Jokers to the left of me, clowns to the right.
Saw most of it.
Mostly just soundbites that they'd both been rehearsing.
Corbyn had the better retorts but that's not hard when you're debating with a party that has been in power for so long.. any credible opposition leader would be walking it by now.
Overall I am gutted that this is the choice facing our country. Appalling.
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
I really couldn’t vote for either of them. Absolute coqwombles. Or that Lib Dem one. Or Farages mob.
Who’s left?
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 40 seconds ago
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
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I have to disagree
He can’t go and negotiate a deal and then not get behind it. If he doesn’t get behind it then why should the public?
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 3 minutes ago
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
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This is absurd.
A huge, generation defining referendum and his elected MPs would just sit back and say nothing?
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 3 minutes ago
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
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This is absurd.
A huge, generation defining referendum and his elected MPs would just sit back and say nothing?
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As ever the problem is keeping as many voters on board as possible. Appealing to both leave/remain desires always a hard (if not impossible) square to circle.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 3 minutes ago
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is absurd.
A huge, generation defining referendum and his elected MPs would just sit back and say nothing?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As ever the problem is keeping as many voters on board as possible. Appealing to both leave/remain desires always a hard (if not impossible) square to circle.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So then it becomes a lack of honesty.
Like them or not, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems have been upfront about their Brexit policy, so as voters we know where they stand.
Labour's position is farcical and it's not the first time I am wondering if their team have any real grasp on how this line is being received by the public. It's literally laughable to many.
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 40 seconds ago
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
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I have to disagree
He can’t go and negotiate a deal and then not get behind it. If he doesn’t get behind it then why should the public?
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So he gets what he wants (remain)
comment by devilsknight101 (U4670)
posted 14 minutes ago
I really couldn’t vote for either of them. Absolute coqwombles. Or that Lib Dem one. Or Farages mob.
Who’s left?
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Lord bucket head
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 40 seconds ago
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
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I have to disagree
He can’t go and negotiate a deal and then not get behind it. If he doesn’t get behind it then why should the public?
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So he gets what he wants (remain)
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I forgot to mention in the OP, but RDD is not welcome, so feck off
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 3 minutes ago
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is absurd.
A huge, generation defining referendum and his elected MPs would just sit back and say nothing?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As ever the problem is keeping as many voters on board as possible. Appealing to both leave/remain desires always a hard (if not impossible) square to circle.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So then it becomes a lack of honesty.
Like them or not, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems have been upfront about their Brexit policy, so as voters we know where they stand.
Labour's position is farcical and it's not the first time I am wondering if their team have any real grasp on how this line is being received by the public. It's literally laughable to many.
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The problem with the Tories and Lib Dems is that their policy is too skewed to either side. The Tories are more or less the Brexit Party who disregard Remainers. Lib Dems are ardent Remainers who disregard Leavers. They will never bring the country together.
Labour are really the only party who are trying to appeal to both. Provide a credible Leave option since that is 'the will of the people' but also Remain to make sure the public are happy with it.
I get what they are trying to do but its not coming across clearly enough to the electorate.
I won't be voting for either of them.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 3 minutes ago
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is absurd.
A huge, generation defining referendum and his elected MPs would just sit back and say nothing?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As ever the problem is keeping as many voters on board as possible. Appealing to both leave/remain desires always a hard (if not impossible) square to circle.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So then it becomes a lack of honesty.
Like them or not, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems have been upfront about their Brexit policy, so as voters we know where they stand.
Labour's position is farcical and it's not the first time I am wondering if their team have any real grasp on how this line is being received by the public. It's literally laughable to many.
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The Tories have been anything but upfront and rather than policy their campaign has been formed on meaningless soundbites.
Get Brexit done. Australian style point based system etc
Whilst they may have a particular policy, they must know they're impossible to deliver. Johnson will say whatever he feels is appropriate to placate a particular audience and is woefully out of his depth.
That said so are countless others!
_Viva_Vida (U6044)
You have to have a policy one way or the other. You have to stand for something.
You cannot be the governing party and go into a huge, huge referendum but express no desire for the public to vote one way or the other.
It's laughable.
You can't be all things to all people. It's dishonest to try and make out that you can.
What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
But I'm referring to the next steps of Brexit.
Conservatives would pass the deal.
Lib Dems would scrap it.
Labour? Fack knows.
It's making them a laughing stock and they seemingly can't see it.
The biggest issue in this election and they can't even give a view as to what they'd campaign for. Pathetic.
Winston
Its a confirmatory referendum based on the result in 2016.
To me its sensible and grown up governing to present the public with the most credible Leave option, given the majority voted Leave.
Its also perfectly acceptable to say, because the 2016 vote was so tight, then Remain should be an option.
I agree they haven't explained it well and a lot of voters seem to care more about what they would campaign for. How about voters made a decision for themselves and their business rather than what a politician has to say.
_Viva_Vida (U6044)
Sensible and grown up for the majority party to express absolutely no view in the run up to an election?
For our elected MPs to stay quiet?
This isn't a lack of explanation, it's just a joke.
Let me assure you, they WILL campaign for one of the options and they will follow party guidelines to do so.
They just don't want to admit it now because they're being dishonest.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 minutes ago
What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
But I'm referring to the next steps of Brexit.
Conservatives would pass the deal.
Lib Dems would scrap it.
Labour? Fack knows.
It's making them a laughing stock and they seemingly can't see it.
The biggest issue in this election and they can't even give a view as to what they'd campaign for. Pathetic.
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Labour are at least proposing to give the public a say given how much has changed since the EUref. Their deal (most likely an off the shelf Efta/association agreement) or remain.
Which to me appears to be a pragmatic approach. Albeit their promotion of the policy has been atrocious.
As you noted the Conservatives would be happy to pass the WAB (in its current form) but they’re not prepared to complete any assessments or modelling - now or in the future of the economic impacts of the WAB.
The biggest policy of a generation which will impact millions of people for years, and the government aren’t even prepared to undertake the most basic due diligence.
https://twitter.com/hhesterm/status/1196716058171850752?s=19
This follows forecasts that 60% of goods entering NI from GB will be subject to tariffs. This will devastate the NI economy and (as seen of late) create severe tensions/anger throughout the unionist community here.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-50439671
I posted yesterday on the politics thread that it’s hard to find adjectives to describe the sheer incompetence and abject failure of this government to govern.
How anyone could consider actually voting for them is beyond comprehension.
What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
Yes, the approach is perfectly reasonable (leaving aside the nonsense about getting a better deal).
But to not say which way they would campaign is utterly ridiculous.
If Labour become the party of power and responsible for negotiating a new deal then surely they will HAVE TO have view on whether they campaign for Brexit or against it.
Think about it THEY will be the ones negotiating a deal. How can they go in to negotiations if they have no position on whether they want in or out. Surely this position must inform what kind of deal you want and what yo will negotiate for.
How can we trust them to actually understand what is important and in the best interest of the country in a new Brexit deal if their attitude to Brexit is - you decide! We may be the ones to decide but they must have a position on a Brexit deal they want to achieve and support.
Fact is this stance masks 2 issues - 1) they do not want to alienate either side so are not committing either way. This is weak indecisive leadership 2) The position reflects Corbyns character in that he is not decisive and is in inner conflict as a MP who has historically voted on EU issues in a euro-sceptic way
It is simply not possible to go in to negotiations not knowing what you want to achieve. What your red lines are. Backs up their long term stance of not having any idea of what they want to achieve on this issue but pretty much voting against everything that is put forward.
Let me assure you, they WILL campaign for one of the options and they will follow party guidelines to do so.
----------
I highly doubt the likes of Stephen Kinnock/Caroline Flint would campaign in the same way as Emily Thornberry for example.
I suspect Corbyn will remain neutral and then let MPs/Members have a choice in what they want publicly support.
I literally have no idea what Tory MPs would do in such a scenario.
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 21 seconds ago
Let me assure you, they WILL campaign for one of the options and they will follow party guidelines to do so.
----------
I highly doubt the likes of Stephen Kinnock/Caroline Flint would campaign in the same way as Emily Thornberry for example.
I suspect Corbyn will remain neutral and then let MPs/Members have a choice in what they want publicly support.
I literally have no idea what Tory MPs would do in such a scenario.
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Sorry but I think that's naive to say the least.
But that is a side issue.
The point is that Corbyn is the one being asked the question and he is refusing to answer.
He knows exactly what he would want, but as you say, he doesn't want to alienate a large section of voters... which is the dishonest part.
Also worth noting that no political party (remain aside for obvious reasons) have even begun to formulate a trade policy.
Setting out their preference/objectives for a future trading relationship. Trade policy is not determined overnight, and usually takes months of discussions with stakeholders and industry to fully understand their needs etc.
And also looking further afield to ascertain which sectors are most likely to be carved out from a FTA for example, and the impacts this will cause. And what concessions you are willing to make to gain preferential market access etc etc.
To use a football analogy for it, the debate last night was a match between the top 2 before the start of the run-in. The second-placed team (and arguably the home side in this scenario) needed a win to start making up the gap. the leaders needed to hold them off. Logic suggested that Corbyn needed to get out there and score a few while Boris played for a 0-0.
So the main question was: While he'd obviously love a win, could Boris escape with a draw? And the answer generally appears to be that he did. He had a few wobbles and mistakes, opening up his own defence a few times while trying to keep the pressure on his opponent, but nothing really seemed to land. Corbyn's main attack line on the NHS was largely covered off, and most problems Boris had were caused by his own bluster. Probably a 1-1 overall, with Boris conceding a goal on integrity while Corbyn conceded one on Brexit policy.
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posted on 20/11/19
Jokers to the left of me, clowns to the right.
posted on 20/11/19
Saw most of it.
Mostly just soundbites that they'd both been rehearsing.
Corbyn had the better retorts but that's not hard when you're debating with a party that has been in power for so long.. any credible opposition leader would be walking it by now.
Overall I am gutted that this is the choice facing our country. Appalling.
posted on 20/11/19
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
posted on 20/11/19
I really couldn’t vote for either of them. Absolute coqwombles. Or that Lib Dem one. Or Farages mob.
Who’s left?
posted on 20/11/19
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 40 seconds ago
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have to disagree
He can’t go and negotiate a deal and then not get behind it. If he doesn’t get behind it then why should the public?
posted on 20/11/19
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 3 minutes ago
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is absurd.
A huge, generation defining referendum and his elected MPs would just sit back and say nothing?
posted on 20/11/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 3 minutes ago
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is absurd.
A huge, generation defining referendum and his elected MPs would just sit back and say nothing?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As ever the problem is keeping as many voters on board as possible. Appealing to both leave/remain desires always a hard (if not impossible) square to circle.
posted on 20/11/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 3 minutes ago
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is absurd.
A huge, generation defining referendum and his elected MPs would just sit back and say nothing?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As ever the problem is keeping as many voters on board as possible. Appealing to both leave/remain desires always a hard (if not impossible) square to circle.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So then it becomes a lack of honesty.
Like them or not, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems have been upfront about their Brexit policy, so as voters we know where they stand.
Labour's position is farcical and it's not the first time I am wondering if their team have any real grasp on how this line is being received by the public. It's literally laughable to many.
posted on 20/11/19
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 40 seconds ago
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have to disagree
He can’t go and negotiate a deal and then not get behind it. If he doesn’t get behind it then why should the public?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So he gets what he wants (remain)
posted on 20/11/19
comment by devilsknight101 (U4670)
posted 14 minutes ago
I really couldn’t vote for either of them. Absolute coqwombles. Or that Lib Dem one. Or Farages mob.
Who’s left?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord bucket head
posted on 20/11/19
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 40 seconds ago
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have to disagree
He can’t go and negotiate a deal and then not get behind it. If he doesn’t get behind it then why should the public?
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So he gets what he wants (remain)
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I forgot to mention in the OP, but RDD is not welcome, so feck off
posted on 20/11/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 3 minutes ago
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is absurd.
A huge, generation defining referendum and his elected MPs would just sit back and say nothing?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As ever the problem is keeping as many voters on board as possible. Appealing to both leave/remain desires always a hard (if not impossible) square to circle.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So then it becomes a lack of honesty.
Like them or not, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems have been upfront about their Brexit policy, so as voters we know where they stand.
Labour's position is farcical and it's not the first time I am wondering if their team have any real grasp on how this line is being received by the public. It's literally laughable to many.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem with the Tories and Lib Dems is that their policy is too skewed to either side. The Tories are more or less the Brexit Party who disregard Remainers. Lib Dems are ardent Remainers who disregard Leavers. They will never bring the country together.
Labour are really the only party who are trying to appeal to both. Provide a credible Leave option since that is 'the will of the people' but also Remain to make sure the public are happy with it.
I get what they are trying to do but its not coming across clearly enough to the electorate.
I won't be voting for either of them.
posted on 20/11/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 3 minutes ago
Corbyn's position would be neutral, he will give the public the facts about his deal and let the public decide what they want.
He doesn't need to take a side, unfortunately he didn't really make that clear last night.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is absurd.
A huge, generation defining referendum and his elected MPs would just sit back and say nothing?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As ever the problem is keeping as many voters on board as possible. Appealing to both leave/remain desires always a hard (if not impossible) square to circle.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So then it becomes a lack of honesty.
Like them or not, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems have been upfront about their Brexit policy, so as voters we know where they stand.
Labour's position is farcical and it's not the first time I am wondering if their team have any real grasp on how this line is being received by the public. It's literally laughable to many.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Tories have been anything but upfront and rather than policy their campaign has been formed on meaningless soundbites.
Get Brexit done. Australian style point based system etc
Whilst they may have a particular policy, they must know they're impossible to deliver. Johnson will say whatever he feels is appropriate to placate a particular audience and is woefully out of his depth.
That said so are countless others!
posted on 20/11/19
_Viva_Vida (U6044)
You have to have a policy one way or the other. You have to stand for something.
You cannot be the governing party and go into a huge, huge referendum but express no desire for the public to vote one way or the other.
It's laughable.
You can't be all things to all people. It's dishonest to try and make out that you can.
posted on 20/11/19
What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
But I'm referring to the next steps of Brexit.
Conservatives would pass the deal.
Lib Dems would scrap it.
Labour? Fack knows.
It's making them a laughing stock and they seemingly can't see it.
The biggest issue in this election and they can't even give a view as to what they'd campaign for. Pathetic.
posted on 20/11/19
Winston
Its a confirmatory referendum based on the result in 2016.
To me its sensible and grown up governing to present the public with the most credible Leave option, given the majority voted Leave.
Its also perfectly acceptable to say, because the 2016 vote was so tight, then Remain should be an option.
I agree they haven't explained it well and a lot of voters seem to care more about what they would campaign for. How about voters made a decision for themselves and their business rather than what a politician has to say.
posted on 20/11/19
_Viva_Vida (U6044)
Sensible and grown up for the majority party to express absolutely no view in the run up to an election?
For our elected MPs to stay quiet?
This isn't a lack of explanation, it's just a joke.
Let me assure you, they WILL campaign for one of the options and they will follow party guidelines to do so.
They just don't want to admit it now because they're being dishonest.
posted on 20/11/19
run up to a referendum*
posted on 20/11/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 minutes ago
What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
But I'm referring to the next steps of Brexit.
Conservatives would pass the deal.
Lib Dems would scrap it.
Labour? Fack knows.
It's making them a laughing stock and they seemingly can't see it.
The biggest issue in this election and they can't even give a view as to what they'd campaign for. Pathetic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Labour are at least proposing to give the public a say given how much has changed since the EUref. Their deal (most likely an off the shelf Efta/association agreement) or remain.
Which to me appears to be a pragmatic approach. Albeit their promotion of the policy has been atrocious.
As you noted the Conservatives would be happy to pass the WAB (in its current form) but they’re not prepared to complete any assessments or modelling - now or in the future of the economic impacts of the WAB.
The biggest policy of a generation which will impact millions of people for years, and the government aren’t even prepared to undertake the most basic due diligence.
https://twitter.com/hhesterm/status/1196716058171850752?s=19
This follows forecasts that 60% of goods entering NI from GB will be subject to tariffs. This will devastate the NI economy and (as seen of late) create severe tensions/anger throughout the unionist community here.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-50439671
I posted yesterday on the politics thread that it’s hard to find adjectives to describe the sheer incompetence and abject failure of this government to govern.
How anyone could consider actually voting for them is beyond comprehension.
posted on 20/11/19
What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
Yes, the approach is perfectly reasonable (leaving aside the nonsense about getting a better deal).
But to not say which way they would campaign is utterly ridiculous.
posted on 20/11/19
If Labour become the party of power and responsible for negotiating a new deal then surely they will HAVE TO have view on whether they campaign for Brexit or against it.
Think about it THEY will be the ones negotiating a deal. How can they go in to negotiations if they have no position on whether they want in or out. Surely this position must inform what kind of deal you want and what yo will negotiate for.
How can we trust them to actually understand what is important and in the best interest of the country in a new Brexit deal if their attitude to Brexit is - you decide! We may be the ones to decide but they must have a position on a Brexit deal they want to achieve and support.
Fact is this stance masks 2 issues - 1) they do not want to alienate either side so are not committing either way. This is weak indecisive leadership 2) The position reflects Corbyns character in that he is not decisive and is in inner conflict as a MP who has historically voted on EU issues in a euro-sceptic way
It is simply not possible to go in to negotiations not knowing what you want to achieve. What your red lines are. Backs up their long term stance of not having any idea of what they want to achieve on this issue but pretty much voting against everything that is put forward.
posted on 20/11/19
Let me assure you, they WILL campaign for one of the options and they will follow party guidelines to do so.
----------
I highly doubt the likes of Stephen Kinnock/Caroline Flint would campaign in the same way as Emily Thornberry for example.
I suspect Corbyn will remain neutral and then let MPs/Members have a choice in what they want publicly support.
I literally have no idea what Tory MPs would do in such a scenario.
posted on 20/11/19
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 21 seconds ago
Let me assure you, they WILL campaign for one of the options and they will follow party guidelines to do so.
----------
I highly doubt the likes of Stephen Kinnock/Caroline Flint would campaign in the same way as Emily Thornberry for example.
I suspect Corbyn will remain neutral and then let MPs/Members have a choice in what they want publicly support.
I literally have no idea what Tory MPs would do in such a scenario.
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Sorry but I think that's naive to say the least.
But that is a side issue.
The point is that Corbyn is the one being asked the question and he is refusing to answer.
He knows exactly what he would want, but as you say, he doesn't want to alienate a large section of voters... which is the dishonest part.
posted on 20/11/19
Also worth noting that no political party (remain aside for obvious reasons) have even begun to formulate a trade policy.
Setting out their preference/objectives for a future trading relationship. Trade policy is not determined overnight, and usually takes months of discussions with stakeholders and industry to fully understand their needs etc.
And also looking further afield to ascertain which sectors are most likely to be carved out from a FTA for example, and the impacts this will cause. And what concessions you are willing to make to gain preferential market access etc etc.
posted on 20/11/19
To use a football analogy for it, the debate last night was a match between the top 2 before the start of the run-in. The second-placed team (and arguably the home side in this scenario) needed a win to start making up the gap. the leaders needed to hold them off. Logic suggested that Corbyn needed to get out there and score a few while Boris played for a 0-0.
So the main question was: While he'd obviously love a win, could Boris escape with a draw? And the answer generally appears to be that he did. He had a few wobbles and mistakes, opening up his own defence a few times while trying to keep the pressure on his opponent, but nothing really seemed to land. Corbyn's main attack line on the NHS was largely covered off, and most problems Boris had were caused by his own bluster. Probably a 1-1 overall, with Boris conceding a goal on integrity while Corbyn conceded one on Brexit policy.
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