The NHS is for sale.

It has been partly sold since Tony Blair was in power.

But it’s not a negotiation tool, that I can assure you.

comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
It has been partly sold since Tony Blair was in power.

But it’s not a negotiation tool, that I can assure you.
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Yes it is, it’s absolutely on the table, and we are in no position to argue. We have to grab wherever grubby little trade deals as can.

The dregs.

It’s on the table, oh okay....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/02/us-wants-access-to-nhs-in-post-brexit-deal-ambassador-to-uk-says

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 seconds ago
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/02/us-wants-access-to-nhs-in-post-brexit-deal-ambassador-to-uk-says
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Well done for misinterpreting a headline

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-raab-brexit-nhs-privatisation-trump-us-drugs-price-increase-a9230661.html

Wake up you sheep.

They want...

I want to take Cindy Crawford our, but that’s not going to happen either.

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
Wake up you sheep.
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*reads headline in major publication*

*calls others sheep*

Irony.

comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 5 seconds ago
They want...

I want to take Cindy Crawford our, but that’s not going to happen either.
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Sigh.

None so blind.

Hope you can afford the premiums.

$450.00 for an inhaler
$2500.00 to call an ambulance
$10,000 to deliver a baby.

Feeling lucky?

comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 4 minutes ago
So generic medication if the NHS is sold off will become more expensive.

You know generics are made anywhere in the world.... not by US big pharma?
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The NHS being "sold off" is not really an accurate description.

NHS procure drugs and medicines via the NICE procurement programme:

https://www.nice.org.uk/

A UK/US FTA will not prevent the NHS being a free universal service which Labour would have you believe. With greater market access for US branded drugs, and the removal of NICE, the NHS will have to buy branded US drugs instead of much cheaper generic ones. This (aside from agri-foods) is the number one priority for the USTR in their UK FTA objectives.

By way of example insulin costs circa £16.61 in the UK but £215.30 in the US. An increase of 1,300%.

300mg of Epipen costs £52.90 in the UK but £523 in the US. A 1,000% increase.

10mg of Statin costs £0.46 in the UK but £4.50 in the US. A 980% increase.

https://twitter.com/The_TUC/status/1202121307946717186?s=09

Absorbing these price increases will only place additional burdens on the public purse, and the NHS’s ability to deliver an efficient service.
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So let's look at the unrealistic worst case scenario and assume that's how it'll happen going forward.

Hasn't happened for Australia, even less likely to happen here.
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What is this assessment based on?

UKrep have already been in talks with US pharma for two years. Why is this?

And as I asked before if health care procurement is carved out what will the UK offer instead?

Will be charged in Dollars also?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/04/american-nhs-vote-boris-johnson-tories

Reps are negotiating prices but with no idea what deal they will be working under

A rep.....

Don’t quote an article, use a direct source in who/what will be done.

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 4 minutes ago
So generic medication if the NHS is sold off will become more expensive.

You know generics are made anywhere in the world.... not by US big pharma?
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The NHS being "sold off" is not really an accurate description.

NHS procure drugs and medicines via the NICE procurement programme:

https://www.nice.org.uk/

A UK/US FTA will not prevent the NHS being a free universal service which Labour would have you believe. With greater market access for US branded drugs, and the removal of NICE, the NHS will have to buy branded US drugs instead of much cheaper generic ones. This (aside from agri-foods) is the number one priority for the USTR in their UK FTA objectives.

By way of example insulin costs circa £16.61 in the UK but £215.30 in the US. An increase of 1,300%.

300mg of Epipen costs £52.90 in the UK but £523 in the US. A 1,000% increase.

10mg of Statin costs £0.46 in the UK but £4.50 in the US. A 980% increase.

https://twitter.com/The_TUC/status/1202121307946717186?s=09

Absorbing these price increases will only place additional burdens on the public purse, and the NHS’s ability to deliver an efficient service.
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So let's look at the unrealistic worst case scenario and assume that's how it'll happen going forward.

Hasn't happened for Australia, even less likely to happen here.
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What is this assessment based on?

UKrep have already been in talks with US pharma for two years. Why is this?

And as I asked before if health care procurement is carved out what will the UK offer instead?
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Australia has recently signed an FTA with the US. They also have the PBS which is their nationwide medicine buying scheme so have the same monopoly that we do in the UK, working to drastically drive down prices.

Americans are naturally pretty peeved with this because due to countries like us and Australia driving down prices, the manufacturer has to increase prices in the US to cover costs. Hence Trump's comment about Americans being ripped off, which is true.

Just because the US want this as part of a trade deal (and all they are asking for is equal, not preferential, market access) does not mean we will offer it. Why on earth would any governing party sanction that? Political suicide and create a financial black hole.

But no, continue peddling the myth by all means.

Sizzle

The NHS is not “for sale”

Please see this from the healthcare charity the Nuffield Trust:

“There is a danger that in our search for hidden dangers to the NHS, we are missing the one that could hardly be more obvious. Trump and his government have repeatedly complained that the USA pays too much for medicines in part because European countries pay too little.

US Health Secretary Alex Azar was blunt about the suggested solution: “we pay less, they pay more”.

The American pharmaceutical industry agrees. A submission to trade negotiators fulminated against the UK’s “long-standing market access barriers such as rigid health technology assessments, government price controls, insufficient health care budgets, and increasingly punitive and proactive national procurement initiatives.”

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-item/could-the-nhs-be-the-price-of-a-us-trade-deal#locked-in-to-contracting-out

comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 4 minutes ago
So generic medication if the NHS is sold off will become more expensive.

You know generics are made anywhere in the world.... not by US big pharma?
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The NHS being "sold off" is not really an accurate description.

NHS procure drugs and medicines via the NICE procurement programme:

https://www.nice.org.uk/

A UK/US FTA will not prevent the NHS being a free universal service which Labour would have you believe. With greater market access for US branded drugs, and the removal of NICE, the NHS will have to buy branded US drugs instead of much cheaper generic ones. This (aside from agri-foods) is the number one priority for the USTR in their UK FTA objectives.

By way of example insulin costs circa £16.61 in the UK but £215.30 in the US. An increase of 1,300%.

300mg of Epipen costs £52.90 in the UK but £523 in the US. A 1,000% increase.

10mg of Statin costs £0.46 in the UK but £4.50 in the US. A 980% increase.

https://twitter.com/The_TUC/status/1202121307946717186?s=09

Absorbing these price increases will only place additional burdens on the public purse, and the NHS’s ability to deliver an efficient service.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So let's look at the unrealistic worst case scenario and assume that's how it'll happen going forward.

Hasn't happened for Australia, even less likely to happen here.
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What is this assessment based on?

UKrep have already been in talks with US pharma for two years. Why is this?

And as I asked before if health care procurement is carved out what will the UK offer instead?
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Australia has recently signed an FTA with the US. They also have the PBS which is their nationwide medicine buying scheme so have the same monopoly that we do in the UK, working to drastically drive down prices.

Americans are naturally pretty peeved with this because due to countries like us and Australia driving down prices, the manufacturer has to increase prices in the US to cover costs. Hence Trump's comment about Americans being ripped off, which is true.

Just because the US want this as part of a trade deal (and all they are asking for is equal, not preferential, market access) does not mean we will offer it. Why on earth would any governing party sanction that? Political suicide and create a financial black hole.

But no, continue peddling the myth by all means.
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You clearly didn't read the article I posted (think three times now) on the Aussie US FTA and their issues with US procurement.

You accepted it's the established USTR policy but somehow old Blighty is immune to US pharma leverage because.....

Why buy insulin from a US supplier....why not the UKs biggest supplier.


Novo Nordisk, a Danish company.

ou clearly didn't read the article I posted (think three times now) on the Aussie US FTA and their issues with US procurement.

You accepted it's the established USTR policy but somehow old Blighty is immune to US pharma leverage because.....
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I read plenty telling me that Australia has some of the cheapest drugs on the planet, 9 years after an FTA with the US.

So these skyrocketing drug prices that we are being told about didn't happen...

But that’s Australia, not a struggling economy like say the UK.

Sorry, those that won’t hear must feel.

Just pray nobody in your family gets sick post Brexit.

I know I’m sick of explaining this to f*cking imbeciles.

comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
But that’s Australia, not a struggling economy like say the UK.
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We have far more leverage in any trade deal with the US than Australia does. You forget that we are enormous global players in many areas, Australia aren't at all.

Tell me, how will this new system work.....