After having his biggest domestic rival take his best player season on season. He got Dortmund up there and beating Bayern.
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Dortmund had been better that Bayern before. They will again.
Dortmund had only won the Bundesliga three times before Klopp went there. He won two, and they haven’t won it since.
He isn’t just any other manager. He’s clearly very special. Which was the main point.
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 20 minutes ago
Just never know what couple of players you sign that turn into world beaters or what manager that comes along that fits perfectly with your club.
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Problem is that the current ownership hasn’t given us any hope that they’ll hit the jackpot with these things.
Obviously that’s not indicative of a trend that cannot change, they could stumble upon a winning formula through luck rather than judgement, but it really doesn’t bode well for the future. Especially when you look at how well run Liverpool and City are.
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To be fair nor did we really.
We had sterling come through the academy, we got a couple of good signings in Sturridge and Coutinho but for the most part it was money wasted. You only have to look at how few are still here from Rodgers era.
Things can change, sometimes it just needs the right man at the helm. I would also say being patient in the transfer market is so key. Klopp got a lot of shiiiiiit for not signing a striker and a defensive mid and a left back and a right back And a keeper and a centre half all in the first 2 windows. But he wanted to wait for the right players rather than just buy for the sake of it.
Now we have the best keeper in the world, best fullbacks (or close to), best centre back, one of the better defensive mids around and the best striker for our system we could have (who he incidentally didn’t sign and just converted to a striker).
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Sterling through the academy. Didnt you pinch him from QPR ?
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 37 minutes ago
Hence our best buys were usually domestic signings scouted by Fergie himself.
.......
Do you want me to make you look silly.
Cantona, Ronaldo, Kanchelskis, Vidic, Evra, Schmeichel, RVN for starters.
And SAF didn’t scout the domestic buys either.
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Cantona was a domestic signing.
comment by The Angry Badger (U22303)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 20 minutes ago
Just never know what couple of players you sign that turn into world beaters or what manager that comes along that fits perfectly with your club.
———
Problem is that the current ownership hasn’t given us any hope that they’ll hit the jackpot with these things.
Obviously that’s not indicative of a trend that cannot change, they could stumble upon a winning formula through luck rather than judgement, but it really doesn’t bode well for the future. Especially when you look at how well run Liverpool and City are.
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To be fair nor did we really.
We had sterling come through the academy, we got a couple of good signings in Sturridge and Coutinho but for the most part it was money wasted. You only have to look at how few are still here from Rodgers era.
Things can change, sometimes it just needs the right man at the helm. I would also say being patient in the transfer market is so key. Klopp got a lot of shiiiiiit for not signing a striker and a defensive mid and a left back and a right back And a keeper and a centre half all in the first 2 windows. But he wanted to wait for the right players rather than just buy for the sake of it.
Now we have the best keeper in the world, best fullbacks (or close to), best centre back, one of the better defensive mids around and the best striker for our system we could have (who he incidentally didn’t sign and just converted to a striker).
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Sterling through the academy. Didnt you pinch him from QPR ?
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He was 14ish so still came into and through our academy!
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
You think it will never happen but a lot can change in football. Who’s to say that rich investors don’t pump money into the likes of Everton, Villa, Wolves etc to Manchester City levels.
When Liverpool won the CL in 2005, we’d gone 15 years without the title and now we’re approaching 30. It goes in the blink of an eye.
Look at Arsenal. They’re now at 16 seasons and look at least 2-3 seasons away from challenging again.
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Arsenal have always looked 2-3 years away from challenging again for the last 16 years. It's a perpetual cycle they've not been able to break. If United aren't careful that could well happen to them. The stars have aligned for us and the same will happen for United again I'm sure. But how long before that turn around happens? Who knows, this is all supposition in any event.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
Difference is your owners were new to the league. Ours have been in place for 15 years. Fair to say your owners had teething problems for a little while, whereas we’ve gone through years of incompetence.
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Fair point.
Still think a better manager and a more experienced sporting director and you’d be pretty much back.
But the club don’t want a sporting director. And they’ve regularly made bad managerial appointments.
When the ownership keeps making bad footballing decisions, it’s hard to see them bucking that trend. They are terrible owners.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
That few are capable of what he did at Dortmund.
There are plenty of managers who come in and build winning teams.
Klopp left Dortmund in a bit of a mess by the way.
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You mean 7th with the supercup, and runners up in the German pokal cup?
With a squad of players like Subotic, Kagawa, gundogan, reus, Aubameyang, hummels. They weren’t in “a mess”. They had a really poor first half of the season where they were languishing in relegation trouble, he could have walked then. He didn’t and stayed and pushed them back up into the Europa league and left them in a position to immediately bounce back, which they did with Tuchel.
Sorry but you’re just very wrong on that one VC.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
But the club don’t want a sporting director. And they’ve regularly made bad managerial appointments.
When the ownership keeps making bad footballing decisions, it’s hard to see them bucking that trend. They are terrible owners.
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Yeah I know Daz.
I just mean that with the pull you have, and the money you have it’s actually not a terribly big fix in many ways. 2 appointments and you’d be back. Whether the owners would be willing to do that is another matter.
Arsenal on the other hand is much more difficult. They’re a bit like us pre Klopp. Not an unlimited amount of funds and a very weak squad with poor structure within the club. It’s going to be a long process for them to get back imo
Back winning the league, I’m not so sure. Not in the next few years at least. But like I said, I don’t have any faith in the club making the right appointments anyway. So it’s moot whether they’re the only things we need to do - and I don’t agree with that as there’s a lot more that needs to be done - because we won’t do them anyway.
United failing to win the league this decade under current ownership is more likely to happen than us winning one. That’s what a mess we are. Seven years of evidence for this.
comment by comic book guy (U17816)
posted 5 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by CTQ_Origi - World Super European CHAMPI6NS (U22141)
posted 3 minutes ago
Of course not.
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One thing for sure we won't spend 30 years chasing a league title like liverpool
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Why not?
Your last drought lasted 26 years
And from what a lot of people can see, your club is currently rotten from the top downwards
This has been a good read..... Apart from VC, boy is he an angry one
Rotten from the top down. Talk about drama Queens.
Yes the Glazers have taken a lot of money out of the club, but money is not something we need to be worried about.
Woodward is the top man at the club and is therefore the focus of the fans frustrations, but none of us really know what goes on at the club and make assumptions from snippets of information.
The right manager and 3 or 4 quality signings and we are back in the title race and all the other worries fade away.
I think one thing that's very different now to the 30 years Liverpool waited is its nigh on impossible for an English team to dominate.
no one team can dominate the transfer market, which means its hard to scoop up all the best talent. for years United had their pick of the best English talent which just further solidified their hold on the English league.
these days finding a team that can win it back to back let alone 4 out of 5 years etc is just going to be harder.
with owners the way they are this means more managerial changes and thus means you will have a wider variety of winners or at least more variety in which of the 4 or 5 teams who can, will.
Forget 10 years .. who knows about next 2 years. Last year City was the greatest team in the world. Now they are fighting for second in the league. IMO there won't be single team dominating now for a long stretch. A top manager with a couple of right signings can bring a team to top. Or a top manager or player leaving a club can drop them out of the top six.
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
That few are capable of what he did at Dortmund.
There are plenty of managers who come in and build winning teams.
Klopp left Dortmund in a bit of a mess by the way.
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You mean 7th with the supercup, and runners up in the German pokal cup?
With a squad of players like Subotic, Kagawa, gundogan, reus, Aubameyang, hummels. They weren’t in “a mess”. They had a really poor first half of the season where they were languishing in relegation trouble, he could have walked then. He didn’t and stayed and pushed them back up into the Europa league and left them in a position to immediately bounce back, which they did with Tuchel.
Sorry but you’re just very wrong on that one VC.
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that's a little wrong too riddles but I expect the rosy tinted glasses towards your manager.
Kagawa was actually sold the summer before that season.
Klopps biggest issue at Dortmund is still his biggest issue now. No plan B.
the season before they blew teams off the park but suddenly the opposition wised up, they sat back gave them the ball and realized his tactics struggle to break anyone down without moments of luck/ individual brilliant - a bit like how Jose has exposed him before.
they also realized dortmund playing with a high line and using Hummers was a major weak link, so teams countered at pace targeting humbles and it worked.
second half of the season, teams thought they were a wounded animal there for the taking so started trying to dominate them which played back in to Klopps tactics' favor.
he also had numerous bad dips into the transfer market and left them horribly short in DM and Full back positions, which is pretty key to his whole philosophy as we see today. so clearly he learned from that mistake to the benefit of Liverpool.
There's a big difference between United and other sides that were dominant then fell away and that is money. The game has evolved and because of that United will be capable of turning it around within a few seasons - they're that financially strong. (Even with the disgusting owners leaching)
Obviously over a long term it's possible for things to truly get away from them but we're a long way off that stage.
I do think the OGS era is bizarre one though, he may even be suited to your much argued DOF role but not head coach. He just doesn't get it right on the pitch enough, it's repeated mistakes and blind spots.
Another big difference though is that owners don't necesserily require success, they only care about money and for those near the top, CL football seems to be the only real requirement, throphies are a bonus.
The money should be a big help for us to get back to the top but if we keep on making the wrong decisions which we've been doing for the past 7 years then we won't be going anywhere.
“Klopps biggest issue at Dortmund is still his biggest issue now. No plan B.”
Yeah we sure do struggle to find a way to win these days don’t we? Wish we had that plan b
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 28 minutes ago
Another big difference though is that owners don't necesserily require success, they only care about money and for those near the top, CL football seems to be the only real requirement, throphies are a bonus.
The money should be a big help for us to get back to the top but if we keep on making the wrong decisions which we've been doing for the past 7 years then we won't be going anywhere.
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Nobody can question how much we have spent on transfers under the Glazers, surely?
comment by The Angry Badger (U22303)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 28 minutes ago
Another big difference though is that owners don't necesserily require success, they only care about money and for those near the top, CL football seems to be the only real requirement, throphies are a bonus.
The money should be a big help for us to get back to the top but if we keep on making the wrong decisions which we've been doing for the past 7 years then we won't be going anywhere.
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Nobody can question how much we have spent on transfers under the Glazers, surely?
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Just because you've spent a lot doesn't mean you can't question it. United have a lot more, at the moment a lot of it is being pissshed away due to the dodgy way the Glazers bought the club
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 51 minutes ago
“Klopps biggest issue at Dortmund is still his biggest issue now. No plan B.”
Yeah we sure do struggle to find a way to win these days don’t we? Wish we had that plan b
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well yes you have been struggling to win a lot actually.
you're still getting that last minute winner or equalizer but hardly winning comfortably are you....
brighton, villa, Watford, the 2 games in that tournament, palace, Genk, Spurs, United
but good on you to ignore the point in my post and get incorrectly hung up on that.
comment by (U22183)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 51 minutes ago
“Klopps biggest issue at Dortmund is still his biggest issue now. No plan B.”
Yeah we sure do struggle to find a way to win these days don’t we? Wish we had that plan b
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well yes you have been struggling to win a lot actually.
you're still getting that last minute winner or equalizer but hardly winning comfortably are you....
brighton, villa, Watford, the 2 games in that tournament, palace, Genk, Spurs, United
but good on you to ignore the point in my post and get incorrectly hung up on that.
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Those sweaty wins were framed as the sign of champions when United were good
comment by (U22183)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 51 minutes ago
“Klopps biggest issue at Dortmund is still his biggest issue now. No plan B.”
Yeah we sure do struggle to find a way to win these days don’t we? Wish we had that plan b
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well yes you have been struggling to win a lot actually.
you're still getting that last minute winner or equalizer but hardly winning comfortably are you....
brighton, villa, Watford, the 2 games in that tournament, palace, Genk, Spurs, United
but good on you to ignore the point in my post and get incorrectly hung up on that.
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But we clearly do have a plan b, we’re winning when we aren’t playing well. Surely plan a is winning when things are going well and plan b is winning when teams set up to negate you?
And i ignored the rest because Klopp didn’t leave them in a mess, that’s just a lie. Hence why they came second the following season. If they were in a mess that wouldn’t have happened.
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posted on 24/12/19
After having his biggest domestic rival take his best player season on season. He got Dortmund up there and beating Bayern.
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Dortmund had been better that Bayern before. They will again.
posted on 24/12/19
Dortmund had only won the Bundesliga three times before Klopp went there. He won two, and they haven’t won it since.
He isn’t just any other manager. He’s clearly very special. Which was the main point.
posted on 24/12/19
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 20 minutes ago
Just never know what couple of players you sign that turn into world beaters or what manager that comes along that fits perfectly with your club.
———
Problem is that the current ownership hasn’t given us any hope that they’ll hit the jackpot with these things.
Obviously that’s not indicative of a trend that cannot change, they could stumble upon a winning formula through luck rather than judgement, but it really doesn’t bode well for the future. Especially when you look at how well run Liverpool and City are.
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To be fair nor did we really.
We had sterling come through the academy, we got a couple of good signings in Sturridge and Coutinho but for the most part it was money wasted. You only have to look at how few are still here from Rodgers era.
Things can change, sometimes it just needs the right man at the helm. I would also say being patient in the transfer market is so key. Klopp got a lot of shiiiiiit for not signing a striker and a defensive mid and a left back and a right back And a keeper and a centre half all in the first 2 windows. But he wanted to wait for the right players rather than just buy for the sake of it.
Now we have the best keeper in the world, best fullbacks (or close to), best centre back, one of the better defensive mids around and the best striker for our system we could have (who he incidentally didn’t sign and just converted to a striker).
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Sterling through the academy. Didnt you pinch him from QPR ?
posted on 24/12/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 37 minutes ago
Hence our best buys were usually domestic signings scouted by Fergie himself.
.......
Do you want me to make you look silly.
Cantona, Ronaldo, Kanchelskis, Vidic, Evra, Schmeichel, RVN for starters.
And SAF didn’t scout the domestic buys either.
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Cantona was a domestic signing.
posted on 24/12/19
comment by The Angry Badger (U22303)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 20 minutes ago
Just never know what couple of players you sign that turn into world beaters or what manager that comes along that fits perfectly with your club.
———
Problem is that the current ownership hasn’t given us any hope that they’ll hit the jackpot with these things.
Obviously that’s not indicative of a trend that cannot change, they could stumble upon a winning formula through luck rather than judgement, but it really doesn’t bode well for the future. Especially when you look at how well run Liverpool and City are.
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To be fair nor did we really.
We had sterling come through the academy, we got a couple of good signings in Sturridge and Coutinho but for the most part it was money wasted. You only have to look at how few are still here from Rodgers era.
Things can change, sometimes it just needs the right man at the helm. I would also say being patient in the transfer market is so key. Klopp got a lot of shiiiiiit for not signing a striker and a defensive mid and a left back and a right back And a keeper and a centre half all in the first 2 windows. But he wanted to wait for the right players rather than just buy for the sake of it.
Now we have the best keeper in the world, best fullbacks (or close to), best centre back, one of the better defensive mids around and the best striker for our system we could have (who he incidentally didn’t sign and just converted to a striker).
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Sterling through the academy. Didnt you pinch him from QPR ?
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He was 14ish so still came into and through our academy!
posted on 24/12/19
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
You think it will never happen but a lot can change in football. Who’s to say that rich investors don’t pump money into the likes of Everton, Villa, Wolves etc to Manchester City levels.
When Liverpool won the CL in 2005, we’d gone 15 years without the title and now we’re approaching 30. It goes in the blink of an eye.
Look at Arsenal. They’re now at 16 seasons and look at least 2-3 seasons away from challenging again.
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Arsenal have always looked 2-3 years away from challenging again for the last 16 years. It's a perpetual cycle they've not been able to break. If United aren't careful that could well happen to them. The stars have aligned for us and the same will happen for United again I'm sure. But how long before that turn around happens? Who knows, this is all supposition in any event.
posted on 24/12/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
Difference is your owners were new to the league. Ours have been in place for 15 years. Fair to say your owners had teething problems for a little while, whereas we’ve gone through years of incompetence.
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Fair point.
Still think a better manager and a more experienced sporting director and you’d be pretty much back.
posted on 24/12/19
But the club don’t want a sporting director. And they’ve regularly made bad managerial appointments.
When the ownership keeps making bad footballing decisions, it’s hard to see them bucking that trend. They are terrible owners.
posted on 24/12/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
That few are capable of what he did at Dortmund.
There are plenty of managers who come in and build winning teams.
Klopp left Dortmund in a bit of a mess by the way.
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You mean 7th with the supercup, and runners up in the German pokal cup?
With a squad of players like Subotic, Kagawa, gundogan, reus, Aubameyang, hummels. They weren’t in “a mess”. They had a really poor first half of the season where they were languishing in relegation trouble, he could have walked then. He didn’t and stayed and pushed them back up into the Europa league and left them in a position to immediately bounce back, which they did with Tuchel.
Sorry but you’re just very wrong on that one VC.
posted on 24/12/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
But the club don’t want a sporting director. And they’ve regularly made bad managerial appointments.
When the ownership keeps making bad footballing decisions, it’s hard to see them bucking that trend. They are terrible owners.
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Yeah I know Daz.
I just mean that with the pull you have, and the money you have it’s actually not a terribly big fix in many ways. 2 appointments and you’d be back. Whether the owners would be willing to do that is another matter.
Arsenal on the other hand is much more difficult. They’re a bit like us pre Klopp. Not an unlimited amount of funds and a very weak squad with poor structure within the club. It’s going to be a long process for them to get back imo
posted on 24/12/19
Back winning the league, I’m not so sure. Not in the next few years at least. But like I said, I don’t have any faith in the club making the right appointments anyway. So it’s moot whether they’re the only things we need to do - and I don’t agree with that as there’s a lot more that needs to be done - because we won’t do them anyway.
United failing to win the league this decade under current ownership is more likely to happen than us winning one. That’s what a mess we are. Seven years of evidence for this.
posted on 24/12/19
comment by comic book guy (U17816)
posted 5 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by CTQ_Origi - World Super European CHAMPI6NS (U22141)
posted 3 minutes ago
Of course not.
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One thing for sure we won't spend 30 years chasing a league title like liverpool
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Why not?
Your last drought lasted 26 years
And from what a lot of people can see, your club is currently rotten from the top downwards
posted on 24/12/19
This has been a good read..... Apart from VC, boy is he an angry one
posted on 24/12/19
Rotten from the top down. Talk about drama Queens.
Yes the Glazers have taken a lot of money out of the club, but money is not something we need to be worried about.
Woodward is the top man at the club and is therefore the focus of the fans frustrations, but none of us really know what goes on at the club and make assumptions from snippets of information.
The right manager and 3 or 4 quality signings and we are back in the title race and all the other worries fade away.
posted on 24/12/19
I think one thing that's very different now to the 30 years Liverpool waited is its nigh on impossible for an English team to dominate.
no one team can dominate the transfer market, which means its hard to scoop up all the best talent. for years United had their pick of the best English talent which just further solidified their hold on the English league.
these days finding a team that can win it back to back let alone 4 out of 5 years etc is just going to be harder.
with owners the way they are this means more managerial changes and thus means you will have a wider variety of winners or at least more variety in which of the 4 or 5 teams who can, will.
posted on 24/12/19
Forget 10 years .. who knows about next 2 years. Last year City was the greatest team in the world. Now they are fighting for second in the league. IMO there won't be single team dominating now for a long stretch. A top manager with a couple of right signings can bring a team to top. Or a top manager or player leaving a club can drop them out of the top six.
posted on 24/12/19
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
That few are capable of what he did at Dortmund.
There are plenty of managers who come in and build winning teams.
Klopp left Dortmund in a bit of a mess by the way.
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You mean 7th with the supercup, and runners up in the German pokal cup?
With a squad of players like Subotic, Kagawa, gundogan, reus, Aubameyang, hummels. They weren’t in “a mess”. They had a really poor first half of the season where they were languishing in relegation trouble, he could have walked then. He didn’t and stayed and pushed them back up into the Europa league and left them in a position to immediately bounce back, which they did with Tuchel.
Sorry but you’re just very wrong on that one VC.
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that's a little wrong too riddles but I expect the rosy tinted glasses towards your manager.
Kagawa was actually sold the summer before that season.
Klopps biggest issue at Dortmund is still his biggest issue now. No plan B.
the season before they blew teams off the park but suddenly the opposition wised up, they sat back gave them the ball and realized his tactics struggle to break anyone down without moments of luck/ individual brilliant - a bit like how Jose has exposed him before.
they also realized dortmund playing with a high line and using Hummers was a major weak link, so teams countered at pace targeting humbles and it worked.
second half of the season, teams thought they were a wounded animal there for the taking so started trying to dominate them which played back in to Klopps tactics' favor.
he also had numerous bad dips into the transfer market and left them horribly short in DM and Full back positions, which is pretty key to his whole philosophy as we see today. so clearly he learned from that mistake to the benefit of Liverpool.
posted on 24/12/19
There's a big difference between United and other sides that were dominant then fell away and that is money. The game has evolved and because of that United will be capable of turning it around within a few seasons - they're that financially strong. (Even with the disgusting owners leaching)
Obviously over a long term it's possible for things to truly get away from them but we're a long way off that stage.
I do think the OGS era is bizarre one though, he may even be suited to your much argued DOF role but not head coach. He just doesn't get it right on the pitch enough, it's repeated mistakes and blind spots.
posted on 24/12/19
Another big difference though is that owners don't necesserily require success, they only care about money and for those near the top, CL football seems to be the only real requirement, throphies are a bonus.
The money should be a big help for us to get back to the top but if we keep on making the wrong decisions which we've been doing for the past 7 years then we won't be going anywhere.
posted on 24/12/19
“Klopps biggest issue at Dortmund is still his biggest issue now. No plan B.”
Yeah we sure do struggle to find a way to win these days don’t we? Wish we had that plan b
posted on 25/12/19
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 28 minutes ago
Another big difference though is that owners don't necesserily require success, they only care about money and for those near the top, CL football seems to be the only real requirement, throphies are a bonus.
The money should be a big help for us to get back to the top but if we keep on making the wrong decisions which we've been doing for the past 7 years then we won't be going anywhere.
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Nobody can question how much we have spent on transfers under the Glazers, surely?
posted on 25/12/19
comment by The Angry Badger (U22303)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 28 minutes ago
Another big difference though is that owners don't necesserily require success, they only care about money and for those near the top, CL football seems to be the only real requirement, throphies are a bonus.
The money should be a big help for us to get back to the top but if we keep on making the wrong decisions which we've been doing for the past 7 years then we won't be going anywhere.
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Nobody can question how much we have spent on transfers under the Glazers, surely?
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Just because you've spent a lot doesn't mean you can't question it. United have a lot more, at the moment a lot of it is being pissshed away due to the dodgy way the Glazers bought the club
posted on 25/12/19
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 51 minutes ago
“Klopps biggest issue at Dortmund is still his biggest issue now. No plan B.”
Yeah we sure do struggle to find a way to win these days don’t we? Wish we had that plan b
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well yes you have been struggling to win a lot actually.
you're still getting that last minute winner or equalizer but hardly winning comfortably are you....
brighton, villa, Watford, the 2 games in that tournament, palace, Genk, Spurs, United
but good on you to ignore the point in my post and get incorrectly hung up on that.
posted on 25/12/19
comment by (U22183)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 51 minutes ago
“Klopps biggest issue at Dortmund is still his biggest issue now. No plan B.”
Yeah we sure do struggle to find a way to win these days don’t we? Wish we had that plan b
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well yes you have been struggling to win a lot actually.
you're still getting that last minute winner or equalizer but hardly winning comfortably are you....
brighton, villa, Watford, the 2 games in that tournament, palace, Genk, Spurs, United
but good on you to ignore the point in my post and get incorrectly hung up on that.
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Those sweaty wins were framed as the sign of champions when United were good
posted on 25/12/19
comment by (U22183)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 51 minutes ago
“Klopps biggest issue at Dortmund is still his biggest issue now. No plan B.”
Yeah we sure do struggle to find a way to win these days don’t we? Wish we had that plan b
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well yes you have been struggling to win a lot actually.
you're still getting that last minute winner or equalizer but hardly winning comfortably are you....
brighton, villa, Watford, the 2 games in that tournament, palace, Genk, Spurs, United
but good on you to ignore the point in my post and get incorrectly hung up on that.
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But we clearly do have a plan b, we’re winning when we aren’t playing well. Surely plan a is winning when things are going well and plan b is winning when teams set up to negate you?
And i ignored the rest because Klopp didn’t leave them in a mess, that’s just a lie. Hence why they came second the following season. If they were in a mess that wouldn’t have happened.
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