Just sack him, then sack the one after, keep sacking managers until one comes in and turns the team into Title contenders in one window.
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 11 minutes ago
The best reason to keep him is that he hasn't had the chance build anywhere close to a complete squad capable of competing for top 4 let alone trophies. Until he does then he can't be judged properly
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You need to prove you are good enough to be given more time. So far Ole has failed at this. 7 wins in 22 is unacceptable for a club this size, but then again, recently this club seems to reward failure which is why we are where we are.
I back the club, not individuals.
Ole isnt the man for the job.
Ultimately it's not our call.
I don't think the 'Ole in' crowd as the OP likes to claim actually exists.
I think there are United fans who respect the situation he and the club are in, and won't jump the gun to start protesting that we should sack our manager - and ultimately will back our man.
The OP isn't one of them.
________
In terms of managerial ability who has more Ole or Moyes?
Well one reason is it’ll make a change from all the constant “Ole out” articles
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by (U22224)
posted 1 minute ago
Michael Carrick is other one who needs to follow Ole straight out the door. Love to know what he brings to the table.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So, you admit you know zero about his role, yet want him sacked?
Makes sense
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where did I admit I know nothing about his role 🤣. Just wanna know what he brings to Manchester United as a football coach? Have any off our midfielders improve while he been at the club. I would say most are going backwards.
The dispute on this forum isn't between 'Ole in' and 'Ole out' people. It's between 'Ole out' people and those who are saying 'hang on, it's more complicated than that, and are we in danger of setting things back further if we make another appointment based on the same structures and shallow decision making that gave us the last four failed appointments?'
I haven't seen any of the vociferous 'Ole out' people engage in the serious points urging caution. Winston is right. Not least about RDD, who has a record of making trouble, shifting his purported views 180° in the cause of effective trolling / attention seeking.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 20 minutes ago
Just sack him, then sack the one after, keep sacking managers until one comes in and turns the team into Title contenders in one window.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesn’t do Real Madrid any harm
comment by (U22224)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 20 minutes ago
Just sack him, then sack the one after, keep sacking managers until one comes in and turns the team into Title contenders in one window.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesn’t do Real Madrid any harm
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1. They invest more than you seem too.
2. They haven't been a mid table level team in living memory.
For me Ole is not the guy to take us to positions we have been before. However he is the guy to do what other managers would not be happy doing. As such I am happy with Ole.
In a nutshell we were a mess before SAF left. His genius was what kept us competitive as we certainly didn't have the players to be winning leagues at the end.
Moyes came in and dismantled the club. Git rid of the wrong players imo. LVG and Jose tried sticky plasters to try and combat the serious decline, think Bastian and magic.
The club needed an overhaul and the top managers are not prepared to spend a season or two tarnishing their names by being uncompetitive and sorting out the mess.
Ole comes in, shifts out the Deadwood. Happy to be ridiculed for the club he loves and let's be honest the opportunity.
The youth will be wiser and a bit more experienced, he will buy in certain types of players. Sell the not so good ones and then a manager will come in who has a stable starting point and can make the odd adjustment to build a career
If we are going to get Moyes again then we should get on with it before Everton jump in.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 minutes ago
The dispute on this forum isn't between 'Ole in' and 'Ole out' people. It's between 'Ole out' people and those who are saying 'hang on, it's more complicated than that, and are we in danger of setting things back further if we make another appointment based on the same structures and shallow decision making that gave us the last four failed appointments?'
I haven't seen any of the vociferous 'Ole out' people engage in the serious points urging caution. Winston is right. Not least about RDD, who has a record of making trouble, shifting his purported views 180° in the cause of effective trolling / attention seeking.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are people that realise Ole isnt the man for the job, and there are those that havent decided yet.
There are no groups or gangs, its just opinion.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 13 seconds ago
Are there any signs of United finding a workable playing style or improving in certain aspects since he took over?
Not a joke, it stills seems as big of a mess as when he took over but happy to be corrected
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's probably more of a mess than it was.
One view of that is that Ole just hasn't got what it takes and there's no sign of any improvement.
The other view is that Ole has had to take the squad apart and is dealing with a work in progress that badly needs investment, and that we'll start to see improvement later this season and early next.
Ultimately it's not our call.
I don't think the 'Ole in' crowd as the OP likes to claim actually exists.
I think there are United fans who respect the situation he and the club are in, and won't jump the gun to start protesting that we should sack our manager - and ultimately will back our man.
The OP isn't one of them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah fair enough. The clearing out which he's done seems sensible but equally the recruiting this summer seemed poor
It does clearly go way beyond the manager though. What the manager can do at the very least is fix the basics and motivate the players he has. Can't speak for United but Emery failed badly at exactly that and was rightly fired. If Ole can't get that part right or at least look like it's only a matter of time then he surely isn't the man
Scruttocks (U19684)
Yes, it's a big concern where things are at the moment - no doubt.
But you look at that starting line up - the midfield in particular - and you aren't surprised.
I appreciate that we can argue that he must take some responsibility for player recruitment, but part of me really wants to see how his style plays out with one or two better central midfielders.
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 3 minutes ago
For me Ole is not the guy to take us to positions we have been before. However he is the guy to do what other managers would not be happy doing. As such I am happy with Ole.
In a nutshell we were a mess before SAF left. His genius was what kept us competitive as we certainly didn't have the players to be winning leagues at the end.
Moyes came in and dismantled the club. Git rid of the wrong players imo. LVG and Jose tried sticky plasters to try and combat the serious decline, think Bastian and magic.
The club needed an overhaul and the top managers are not prepared to spend a season or two tarnishing their names by being uncompetitive and sorting out the mess.
Ole comes in, shifts out the Deadwood. Happy to be ridiculed for the club he loves and let's be honest the opportunity.
The youth will be wiser and a bit more experienced, he will buy in certain types of players. Sell the not so good ones and then a manager will come in who has a stable starting point and can make the odd adjustment to build a career
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair points there but personally i don't think your youth players are very good when you compare them to Chelsea.
I don't watch any of the guys breaking through at United and think potentially a top top player there bar maybe Greenwood but that's more on reputation as such i don't think they will be the answer.
Unfortunately you need to go down the City route, big sums consistently for a few seasons.
the argument for keeping him is as follows
United had a tonne of stability under Fergie
since then you have had woodward in who has turned you into a soulless money making entity and nothing more.
Ole is really the only thing real at unitrd from a footballing perspective, you have a dressing room full of absolute wallys naming a few
Lingaard
Pogba
Martial
Perreria
Ole made some good steps in getting shot of your other wally lukaku he needs to do the same with the above.
Uniteds squad has been broken for a while ole seems to be trying to address this and he needs time to do it. You aint getting close to the big boys for a while and need to accept this as fact . all the money in the world wont save you as alot of clubs can match you now.
The end game if you get id of ole and dont give him a chance is you repeat a cycle of big name manager > spends big money > pogba doesnt like him > manager sacked
rince and repeat
Ole might just turn you into a football club again
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 3 minutes ago
For me Ole is not the guy to take us to positions we have been before. However he is the guy to do what other managers would not be happy doing. As such I am happy with Ole.
In a nutshell we were a mess before SAF left. His genius was what kept us competitive as we certainly didn't have the players to be winning leagues at the end.
Moyes came in and dismantled the club. Git rid of the wrong players imo. LVG and Jose tried sticky plasters to try and combat the serious decline, think Bastian and magic.
The club needed an overhaul and the top managers are not prepared to spend a season or two tarnishing their names by being uncompetitive and sorting out the mess.
Ole comes in, shifts out the Deadwood. Happy to be ridiculed for the club he loves and let's be honest the opportunity.
The youth will be wiser and a bit more experienced, he will buy in certain types of players. Sell the not so good ones and then a manager will come in who has a stable starting point and can make the odd adjustment to build a career
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair points there but personally i don't think your youth players are very good when you compare them to Chelsea.
I don't watch any of the guys breaking through at United and think potentially a top top player there bar maybe Greenwood but that's more on reputation as such i don't think they will be the answer.
Unfortunately you need to go down the City route, big sums consistently for a few seasons.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They may not be any good time will tell. But I do think the Chelsea youth comparison is an unfair one.
The Chelsea youth are far more advanced in terms of football education than Utd ones. Simply by the loans they have been on etc.
Not a criticism by any means here but the Chelsea system buying youngsters, not playing many but loaning then selling has paid dividends with the ban. Think I heard there were over 700 charges and most related to youngsters (could be wrong).
All teams buy youngsters So i don't have an issue with it as such. Just different development
Agreed on all of that but i think fundamentally they are just better players as well
As someone mentioned here this season is a write off. Ole has to get his players this Jan and in summer. By end of season if there are signs that he is going in the right direction, he should stay. We are getting some good play now, but it's only in patches every game. Let's see how this team develops till end of season. Youth, especially Greenwood, Williams are work in progress. Chopping and changing at every bad couple of results will never allow us to progress. I think the board will assess the progress at the end and decide. With 3 or 4 quality additions in midfield and a forward will bring us back in challenging at the top.
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 minutes ago
The dispute on this forum isn't between 'Ole in' and 'Ole out' people. It's between 'Ole out' people and those who are saying 'hang on, it's more complicated than that, and are we in danger of setting things back further if we make another appointment based on the same structures and shallow decision making that gave us the last four failed appointments?'
I haven't seen any of the vociferous 'Ole out' people engage in the serious points urging caution. Winston is right. Not least about RDD, who has a record of making trouble, shifting his purported views 180° in the cause of effective trolling / attention seeking.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are people that realise Ole isnt the man for the job, and there are those that havent decided yet.
There are no groups or gangs, its just opinion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Typically disingenuous
Git thosenundecides if tk keepnOke or.not.
Am would you really be happy letting him sign 3 or 4 players at maybe £200m in the summer only to potentially be sacked next season?
I agree that in his time here he's overseen us becoming poorer than we were when he came in. It really isn't good enough and after all this time when there doesn't seem to be a plan at all it's time to move him on I'm afraid.
We are talking about Woodward here right?
comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 9 minutes ago
I agree that in his time here he's overseen us becoming poorer than we were when he came in. It really isn't good enough and after all this time when there doesn't seem to be a plan at all it's time to move him on I'm afraid.
We are talking about Woodward here right?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 1 minute ago
Git thosenundecides if tk keepnOke or.not.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
I think you may be having a stroke.
Sign in if you want to comment
Ole In
Page 2 of 4
posted on 2/12/19
Just sack him, then sack the one after, keep sacking managers until one comes in and turns the team into Title contenders in one window.
posted on 2/12/19
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 11 minutes ago
The best reason to keep him is that he hasn't had the chance build anywhere close to a complete squad capable of competing for top 4 let alone trophies. Until he does then he can't be judged properly
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You need to prove you are good enough to be given more time. So far Ole has failed at this. 7 wins in 22 is unacceptable for a club this size, but then again, recently this club seems to reward failure which is why we are where we are.
posted on 2/12/19
I back the club, not individuals.
Ole isnt the man for the job.
posted on 2/12/19
Ultimately it's not our call.
I don't think the 'Ole in' crowd as the OP likes to claim actually exists.
I think there are United fans who respect the situation he and the club are in, and won't jump the gun to start protesting that we should sack our manager - and ultimately will back our man.
The OP isn't one of them.
________
posted on 2/12/19
In terms of managerial ability who has more Ole or Moyes?
posted on 2/12/19
Well one reason is it’ll make a change from all the constant “Ole out” articles
posted on 2/12/19
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by (U22224)
posted 1 minute ago
Michael Carrick is other one who needs to follow Ole straight out the door. Love to know what he brings to the table.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So, you admit you know zero about his role, yet want him sacked?
Makes sense
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where did I admit I know nothing about his role 🤣. Just wanna know what he brings to Manchester United as a football coach? Have any off our midfielders improve while he been at the club. I would say most are going backwards.
posted on 2/12/19
The dispute on this forum isn't between 'Ole in' and 'Ole out' people. It's between 'Ole out' people and those who are saying 'hang on, it's more complicated than that, and are we in danger of setting things back further if we make another appointment based on the same structures and shallow decision making that gave us the last four failed appointments?'
I haven't seen any of the vociferous 'Ole out' people engage in the serious points urging caution. Winston is right. Not least about RDD, who has a record of making trouble, shifting his purported views 180° in the cause of effective trolling / attention seeking.
posted on 2/12/19
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 20 minutes ago
Just sack him, then sack the one after, keep sacking managers until one comes in and turns the team into Title contenders in one window.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesn’t do Real Madrid any harm
posted on 2/12/19
comment by (U22224)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 20 minutes ago
Just sack him, then sack the one after, keep sacking managers until one comes in and turns the team into Title contenders in one window.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesn’t do Real Madrid any harm
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1. They invest more than you seem too.
2. They haven't been a mid table level team in living memory.
posted on 2/12/19
For me Ole is not the guy to take us to positions we have been before. However he is the guy to do what other managers would not be happy doing. As such I am happy with Ole.
In a nutshell we were a mess before SAF left. His genius was what kept us competitive as we certainly didn't have the players to be winning leagues at the end.
Moyes came in and dismantled the club. Git rid of the wrong players imo. LVG and Jose tried sticky plasters to try and combat the serious decline, think Bastian and magic.
The club needed an overhaul and the top managers are not prepared to spend a season or two tarnishing their names by being uncompetitive and sorting out the mess.
Ole comes in, shifts out the Deadwood. Happy to be ridiculed for the club he loves and let's be honest the opportunity.
The youth will be wiser and a bit more experienced, he will buy in certain types of players. Sell the not so good ones and then a manager will come in who has a stable starting point and can make the odd adjustment to build a career
posted on 2/12/19
If we are going to get Moyes again then we should get on with it before Everton jump in.
posted on 2/12/19
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 minutes ago
The dispute on this forum isn't between 'Ole in' and 'Ole out' people. It's between 'Ole out' people and those who are saying 'hang on, it's more complicated than that, and are we in danger of setting things back further if we make another appointment based on the same structures and shallow decision making that gave us the last four failed appointments?'
I haven't seen any of the vociferous 'Ole out' people engage in the serious points urging caution. Winston is right. Not least about RDD, who has a record of making trouble, shifting his purported views 180° in the cause of effective trolling / attention seeking.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are people that realise Ole isnt the man for the job, and there are those that havent decided yet.
There are no groups or gangs, its just opinion.
posted on 2/12/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 13 seconds ago
Are there any signs of United finding a workable playing style or improving in certain aspects since he took over?
Not a joke, it stills seems as big of a mess as when he took over but happy to be corrected
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's probably more of a mess than it was.
One view of that is that Ole just hasn't got what it takes and there's no sign of any improvement.
The other view is that Ole has had to take the squad apart and is dealing with a work in progress that badly needs investment, and that we'll start to see improvement later this season and early next.
Ultimately it's not our call.
I don't think the 'Ole in' crowd as the OP likes to claim actually exists.
I think there are United fans who respect the situation he and the club are in, and won't jump the gun to start protesting that we should sack our manager - and ultimately will back our man.
The OP isn't one of them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah fair enough. The clearing out which he's done seems sensible but equally the recruiting this summer seemed poor
It does clearly go way beyond the manager though. What the manager can do at the very least is fix the basics and motivate the players he has. Can't speak for United but Emery failed badly at exactly that and was rightly fired. If Ole can't get that part right or at least look like it's only a matter of time then he surely isn't the man
posted on 2/12/19
Scruttocks (U19684)
Yes, it's a big concern where things are at the moment - no doubt.
But you look at that starting line up - the midfield in particular - and you aren't surprised.
I appreciate that we can argue that he must take some responsibility for player recruitment, but part of me really wants to see how his style plays out with one or two better central midfielders.
posted on 2/12/19
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 3 minutes ago
For me Ole is not the guy to take us to positions we have been before. However he is the guy to do what other managers would not be happy doing. As such I am happy with Ole.
In a nutshell we were a mess before SAF left. His genius was what kept us competitive as we certainly didn't have the players to be winning leagues at the end.
Moyes came in and dismantled the club. Git rid of the wrong players imo. LVG and Jose tried sticky plasters to try and combat the serious decline, think Bastian and magic.
The club needed an overhaul and the top managers are not prepared to spend a season or two tarnishing their names by being uncompetitive and sorting out the mess.
Ole comes in, shifts out the Deadwood. Happy to be ridiculed for the club he loves and let's be honest the opportunity.
The youth will be wiser and a bit more experienced, he will buy in certain types of players. Sell the not so good ones and then a manager will come in who has a stable starting point and can make the odd adjustment to build a career
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair points there but personally i don't think your youth players are very good when you compare them to Chelsea.
I don't watch any of the guys breaking through at United and think potentially a top top player there bar maybe Greenwood but that's more on reputation as such i don't think they will be the answer.
Unfortunately you need to go down the City route, big sums consistently for a few seasons.
posted on 2/12/19
the argument for keeping him is as follows
United had a tonne of stability under Fergie
since then you have had woodward in who has turned you into a soulless money making entity and nothing more.
Ole is really the only thing real at unitrd from a footballing perspective, you have a dressing room full of absolute wallys naming a few
Lingaard
Pogba
Martial
Perreria
Ole made some good steps in getting shot of your other wally lukaku he needs to do the same with the above.
Uniteds squad has been broken for a while ole seems to be trying to address this and he needs time to do it. You aint getting close to the big boys for a while and need to accept this as fact . all the money in the world wont save you as alot of clubs can match you now.
The end game if you get id of ole and dont give him a chance is you repeat a cycle of big name manager > spends big money > pogba doesnt like him > manager sacked
rince and repeat
Ole might just turn you into a football club again
posted on 2/12/19
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 3 minutes ago
For me Ole is not the guy to take us to positions we have been before. However he is the guy to do what other managers would not be happy doing. As such I am happy with Ole.
In a nutshell we were a mess before SAF left. His genius was what kept us competitive as we certainly didn't have the players to be winning leagues at the end.
Moyes came in and dismantled the club. Git rid of the wrong players imo. LVG and Jose tried sticky plasters to try and combat the serious decline, think Bastian and magic.
The club needed an overhaul and the top managers are not prepared to spend a season or two tarnishing their names by being uncompetitive and sorting out the mess.
Ole comes in, shifts out the Deadwood. Happy to be ridiculed for the club he loves and let's be honest the opportunity.
The youth will be wiser and a bit more experienced, he will buy in certain types of players. Sell the not so good ones and then a manager will come in who has a stable starting point and can make the odd adjustment to build a career
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair points there but personally i don't think your youth players are very good when you compare them to Chelsea.
I don't watch any of the guys breaking through at United and think potentially a top top player there bar maybe Greenwood but that's more on reputation as such i don't think they will be the answer.
Unfortunately you need to go down the City route, big sums consistently for a few seasons.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They may not be any good time will tell. But I do think the Chelsea youth comparison is an unfair one.
The Chelsea youth are far more advanced in terms of football education than Utd ones. Simply by the loans they have been on etc.
Not a criticism by any means here but the Chelsea system buying youngsters, not playing many but loaning then selling has paid dividends with the ban. Think I heard there were over 700 charges and most related to youngsters (could be wrong).
All teams buy youngsters So i don't have an issue with it as such. Just different development
posted on 2/12/19
Agreed on all of that but i think fundamentally they are just better players as well
posted on 2/12/19
As someone mentioned here this season is a write off. Ole has to get his players this Jan and in summer. By end of season if there are signs that he is going in the right direction, he should stay. We are getting some good play now, but it's only in patches every game. Let's see how this team develops till end of season. Youth, especially Greenwood, Williams are work in progress. Chopping and changing at every bad couple of results will never allow us to progress. I think the board will assess the progress at the end and decide. With 3 or 4 quality additions in midfield and a forward will bring us back in challenging at the top.
posted on 2/12/19
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 minutes ago
The dispute on this forum isn't between 'Ole in' and 'Ole out' people. It's between 'Ole out' people and those who are saying 'hang on, it's more complicated than that, and are we in danger of setting things back further if we make another appointment based on the same structures and shallow decision making that gave us the last four failed appointments?'
I haven't seen any of the vociferous 'Ole out' people engage in the serious points urging caution. Winston is right. Not least about RDD, who has a record of making trouble, shifting his purported views 180° in the cause of effective trolling / attention seeking.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are people that realise Ole isnt the man for the job, and there are those that havent decided yet.
There are no groups or gangs, its just opinion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Typically disingenuous
posted on 2/12/19
Git thosenundecides if tk keepnOke or.not.
Am would you really be happy letting him sign 3 or 4 players at maybe £200m in the summer only to potentially be sacked next season?
posted on 2/12/19
I agree that in his time here he's overseen us becoming poorer than we were when he came in. It really isn't good enough and after all this time when there doesn't seem to be a plan at all it's time to move him on I'm afraid.
We are talking about Woodward here right?
posted on 2/12/19
comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 9 minutes ago
I agree that in his time here he's overseen us becoming poorer than we were when he came in. It really isn't good enough and after all this time when there doesn't seem to be a plan at all it's time to move him on I'm afraid.
We are talking about Woodward here right?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 2/12/19
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 1 minute ago
Git thosenundecides if tk keepnOke or.not.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
I think you may be having a stroke.
Page 2 of 4