This time last season, we lost at home to Hull, and would go on to lose at Forest on New Year's Day. Today, we won by sheer force of character The gameplans had gone out the window. We woud have lost this one 12 months ago. Hopefully, this clears the ghost of Cardiff, and we get back to controlling the game against the Baggies. They are not playing well and a more resolute defence could be the difference. If we get promoted, we're going to miss games like this, though.
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posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
Think the evidence is pretty conclusive myself, Nketiah starts and we concede four goals, he comes on against Cardiff and a comfortable 3-1 becomes 3-3. Every game that he plays any part in, the team, from the minute he comes on. struggles. We have nobody better granted but people so want him to be good enough that they are blinded to the fact he isn't suited to playing our way.
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Because Kiko’s two howlers wouldn’t have happened if Eddie was on the bench ffs.....
No of course Nketiah isn't responsible for the third and fourth but I think Elsbels has a point: is Nketiah good enough to do what we need him to do? Is Nketiah - who is not our player - any better than Roberts? He's faster, yes, but is he really a better attacker? Maybe Roberts has more to his game than Nketiah. In any case, Bielsa hasn't thought him good enough to start ahead of Bamford, has he?
Very pleased with the three points tonight. Might be a turning point in retrospect. yes, we're conceding like last year, at times - the sudden nervy collapses - but we're not losing games like last year. We're top and set up well psychologically for the crunch game with West Brom, who stumbled today too. I agree Bielsa's got his work cut out to stop them scoring though.
Even so, todays result is truly stupendous!
Happy New Year to everyone posting - this is a great forum. Thanks for your contributions!
For WBA:
Roberts to start instead of Klich (for a well deserved rest)?
Ayling and Alioski to be given instruction to stay closer to their designated full back areas? Does someone need to fall back to cover them when they romp forward? Is that old fashioned thinking these days? Asking for a friend!
Who do you prefer to start on Wednesday?
- Eddie N, or
- Hattrick Bamford?
- Alioski, or
- Douglas?
For their third goal, Kiko should never have come that far out of his goal for a ball he was never going to win. Does he have a goalie coach, because he sure as hell needs someone to point out to him the stupidity of some of his decisions.
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Jaz, didn't at any point say that Eddie was responsible for the goals we conceded but you'd have to be a fool to not notice the correlation between Eddie's appearances and slumps in performance on the field.
We're a much better side with Bamford leading the line and I doubt we'd have conceded four goals with him on the pitch.
He doesn't hold the ball up and isn't as capable in relation to the high press as Bamford so when he's on the pitch, as the sole striker, attacks break down and we are less able to get the ball back higher up the pitch. It comes back at us, over and over.
Also he's neither scoring nor getting into positions to get a shot away, look at his record in the U23's hasn't scored in open play since September (penalty's yes, open play no).
And "6 - A couple of nice moments aside, struggled to hold the ball up. Wasn't the outlet Leeds needed at times. Booked for a dive". Not me Graham Smyth.
comment by Elsbels - Show Domestic Abuse the Red Card. (U21658)
posted 56 seconds ago
Jaz, didn't at any point say that Eddie was responsible for the goals we conceded but you'd have to be a fool to not notice the correlation between Eddie's appearances and slumps in performance on the field.
We're a much better side with Bamford leading the line and I doubt we'd have conceded four goals with him on the pitch.
He doesn't hold the ball up and isn't as capable in relation to the high press as Bamford so when he's on the pitch, as the sole striker, attacks break down and we are less able to get the ball back higher up the pitch. It comes back at us, over and over.
Also he's neither scoring nor getting into positions to get a shot away, look at his record in the U23's hasn't scored in open play since September (penalty's yes, open play no).
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You should rewrite history you would be good at it!
The lad Eddie was making his first official start for
the team, hardly enough time to be a success,
whereas Bamford has had so many opportunities
and I don't know how many goal chances he's had
before some members realise he's not a natural
goalscorer...in the penalty area Eddie is more likely
to score in my opinion given opportunity.
Today I thought he worked well off the ball doing a
lot of closing down, in the 2nd half Birmingham came
more into the game so opportunities became more
limited...his game time needs to be more.
This off the ball closing down etc should be no more than any striker whether it be Bamford or Nkitea,
Worth his money should be doing...I don't see any
big difference between the two, Bamford just edges
by more experience.
The only issue I would favour Bamford over Nkitea is
that he's an authentic Leeds player, the latter is a
loanee...
Bamford was one of the main reasons why we made
a mess of it last season, not saying others weren't to
blame too...some have forgotten the sitters Bamford
missed at the end of last season...I don't see much
of a difference this season.
I would like him to score quite a few more now
because it means we will get the promotion we all
crave...but will he given the amount of opportunities?
Bamford has ten goals at the halfway point.
On target for twenty in a season.
Yet some people act like he doesn't score.
Its pathetic really.
It's more pathetic the amount of chances he's
squandered over 2 seasons the amount of
opportunities he's had...
I've heard some forum members say he's too
intelligent....I wish he would do more thinking inside
the box instead of outside the box!
Bamford was one of the main reasons why we made
a mess of it last season
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Was he?
Scored the opener against Wigan in that key game. Referee missed a blatant foul against him in the Brentford game, which should have given us a penalty at 0-0, in the one that sealed our fate.
He had two games last season where he missed some clear chances - Reading which we won 3 nil so it didn't matter, and Birmingham away which we lost.
We'll have to agree to disagree, NJS. I am suspicious that Nketiah has been overhyped for money reasons.
Arsenal are in a right old state this season and would have cashed in nicely if Nketiah had made a critical contribution to a promotion winning campaign with us. If he was good enough to be part of their plans, surely they wouldn't have loaned him out in the first place - he would be starting at the Emirates. If Bielsa had considered him good enough/better than Bamford, he would have started more often at ER - but he hasn't because he isn't.
Still at least you're not pining for Kemar Roofe - don't understand why his name is still coming up on here.
Aside from Phillips and Ben White you could argue Bamford is our most important player this season....I don’t know how people haven’t grasped this yet
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There’s no point debating with you because you clearly don’t understand 😂
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Football....I don’t think you understand it
“Wow what a match”
This.. can’t say there’s any point over analysis of this one was just mad! Loved it though
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Thing is playing players against each other is if Bamford had played he would have held the ball up front more and it wouldn't have come back as often or as fast as it did!..
4v5 could have been 2v8 the way the game panned out, but, if Kiko had played the way he sometimes does it could have been 2v5!..
Becchio took a load of crap from people around here for not bringing others into the game, something Bamford does, but Becchio scored lots for us, I wonder how much flak he'd get now with all those sitters we're missing which I think he'd stick most away!..
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Bamford was playing when we were completely overrun by Preston.
It’s our easily overrun midfield and lack of energy and passing accuracy that kept putting us under pressure in addition to effective tactics from opponents, not whether or not 1 player held ball up front more than another.
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posted on 29/12/19
This time last season, we lost at home to Hull, and would go on to lose at Forest on New Year's Day. Today, we won by sheer force of character The gameplans had gone out the window. We woud have lost this one 12 months ago. Hopefully, this clears the ghost of Cardiff, and we get back to controlling the game against the Baggies. They are not playing well and a more resolute defence could be the difference. If we get promoted, we're going to miss games like this, though.
posted on 29/12/19
comment by Elsbels - Show Domestic Abuse the Red Card. (U21658)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
Think the evidence is pretty conclusive myself, Nketiah starts and we concede four goals, he comes on against Cardiff and a comfortable 3-1 becomes 3-3. Every game that he plays any part in, the team, from the minute he comes on. struggles. We have nobody better granted but people so want him to be good enough that they are blinded to the fact he isn't suited to playing our way.
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Because Kiko’s two howlers wouldn’t have happened if Eddie was on the bench ffs.....
posted on 29/12/19
No of course Nketiah isn't responsible for the third and fourth but I think Elsbels has a point: is Nketiah good enough to do what we need him to do? Is Nketiah - who is not our player - any better than Roberts? He's faster, yes, but is he really a better attacker? Maybe Roberts has more to his game than Nketiah. In any case, Bielsa hasn't thought him good enough to start ahead of Bamford, has he?
Very pleased with the three points tonight. Might be a turning point in retrospect. yes, we're conceding like last year, at times - the sudden nervy collapses - but we're not losing games like last year. We're top and set up well psychologically for the crunch game with West Brom, who stumbled today too. I agree Bielsa's got his work cut out to stop them scoring though.
Even so, todays result is truly stupendous!
Happy New Year to everyone posting - this is a great forum. Thanks for your contributions!
posted on 29/12/19
For WBA:
Roberts to start instead of Klich (for a well deserved rest)?
Ayling and Alioski to be given instruction to stay closer to their designated full back areas? Does someone need to fall back to cover them when they romp forward? Is that old fashioned thinking these days? Asking for a friend!
Who do you prefer to start on Wednesday?
- Eddie N, or
- Hattrick Bamford?
- Alioski, or
- Douglas?
posted on 29/12/19
For their third goal, Kiko should never have come that far out of his goal for a ball he was never going to win. Does he have a goalie coach, because he sure as hell needs someone to point out to him the stupidity of some of his decisions.
posted on 29/12/19
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posted on 29/12/19
Jaz, didn't at any point say that Eddie was responsible for the goals we conceded but you'd have to be a fool to not notice the correlation between Eddie's appearances and slumps in performance on the field.
We're a much better side with Bamford leading the line and I doubt we'd have conceded four goals with him on the pitch.
He doesn't hold the ball up and isn't as capable in relation to the high press as Bamford so when he's on the pitch, as the sole striker, attacks break down and we are less able to get the ball back higher up the pitch. It comes back at us, over and over.
Also he's neither scoring nor getting into positions to get a shot away, look at his record in the U23's hasn't scored in open play since September (penalty's yes, open play no).
posted on 29/12/19
And "6 - A couple of nice moments aside, struggled to hold the ball up. Wasn't the outlet Leeds needed at times. Booked for a dive". Not me Graham Smyth.
posted on 29/12/19
comment by Elsbels - Show Domestic Abuse the Red Card. (U21658)
posted 56 seconds ago
Jaz, didn't at any point say that Eddie was responsible for the goals we conceded but you'd have to be a fool to not notice the correlation between Eddie's appearances and slumps in performance on the field.
We're a much better side with Bamford leading the line and I doubt we'd have conceded four goals with him on the pitch.
He doesn't hold the ball up and isn't as capable in relation to the high press as Bamford so when he's on the pitch, as the sole striker, attacks break down and we are less able to get the ball back higher up the pitch. It comes back at us, over and over.
Also he's neither scoring nor getting into positions to get a shot away, look at his record in the U23's hasn't scored in open play since September (penalty's yes, open play no).
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You should rewrite history you would be good at it!
The lad Eddie was making his first official start for
the team, hardly enough time to be a success,
whereas Bamford has had so many opportunities
and I don't know how many goal chances he's had
before some members realise he's not a natural
goalscorer...in the penalty area Eddie is more likely
to score in my opinion given opportunity.
Today I thought he worked well off the ball doing a
lot of closing down, in the 2nd half Birmingham came
more into the game so opportunities became more
limited...his game time needs to be more.
This off the ball closing down etc should be no more than any striker whether it be Bamford or Nkitea,
Worth his money should be doing...I don't see any
big difference between the two, Bamford just edges
by more experience.
The only issue I would favour Bamford over Nkitea is
that he's an authentic Leeds player, the latter is a
loanee...
Bamford was one of the main reasons why we made
a mess of it last season, not saying others weren't to
blame too...some have forgotten the sitters Bamford
missed at the end of last season...I don't see much
of a difference this season.
I would like him to score quite a few more now
because it means we will get the promotion we all
crave...but will he given the amount of opportunities?
posted on 29/12/19
Bamford has ten goals at the halfway point.
On target for twenty in a season.
Yet some people act like he doesn't score.
Its pathetic really.
posted on 29/12/19
It's more pathetic the amount of chances he's
squandered over 2 seasons the amount of
opportunities he's had...
I've heard some forum members say he's too
intelligent....I wish he would do more thinking inside
the box instead of outside the box!
posted on 30/12/19
Bamford was one of the main reasons why we made
a mess of it last season
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Was he?
Scored the opener against Wigan in that key game. Referee missed a blatant foul against him in the Brentford game, which should have given us a penalty at 0-0, in the one that sealed our fate.
He had two games last season where he missed some clear chances - Reading which we won 3 nil so it didn't matter, and Birmingham away which we lost.
posted on 30/12/19
We'll have to agree to disagree, NJS. I am suspicious that Nketiah has been overhyped for money reasons.
Arsenal are in a right old state this season and would have cashed in nicely if Nketiah had made a critical contribution to a promotion winning campaign with us. If he was good enough to be part of their plans, surely they wouldn't have loaned him out in the first place - he would be starting at the Emirates. If Bielsa had considered him good enough/better than Bamford, he would have started more often at ER - but he hasn't because he isn't.
Still at least you're not pining for Kemar Roofe - don't understand why his name is still coming up on here.
posted on 30/12/19
Aside from Phillips and Ben White you could argue Bamford is our most important player this season....I don’t know how people haven’t grasped this yet
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Yes
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There’s no point debating with you because you clearly don’t understand 😂
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posted on 30/12/19
Football....I don’t think you understand it
posted on 30/12/19
“Wow what a match”
This.. can’t say there’s any point over analysis of this one was just mad! Loved it though
posted on 30/12/19
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posted on 30/12/19
Thing is playing players against each other is if Bamford had played he would have held the ball up front more and it wouldn't have come back as often or as fast as it did!..
4v5 could have been 2v8 the way the game panned out, but, if Kiko had played the way he sometimes does it could have been 2v5!..
Becchio took a load of crap from people around here for not bringing others into the game, something Bamford does, but Becchio scored lots for us, I wonder how much flak he'd get now with all those sitters we're missing which I think he'd stick most away!..
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posted on 30/12/19
Bamford was playing when we were completely overrun by Preston.
It’s our easily overrun midfield and lack of energy and passing accuracy that kept putting us under pressure in addition to effective tactics from opponents, not whether or not 1 player held ball up front more than another.
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