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posted on 22/11/19

A few problems here, most of the services Labour are suggesting we nationalise are already subsidised by your tax money - however it's a halfway system that means private companies (usually with links to politicians) take little of the economic burden yet skim a nice profit - makes no sense.

Most of the most important jobs are underpaid, understaffed and ruined at the moment by Tory policy. You can talk about aspirations but a country falls apart without good people wanting to get into teaching or nursing - both sectors are being decimated by poor policy.

At the moment we have huge problems, they're not going to be fixed with the magic money tree that Johnson keeps pretending he can draw on when he's offering tax cuts and massive spending at the same time. You need higher taxes and as of now it's those earning a higher wage that can afford them rather than people struggling to make ends meet.

posted on 22/11/19

Whilst I don't agree with all Labours policies, it's clear that things aren't working in the UK, nor have they been for far too long now.

Change is needed, and Labour are offering the only credible alternative to the current malaise at the moment. Even with the whole 'B' word.

posted on 22/11/19

I feel similarly.


The public must be stupid, we've been crying out for a radical manifesto and a decent human to run the country. Now we have both.

posted on 22/11/19

comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 51 seconds ago
A few problems here, most of the services Labour are suggesting we nationalise are already subsidised by your tax money - however it's a halfway system that means private companies (usually with links to politicians) take little of the economic burden yet skim a nice profit - makes no sense.

Most of the most important jobs are underpaid, understaffed and ruined at the moment by Tory policy. You can talk about aspirations but a country falls apart without good people wanting to get into teaching or nursing - both sectors are being decimated by poor policy.

At the moment we have huge problems, they're not going to be fixed with the magic money tree that Johnson keeps pretending he can draw on when he's offering tax cuts and massive spending at the same time. You need higher taxes and as of now it's those earning a higher wage that can afford them rather than people struggling to make ends meet.
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Yep, fully agree.

posted on 22/11/19

To those opposed to the 4 day week I completely understand and it is obviously a personal choice and everyone's circumstances are different.

Me personally I would love it and could handle a 20& drop in income. As I am on the higher rate of tax it means you don't actually lose that much in the grand scheme of things.

It may come in the Public sector over here but cant see private companies going for it mores the pity

posted on 22/11/19

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 seconds ago
Making who your vote for a personal slight is absurd and adds nothing to the debate.
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Who has done that?
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Read the posts above that start ‘vote Labour...’ above. People from both sides at it.
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Winston I agree with you here, but to be honest I get endlessly tired of being insulted for having a particular opinion because it may differ to others, so end up resorting to acting in a similar manner.

I've been guilty of this in the past too, especially in the aftermath of the Brexit vote. Tribalism a bloody horrible aspect of our society.

posted on 22/11/19

Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)

Fair comment

posted on 22/11/19

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)

Fair comment
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It's a sad indictment of society where people treat their choice of political party like they do the football team they support.

posted on 22/11/19

I think Corbyn's motives come from a good place, and agree there is too large an inequality gap. However, he fundamentally does not understand economics and if that manifesto were to be carried out we would be in turmoil.

In my opinion he should be running a far left party, not the only realistic alternative to the conservatives. I would happily vote Labour if they had a centre left leader as I would love to see Boris and chums ousted. But unfortunately Corbyn is the reason I won't vote for them.

posted on 22/11/19

I don't know if Labour are the answer, and you can have legitimate reasons for disliking them, but I will never understand how so many people seem to have the mentality of "I've got mine, f@ck everyone else".

posted on 22/11/19

comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you.... (U7905)
posted 1 minute ago
I think Corbyn's motives come from a good place, and agree there is too large an inequality gap. However, he fundamentally does not understand economics and if that manifesto were to be carried out we would be in turmoil.

In my opinion he should be running a far left party, not the only realistic alternative to the conservatives. I would happily vote Labour if they had a centre left leader as I would love to see Boris and chums ousted. But unfortunately Corbyn is the reason I won't vote for them.
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Such a great comment.

posted on 22/11/19

comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 11 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Tomkins (U1116)
posted 4 minutes ago
82 billion pounds extra a year

No armed forces

Terrorism campaigner

Manifesto full of lies
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How can his manifesto be full of lies? Show me some figures that disprove it.
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posted on 22/11/19

comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. LEVY OUT. (U7905)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think Corbyn's motives come from a good place, and agree there is too large an inequality gap. However, he fundamentally does not understand economics and if that manifesto were to be carried out we would be in turmoil.

In my opinion he should be running a far left party, not the only realistic alternative to the conservatives. I would happily vote Labour if they had a centre left leader as I would love to see Boris and chums ousted. But unfortunately Corbyn is the reason I won't vote for them.
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Agree with every word of this - exactly how I feel.

posted on 22/11/19

comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 11 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 7 seconds ago
"- 4 day work week"

I want to like Corbyn but stuff like this makes me think he is either a lunatic or is completely full of shīt.
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Incredibly positive results for companies that have introduced this. I'm not saying it's realistic and it should be a company policy rather than governmental, but it shouldn't be dismissed.
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It may well be positive. In practical terms though it will be completely impossible to implement and he knows it. The NHS for starters simply cannot do it.
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The NHS implements this already way more than most jobs. My wife works in the NHS as do most of her family and a massive % of our friends and I don't think one of them works 5 day weeks.
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They have something called a shift pattern in the NHS.

posted on 22/11/19

comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 8 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Chelsea1 (U22265)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Some other policies:

-100k extra council houses a year
- Eradicate food banks in 3 years

The low income workers should be all over labour.
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The low income workers who are going to have their low pay cut by at least 20%???
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Why will they?
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This 4 day working week, will they be getting 5 days pay for it?
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Your wage just doesn't drop 20%.
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So how does it work?
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Well no, the point is that people work longer hours in the 4 days.

It could potentially work in the private sector although I doubt anyone would be too keen on it unless the rest of the world aligns itself the same way.

But as I said before, it just wont happen in the NHS because people do not stop being sick on non-working days. You would have to implement a proper 7 day service and to do so you would need to adopt 4 days on, 3 days off shift patterns which would stretch staff to their bare bones. This has been trialled already in some parts of the NHS and it hasn't worked.

All in all it is a complete nonsense which ruins his credibility IMO.
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Neither will it work in certain areas of manufacturing who operate a 24 hr day

posted on 22/11/19

comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 11 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Chelsea1 (U22265)
posted 14 minutes ago
Some other policies:

-100k extra council houses a year
- Eradicate food banks in 3 years

The low income workers should be all over labour.
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And people who like me who work 55/60 hours a week to earn more money should be very wary!
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You earn more, you should pay more. No issue with that at all.
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In proportion obviously.

posted on 22/11/19

Out of curiosity, are the posters on here slating Corbyn's policies because they believe they'll ruin the economy also brexit supporters?

posted on 22/11/19

comment by SirLes (U6965)
posted 11 hours ago
The “Workington Man” voting for Boris and his old Etonian chums is like Turkeys voting for Christmas. This lot couldn’t care less about the working classes, but unfortunately this GE is only about Brexit and my guess is the public think Brexit will happen sooner under Boris than under Corbyn.
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This

posted on 22/11/19

comment by Chelsea1 (U22265)
posted 10 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Chelsea1 (U22265)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Chelsea1 (U22265)
posted 14 minutes ago
Some other policies:

-100k extra council houses a year
- Eradicate food banks in 3 years

The low income workers should be all over labour.
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And people who like me who work 55/60 hours a week to earn more money should be very wary!
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Why you working 60 hours? Enjoy life. Life’s too short.
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You need money to enjoy life, I have plans I'd like to put in place so I can live a comfortable life when I retire.

But you're missing the essential point of why someone should put the work in only to be financially penalised for it. May as well not bother and the country can sing for the tax it would have received!
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But you're being taxed a small amount on a larger wage. It's not like you're all of a sudden only earning the equivalent of 40k.
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This. Their proposing small tax increases which will mean the lower paid will have more disposable income which they can spend on luxuries. Win Win.
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Which they should really be saving instead.

posted on 22/11/19

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 minutes ago
Out of curiosity, are the posters on here slating Corbyn's policies because they believe they'll ruin the economy also brexit supporters?
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LOL, God no.

posted on 22/11/19

comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you.... (U7905)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 minutes ago
Out of curiosity, are the posters on here slating Corbyn's policies because they believe they'll ruin the economy also brexit supporters?
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LOL, God no.
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I can't stand the whole idea of Brexit, doesn't mean I want to see the government take ownership of everything.

posted on 22/11/19

comment by TheWhiteWall (U17633)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 11 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 7 seconds ago
"- 4 day work week"

I want to like Corbyn but stuff like this makes me think he is either a lunatic or is completely full of shīt.
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Incredibly positive results for companies that have introduced this. I'm not saying it's realistic and it should be a company policy rather than governmental, but it shouldn't be dismissed.
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It may well be positive. In practical terms though it will be completely impossible to implement and he knows it. The NHS for starters simply cannot do it.
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The NHS implements this already way more than most jobs. My wife works in the NHS as do most of her family and a massive % of our friends and I don't think one of them works 5 day weeks.
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They have something called a shift pattern in the NHS.
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I'm fully aware of that. Has zero bearing on my examples above as none are on shift patterns.

posted on 22/11/19

comment by TheWhiteWall (U17633)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 11 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Chelsea1 (U22265)
posted 14 minutes ago
Some other policies:

-100k extra council houses a year
- Eradicate food banks in 3 years

The low income workers should be all over labour.
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And people who like me who work 55/60 hours a week to earn more money should be very wary!
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You earn more, you should pay more. No issue with that at all.
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In proportion obviously.
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If you earn more, you already pay more because it's percentage based. Never understood why people say 'if you earn more you should pay more' when you already do!

posted on 22/11/19

comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by TheWhiteWall (U17633)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 11 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Chelsea1 (U22265)
posted 14 minutes ago
Some other policies:

-100k extra council houses a year
- Eradicate food banks in 3 years

The low income workers should be all over labour.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

And people who like me who work 55/60 hours a week to earn more money should be very wary!
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You earn more, you should pay more. No issue with that at all.
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In proportion obviously.
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If you earn more, you already pay more because it's percentage based. Never understood why people say 'if you earn more you should pay more' when you already do!
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Well obviously everyone knows that is the case. It is more in response to those that argue against having to pay more in the first place and the feeling that they are penalised for that.

posted on 22/11/19

comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you.... (U7905)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 minutes ago
Out of curiosity, are the posters on here slating Corbyn's policies because they believe they'll ruin the economy also brexit supporters?
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LOL, God no.
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I can't stand the whole idea of Brexit, doesn't mean I want to see the government take ownership of everything.
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Was interested because I'm sure some are yet fail to see the hypocrisy in that

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