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what is up with lo celso? what has he (from my knowledge) featured more? I believe he had an injury?
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
what is up with lo celso? what has he (from my knowledge) featured more? I believe he had an injury?
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Had an injury combined with a manager who takes a while to introduce new players, and then a new manager who doesn't believe midfielders can be under 6ft
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
what is up with lo celso? what has he (from my knowledge) featured more? I believe he had an injury?
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No pre season then got injured on international duty. Finally got fit had back to back starts and then poch got sacked.
Jose then went with the tried and tested.
chris
Good player from what you've seen?
I once had a chat with you guys about lucas saying he should get more time but was shot down by a few of your board.
I like Lucas but he’s a individualist in a team game, meaning he just doesn’t link up well.
All his best moments are mainly stuff he does alone, mazy runs or instinctive shots.
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 2 minutes ago
I like Lucas but he’s a individualist in a team game, meaning he just doesn’t link up well.
All his best moments are mainly stuff he does alone, mazy runs or instinctive shots.
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I guess thats similar to son in a way and can understand with that reasoning why both dont start together all that often.
Its funny when those 6ft plus midfielders are practically invisible.
Daft thing is, when Mourinho was at his best (which, let's not forget, was almost 15 years ago) he was a strict adherent to the 433. Remember that Chelsea team:
Cech
Ferreira - Carvalho - Terry - Cole
Essien - Makelele - Lampard
Robben - Drogba - Duff
Maybe one or two players wrong (I have a feeling Duff wasn't there when Cole was), but the midfield 3 were there for a while. Makelele was the destroyer, Essien the box-to-box engine room and Lampard the attacking goalscorer/creator.
Ndombele fits the Essien mould and Lo Celso the Lampard one - the only question mark is who who fit the Makelele role out of Winks, Dier or Sissoko. Arguably none of them.
I guess he's prioritising putting Alli in his preferred position though, and Alli doesn't really fit in a deeper midfield role.
Tbf all three of those players youve listed are better than all of your options. We also had players like ballack. Slightly tough to compare.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tbf all three of those players youve listed are better than all of your options. We also had players like ballack. Slightly tough to compare.
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Yes, unquestionably - but then, that Chelsea team won the league, whereas no-one expects this Spurs team to get anywhere near that
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tbf all three of those players youve listed are better than all of your options. We also had players like ballack. Slightly tough to compare.
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Yes, unquestionably - but then, that Chelsea team won the league, whereas no-one expects this Spurs team to get anywhere near that
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true. I just feel now after the neglect of the squad over the last few years you need an overhaul. I would seriously try cashing in on dier, sissoko, rose and a few others. If you go on a bad run over xmas and top 4 is out the question i'd just start playing younger and new players?
comment by Phendombele (U20037)
posted 21 minutes ago
alright nick
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geezer. How you doing?
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tbf all three of those players youve listed are better than all of your options. We also had players like ballack. Slightly tough to compare.
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Yes, unquestionably - but then, that Chelsea team won the league, whereas no-one expects this Spurs team to get anywhere near that
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true. I just feel now after the neglect of the squad over the last few years you need an overhaul. I would seriously try cashing in on dier, sissoko, rose and a few others. If you go on a bad run over xmas and top 4 is out the question i'd just start playing younger and new players?
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It's the two consecutive windows with no new players, coming back to haunt Spurs. Huge overhaul needed now, no question.
Aurier, Walker-Peters, Vertonghen, Rose, Dier, Eriksen, Lamela all need moving on as a priority. Arguably Lloris, Sanchez and even Alli too since they've all been poor for a relatively extended period and Alli would fetch far more than his performances would merit.
And there's no young players who look good enough to step straight in and take any of their places, so that's as many as 10 players out who would all need replacing in one form or another. Spread out over a longer period including those two barren windows, and the rebuild would've been doable. Now the club is so far behind that it's hard to know where to start.
But of the current "defensive 6" (i.e. keeper, back 4 and deepest midfielder), only one should still be at the club - and even Alderweireld is showing signs of regression. The club is in an absolute state.
OP
Winks simply is not good enough to start, and Ndombele is always injured. I am willing to give it a go though, if neither are injured.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tbf all three of those players youve listed are better than all of your options. We also had players like ballack. Slightly tough to compare.
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Yes, unquestionably - but then, that Chelsea team won the league, whereas no-one expects this Spurs team to get anywhere near that
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true. I just feel now after the neglect of the squad over the last few years you need an overhaul. I would seriously try cashing in on dier, sissoko, rose and a few others. If you go on a bad run over xmas and top 4 is out the question i'd just start playing younger and new players?
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None of our young players though are any good. Sessignon looks about the best. Nothing really coming through from the ranks. Skipp looks to lightweight, KWP is no longer that young. That`s about it. The young central half may be OK, his name I cannot remember just now. Troy Parrott as well could end up being the real deal, probably need to give him a few sub appearances when games are sewn up. Problem is every game Spurs seem to be involved in goes right down to the wire.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tbf all three of those players youve listed are better than all of your options. We also had players like ballack. Slightly tough to compare.
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Yes, unquestionably - but then, that Chelsea team won the league, whereas no-one expects this Spurs team to get anywhere near that
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true. I just feel now after the neglect of the squad over the last few years you need an overhaul. I would seriously try cashing in on dier, sissoko, rose and a few others. If you go on a bad run over xmas and top 4 is out the question i'd just start playing younger and new players?
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None of our young players though are any good. Sessignon looks about the best. Nothing really coming through from the ranks. Skipp looks to lightweight, KWP is no longer that young. That`s about it. The young central half may be OK, his name I cannot remember just now. Troy Parrott as well could end up being the real deal, probably need to give him a few sub appearances when games are sewn up. Problem is every game Spurs seem to be involved in goes right down to the wire.
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Tanganga
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tbf all three of those players youve listed are better than all of your options. We also had players like ballack. Slightly tough to compare.
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Yes, unquestionably - but then, that Chelsea team won the league, whereas no-one expects this Spurs team to get anywhere near that
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true. I just feel now after the neglect of the squad over the last few years you need an overhaul. I would seriously try cashing in on dier, sissoko, rose and a few others. If you go on a bad run over xmas and top 4 is out the question i'd just start playing younger and new players?
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None of our young players though are any good. Sessignon looks about the best. Nothing really coming through from the ranks. Skipp looks to lightweight, KWP is no longer that young. That`s about it. The young central half may be OK, his name I cannot remember just now. Troy Parrott as well could end up being the real deal, probably need to give him a few sub appearances when games are sewn up. Problem is every game Spurs seem to be involved in goes right down to the wire.
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I was thinking more that sessegnon, winks, KWP, add in ndombele to start more, lo celso, lucas...even if it doesnt work out, the game time will add value to the younger players and give experience to the newbies in the league.
There is no point retrying players like dier, sissoko, eriksen(who is leaving) and even your older cbs, if you are missing top 4. Might aswell try cash in and rebuild. Hope you keep onto kane, son and a few others.
You would hope so OP, but Jose is a dinosaur. We will probably resort back to Dier, and aimlessly hoof the ball up to Son/Moura
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you (U7905)
posted 50 minutes ago
You would hope so OP, but Jose is a dinosaur. We will probably resort back to Dier, and aimlessly hoof the ball up to Son/Moura
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This is exactly why I hoped for Allegri. At least some new ideas. Most prem managers have seen all of Jose's tactics and teams.
I would like to see more of Lille staff having an influence on our play. All seems like a hint of Jol and Santini. Sacramento might be Levy's next appointment if Jose leaves.
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you (U7905)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
You would hope so OP, but Jose is a dinosaur. We will probably resort back to Dier, and aimlessly hoof the ball up to Son/Moura
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Jose is not a dinosaur. Spurs have created and scored lots of goals since he arrived. After the dross of the previous managers last nine months, the stuff on show now is absolutely brilliant.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you (U7905)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
You would hope so OP, but Jose is a dinosaur. We will probably resort back to Dier, and aimlessly hoof the ball up to Son/Moura
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Jose is not a dinosaur. Spurs have created and scored lots of goals since he arrived. After the dross of the previous managers last nine months, the stuff on show now is absolutely brilliant.
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You must be blind as well as stupid
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posted on 8/1/20
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posted on 8/1/20
Wrong manager for that
posted on 8/1/20
what is up with lo celso? what has he (from my knowledge) featured more? I believe he had an injury?
posted on 8/1/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
what is up with lo celso? what has he (from my knowledge) featured more? I believe he had an injury?
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Had an injury combined with a manager who takes a while to introduce new players, and then a new manager who doesn't believe midfielders can be under 6ft
posted on 8/1/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
what is up with lo celso? what has he (from my knowledge) featured more? I believe he had an injury?
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No pre season then got injured on international duty. Finally got fit had back to back starts and then poch got sacked.
Jose then went with the tried and tested.
posted on 8/1/20
chris
Good player from what you've seen?
I once had a chat with you guys about lucas saying he should get more time but was shot down by a few of your board.
posted on 8/1/20
I like Lucas but he’s a individualist in a team game, meaning he just doesn’t link up well.
All his best moments are mainly stuff he does alone, mazy runs or instinctive shots.
posted on 8/1/20
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 2 minutes ago
I like Lucas but he’s a individualist in a team game, meaning he just doesn’t link up well.
All his best moments are mainly stuff he does alone, mazy runs or instinctive shots.
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I guess thats similar to son in a way and can understand with that reasoning why both dont start together all that often.
posted on 8/1/20
Its funny when those 6ft plus midfielders are practically invisible.
posted on 8/1/20
Daft thing is, when Mourinho was at his best (which, let's not forget, was almost 15 years ago) he was a strict adherent to the 433. Remember that Chelsea team:
Cech
Ferreira - Carvalho - Terry - Cole
Essien - Makelele - Lampard
Robben - Drogba - Duff
Maybe one or two players wrong (I have a feeling Duff wasn't there when Cole was), but the midfield 3 were there for a while. Makelele was the destroyer, Essien the box-to-box engine room and Lampard the attacking goalscorer/creator.
Ndombele fits the Essien mould and Lo Celso the Lampard one - the only question mark is who who fit the Makelele role out of Winks, Dier or Sissoko. Arguably none of them.
I guess he's prioritising putting Alli in his preferred position though, and Alli doesn't really fit in a deeper midfield role.
posted on 8/1/20
Tbf all three of those players youve listed are better than all of your options. We also had players like ballack. Slightly tough to compare.
posted on 8/1/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tbf all three of those players youve listed are better than all of your options. We also had players like ballack. Slightly tough to compare.
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Yes, unquestionably - but then, that Chelsea team won the league, whereas no-one expects this Spurs team to get anywhere near that
posted on 8/1/20
alright nick
posted on 8/1/20
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tbf all three of those players youve listed are better than all of your options. We also had players like ballack. Slightly tough to compare.
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Yes, unquestionably - but then, that Chelsea team won the league, whereas no-one expects this Spurs team to get anywhere near that
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true. I just feel now after the neglect of the squad over the last few years you need an overhaul. I would seriously try cashing in on dier, sissoko, rose and a few others. If you go on a bad run over xmas and top 4 is out the question i'd just start playing younger and new players?
posted on 8/1/20
comment by Phendombele (U20037)
posted 21 minutes ago
alright nick
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geezer. How you doing?
posted on 8/1/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tbf all three of those players youve listed are better than all of your options. We also had players like ballack. Slightly tough to compare.
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Yes, unquestionably - but then, that Chelsea team won the league, whereas no-one expects this Spurs team to get anywhere near that
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true. I just feel now after the neglect of the squad over the last few years you need an overhaul. I would seriously try cashing in on dier, sissoko, rose and a few others. If you go on a bad run over xmas and top 4 is out the question i'd just start playing younger and new players?
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It's the two consecutive windows with no new players, coming back to haunt Spurs. Huge overhaul needed now, no question.
Aurier, Walker-Peters, Vertonghen, Rose, Dier, Eriksen, Lamela all need moving on as a priority. Arguably Lloris, Sanchez and even Alli too since they've all been poor for a relatively extended period and Alli would fetch far more than his performances would merit.
And there's no young players who look good enough to step straight in and take any of their places, so that's as many as 10 players out who would all need replacing in one form or another. Spread out over a longer period including those two barren windows, and the rebuild would've been doable. Now the club is so far behind that it's hard to know where to start.
But of the current "defensive 6" (i.e. keeper, back 4 and deepest midfielder), only one should still be at the club - and even Alderweireld is showing signs of regression. The club is in an absolute state.
posted on 8/1/20
OP
Winks simply is not good enough to start, and Ndombele is always injured. I am willing to give it a go though, if neither are injured.
posted on 8/1/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tbf all three of those players youve listed are better than all of your options. We also had players like ballack. Slightly tough to compare.
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Yes, unquestionably - but then, that Chelsea team won the league, whereas no-one expects this Spurs team to get anywhere near that
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true. I just feel now after the neglect of the squad over the last few years you need an overhaul. I would seriously try cashing in on dier, sissoko, rose and a few others. If you go on a bad run over xmas and top 4 is out the question i'd just start playing younger and new players?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
None of our young players though are any good. Sessignon looks about the best. Nothing really coming through from the ranks. Skipp looks to lightweight, KWP is no longer that young. That`s about it. The young central half may be OK, his name I cannot remember just now. Troy Parrott as well could end up being the real deal, probably need to give him a few sub appearances when games are sewn up. Problem is every game Spurs seem to be involved in goes right down to the wire.
posted on 8/1/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tbf all three of those players youve listed are better than all of your options. We also had players like ballack. Slightly tough to compare.
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Yes, unquestionably - but then, that Chelsea team won the league, whereas no-one expects this Spurs team to get anywhere near that
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true. I just feel now after the neglect of the squad over the last few years you need an overhaul. I would seriously try cashing in on dier, sissoko, rose and a few others. If you go on a bad run over xmas and top 4 is out the question i'd just start playing younger and new players?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
None of our young players though are any good. Sessignon looks about the best. Nothing really coming through from the ranks. Skipp looks to lightweight, KWP is no longer that young. That`s about it. The young central half may be OK, his name I cannot remember just now. Troy Parrott as well could end up being the real deal, probably need to give him a few sub appearances when games are sewn up. Problem is every game Spurs seem to be involved in goes right down to the wire.
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Tanganga
posted on 8/1/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tbf all three of those players youve listed are better than all of your options. We also had players like ballack. Slightly tough to compare.
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Yes, unquestionably - but then, that Chelsea team won the league, whereas no-one expects this Spurs team to get anywhere near that
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true. I just feel now after the neglect of the squad over the last few years you need an overhaul. I would seriously try cashing in on dier, sissoko, rose and a few others. If you go on a bad run over xmas and top 4 is out the question i'd just start playing younger and new players?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
None of our young players though are any good. Sessignon looks about the best. Nothing really coming through from the ranks. Skipp looks to lightweight, KWP is no longer that young. That`s about it. The young central half may be OK, his name I cannot remember just now. Troy Parrott as well could end up being the real deal, probably need to give him a few sub appearances when games are sewn up. Problem is every game Spurs seem to be involved in goes right down to the wire.
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I was thinking more that sessegnon, winks, KWP, add in ndombele to start more, lo celso, lucas...even if it doesnt work out, the game time will add value to the younger players and give experience to the newbies in the league.
There is no point retrying players like dier, sissoko, eriksen(who is leaving) and even your older cbs, if you are missing top 4. Might aswell try cash in and rebuild. Hope you keep onto kane, son and a few others.
posted on 8/1/20
You would hope so OP, but Jose is a dinosaur. We will probably resort back to Dier, and aimlessly hoof the ball up to Son/Moura
posted on 8/1/20
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you (U7905)
posted 50 minutes ago
You would hope so OP, but Jose is a dinosaur. We will probably resort back to Dier, and aimlessly hoof the ball up to Son/Moura
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This is exactly why I hoped for Allegri. At least some new ideas. Most prem managers have seen all of Jose's tactics and teams.
I would like to see more of Lille staff having an influence on our play. All seems like a hint of Jol and Santini. Sacramento might be Levy's next appointment if Jose leaves.
posted on 8/1/20
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you (U7905)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
You would hope so OP, but Jose is a dinosaur. We will probably resort back to Dier, and aimlessly hoof the ball up to Son/Moura
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Jose is not a dinosaur. Spurs have created and scored lots of goals since he arrived. After the dross of the previous managers last nine months, the stuff on show now is absolutely brilliant.
posted on 8/1/20
End hoofball?
Wow.
posted on 8/1/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you (U7905)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
You would hope so OP, but Jose is a dinosaur. We will probably resort back to Dier, and aimlessly hoof the ball up to Son/Moura
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Jose is not a dinosaur. Spurs have created and scored lots of goals since he arrived. After the dross of the previous managers last nine months, the stuff on show now is absolutely brilliant.
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You must be blind as well as stupid
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