting the goddam team whether it's winning or losing. We won't get CL football and contender status back. And quite frankly, we don't deserve to. Why should fans who do nothing but slate their team, get to see the team win anything. Wake up kids, it ain't the manager that Arsenal players are not wanting to play for. It's the sh!tty fans who will only appreciate their effort, if they win and like to troll them and their family members.
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Chelsea finish 2 points above Arsenal at the end of 2018/19. They get in a manager who has a single season managing a Championship side. They have not bought a single player and in fact sold they best player by some margin. They are currently 9 points above us and getting better...
...yet fans have a "Wenger spoilt brat entitlement"?
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Why are you citing Chelsea? If you want to do that then you need to compare what Emery done LAST season, to Frank. Not this one. This time last season we were unbeaten in 10 PL games and looking good for 3rd. Then the back line got wiped out by injury. That's when it all started to go wrong for Emery.
So Emery has actually managed the same start as Frank already. Been there done that, back from the honeymoon to the real world of football team problems. Just because it's all going great for Frank now doesn't mean that it will stay like that. Another reason it's a poor comparison is that Frank has so many advantages over Emery.
1. He grew up in the PL
2. He's inherited a better 1st 11 and the best youngster crop in the country right now.
3. He's in a club setup specifically to swap managers in and out at Roman's whim. Not walking into one that's been set in management granite for 20 years.
4. Uncle 'Arry.
So like I said, no comparison at all and even if you find one. Timelines say Frank is yet to do any better than Emery. Granted it looks likely that he will but until he does, Frank ain't a stick you can beat Emery with.
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I'm citing Lampard / Chelsea because he's a manager who has literally one year of management experience, is hamstrung by a lack of ability to invest in the team from outside, has the pressure of being sacked from his job if he doesn't perform (like you yourself say, Chelsea is ruthless) and with all that, he's got a team comprising of loanee returns, youth firing on all cylinders in a matter of weeks.
We, on the other hand, have an experienced, cup winning (as people constantly point out) manager who has made our team unarguably worse over a longer period of time.
Harry can give advice but Harry's not the one in the dugout. Who's to say he even listens to Harry anyway. It's not like he (Redknapp) set the world alight when he was a manager!
posted on 14/11/19
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 6 hours, 36 minutes ago
Chelsea have a better team. Better players too as well as better depth in their side. Arsenal have better attackers in lacs and pea but other than that, Chelsea Trump's Arsenal in all other positions. Tottenham are having a worse season and United have been up and down. Its not been all too bad for Arsenal.
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So we're as good as Sheffield?
So we have a worse team that Leicester?
The fact that we drew with Watford, Wolves, Tottenham, a shambolic Man U (at that time) and lost to Liverpool academy players, the aforementioned Leicester doesn't tell you anything?
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Yes, that the team is in a shocking run of form. Nothing more. Not that we should panic sack the manager.
Like I said, you are giving Lampard praise for achieving what Emery did already. Slating Emery whilst you hail Frank as better than him for accomplishing exactly the same thing he did at the time. Like the way you understated the sheer quality of Frank's youngsters, the stronger core of seniors and his lifetime living in the PL. Maybe it's because you've totally disregarded them due to them not fitting your narrative of events.
No fans were yelling “Sack Emery” 12 games into last season. So no fan has any business saying “Sack Emery now cos look at Lampard after 12 games.” You can sack Emery for several things, but as yet, Lampard doing better than him by comparison, isn't one of them.
posted on 14/11/19
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yes, that the team is in a shocking run of form. Nothing more. Not that we should panic sack the manager.
Like I said, you are giving Lampard praise for achieving what Emery did already. Slating Emery whilst you hail Frank as better than him for accomplishing exactly the same thing he did at the time. Like the way you understated the sheer quality of Frank's youngsters, the stronger core of seniors and his lifetime living in the PL. Maybe it's because you've totally disregarded them due to them not fitting your narrative of events.
No fans were yelling “Sack Emery” 12 games into last season. So no fan has any business saying “Sack Emery now cos look at Lampard after 12 games.” You can sack Emery for several things, but as yet, Lampard doing better than him by comparison, isn't one of them.
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"Hailing" Frank is a stretch. It's a form of comparative analysis.
As for Emery, if his objective is to get top four (from Don Raul) and it is increasingly statistically difficult for this to happen (which by the way, wouldn't be a surprise considering where his teams have typically finished in the past), if he continually fails to use the team he has in the best way, if he shows a weakness as a manager in his decision-making... why would you want him to stay? This isn't a call for a panic sacking... the benefit of the time he's been at the club is that we can see what he's like. I'd be inclined to suggest that the 22-game winning streak was the fluke and we are now seeing the real Emery. We have been since the last third of last season.
posted on 14/11/19
I suppose what you can say about Lampard is that he is trying to implement a definite press high style. The thing is that style works fairly well early in the season. But in the second half of the season most of the players are mostly knackered, and you get a huge let down. Klopp doesn't press as much anymore for that reason.
One accurate criticism of Emery is that we can't pinpoint what he is trying to do. We try to start moves from the back like Pep but our tempo is too slow for playing a high possession game and our defence plays too deep for a short passing game.
posted on 14/11/19
Jenius is it just me or did the trouble with playing out from the back begin when Mustafi was dropped? I don't remember him struggling and flustering to play the ball out. Has his issues but basic playing the short ball out safely isn't one of them.
I don't think we should sack him because at this point I think itd be a panic response to a bad start. But I do wonder if I have more patience due to having a more realistic view of the team as a whole. And most importantly of all a greater appreceation than most Arsenal fans on this board. Of just how valuable Aaron Ramsey was to this team. Types of points we're dropping this year are the types he came off the bench to catch last. I simply wasn't expecting to much better than we've gotten. Knowing we were starting the season with no FBs, No decent CB, and no Ramsey, relying on Ozil to save the day.
I genuinely wrote off the first half of the season anyway. IMO the Kroenkes got at least another 100mil in cheques to write before anyone can be talking about sacking the manager. Emery ain't even gotten to use all the players he's been bought yet. Dude even had to give one of them straight back for a year.
posted on 14/11/19
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yes, that the team is in a shocking run of form. Nothing more. Not that we should panic sack the manager.
Like I said, you are giving Lampard praise for achieving what Emery did already. Slating Emery whilst you hail Frank as better than him for accomplishing exactly the same thing he did at the time. Like the way you understated the sheer quality of Frank's youngsters, the stronger core of seniors and his lifetime living in the PL. Maybe it's because you've totally disregarded them due to them not fitting your narrative of events.
No fans were yelling “Sack Emery” 12 games into last season. So no fan has any business saying “Sack Emery now cos look at Lampard after 12 games.” You can sack Emery for several things, but as yet, Lampard doing better than him by comparison, isn't one of them.
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"Hailing" Frank is a stretch. It's a form of comparative analysis.
As for Emery, if his objective is to get top four (from Don Raul) and it is increasingly statistically difficult for this to happen (which by the way, wouldn't be a surprise considering where his teams have typically finished in the past), if he continually fails to use the team he has in the best way, if he shows a weakness as a manager in his decision-making... why would you want him to stay? This isn't a call for a panic sacking... the benefit of the time he's been at the club is that we can see what he's like. I'd be inclined to suggest that the 22-game winning streak was the fluke and we are now seeing the real Emery. We have been since the last third of last season.
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I'd suggest ya loopy if you think any manager can “Fluke” a 22 game unbeaten streak in this league. Fluke would be the same this year with no Ramsey.
posted on 14/11/19
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
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comment by Maul Person (U12977)
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comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
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Yes, that the team is in a shocking run of form. Nothing more. Not that we should panic sack the manager.
Like I said, you are giving Lampard praise for achieving what Emery did already. Slating Emery whilst you hail Frank as better than him for accomplishing exactly the same thing he did at the time. Like the way you understated the sheer quality of Frank's youngsters, the stronger core of seniors and his lifetime living in the PL. Maybe it's because you've totally disregarded them due to them not fitting your narrative of events.
No fans were yelling “Sack Emery” 12 games into last season. So no fan has any business saying “Sack Emery now cos look at Lampard after 12 games.” You can sack Emery for several things, but as yet, Lampard doing better than him by comparison, isn't one of them.
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"Hailing" Frank is a stretch. It's a form of comparative analysis.
As for Emery, if his objective is to get top four (from Don Raul) and it is increasingly statistically difficult for this to happen (which by the way, wouldn't be a surprise considering where his teams have typically finished in the past), if he continually fails to use the team he has in the best way, if he shows a weakness as a manager in his decision-making... why would you want him to stay? This isn't a call for a panic sacking... the benefit of the time he's been at the club is that we can see what he's like. I'd be inclined to suggest that the 22-game winning streak was the fluke and we are now seeing the real Emery. We have been since the last third of last season.
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I'd suggest ya loopy if you think any manager can “Fluke” a 22 game unbeaten streak in this league. Fluke would be the same this year with no Ramsey.
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Then I'm loopy. Because there's no way he's capable of stringing together three straight wins right now let alone another 22.
posted on 14/11/19
Jenius is it just me or did the trouble with playing out from the back begin when Mustafi was dropped?
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The problem started under Wenger when we bought Xhaka and Mustafi. Mustafi was responsible so many errant passes just like Xhaka. Its worse with the new goalkeeping rules. We have been susceptible to high press for years. I give credit to Martinez at Wigan for spotting Wenger's decision of playing passers in CM. It all started to go wrong with Arteta. Then compounded with slow CBs like Mertesacker.
If you are trying to play out from the back you want your CBs and CMs to play close together. Then you can push up as a team with short passing. If you have slow CBs or slow passing CMs then that space gets larger. The opposing teams can then position themselves to intercept in the passing lanes. When they do intercept, your own defence is not set, remember you are pushing your full backs higher in possession so you end up giving the opposition a very danger scenario that leads to conceding more often than not.
posted on 14/11/19
Its not new. Leeds Utd used to press high all the time in our greatest days. But when you have Vieira and Gilberto with Sol and Kolo behind you could destroy that in seconds.
Watch this game: Leeds vs Arsenal at Highbury to see what I mean.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfGKBu5b5Fs
Just look at how many players Leeds push to a high press and how we defeat it.
Sublime.
posted on 14/11/19
Not sure if some people weren't actually watching us during that 22 game streak but we played similarly to how we played during the poor run of results at the end of last season.
It all evened out results wise in the end, we were pretty mediocre the whole time, including during the 22 game run
posted on 14/11/19
MP
His not doing it again immediately this season. Without the exact same tools at his disposal as last season. Doesn't make last season a fluke. It makes it one where his back line was fully fit, fully staffed and mostly familiar. Plus Ramsey to save games that went wrong. I'd argue that Ramsey and Monreal still here Bellerin and Holding fit from start and Mustafi back in for Luis and hey presto, no current shambles and apparent backslide. That's alot of factors.
Enough to pull the rug out from under any manager. And enough that you shouldnt really be that surprised where we're at given we went into the window needing 2 top CBs 2 WB/FBs, a Ramsey replacement, another out and out DM and A winger. But we only bought, a player to replace Ozil not Ramsey. 1 winger, whilst selling the one we had, so we still need 1 winger. CB twice as bad as the one we've dropped and one CB we gave straight back for a year. No DM and only one WB who's as good as broken for the first half of the season. Dude, it's a miracle we're still 6th after leaving the bloke that shower of sh!t to work from/with.
Not exactly an Emery fan. Just think that he kinda got stiffed in the transfer window, among other things. Actually wondering if the Kroenkes or/and Edu already planned for additional players this window coming. Makes sense them not rushing to sack him if they already decided he gets more players in Jan.
posted on 14/11/19
He did not want Ramsey. By the time he realised he did, Ramsey was off. The situation with Kos kicked off at the beginning of summer. Plenty of time to look at replacements. Did they do that? No.
But fine, the club lost Ramsey, Koscielny and Monreal. That does not define your new season.
Who's decision was it to play out the situation with Ozil?
Who's decision was it to play Torreira as an ACM?
Who's decision was it to insist on playing from the back and force them to when it's clear after several attempts that it's not working and it puts the team under pressure?
No-one forced the club to buy Saliba when, for example, Upamecano was available to be bought and actually used by the club this season.
I'm sorry but, as much as there are SOME extenuating circumstances, the truth is that Emery isn't a good coach. As Scruttocks rightly said, the results are one thing but the performances are quite another... and based on those performances, this isn't surprising. Are you seriously telling me that, despite the additions and departures, this team cannot beat Watford? Cannot beat Sheffield United? Can scrape a victory against Burnley? Are you seriously telling me that this team is only good enough to make Vitoria look as good as we did over those two games?
There are factors but the biggest one is the manager. He's just not that good.
posted on 14/11/19
Whose...
Geez.
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