Thought the title was a joke...
Rice transfer complete
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He is just ok in my view. Can't see him making it to the very top from what I have seen so far. Has been pretty poor for England aswell and very sloppy in possession. Not sure what the obsession with British is. Other than being no better than European counteraparts they also are ridiculously more expensive. For around the same price and yes I know its no guarantee we would get him but Saul Niguez would be a fantastic signing. However I can see City getting him for when Fernandinho leaves
Being linked with Longstaff and Rice is underwhelming. Neither are what we need.
No. Don’t want him, overacted turncoat.
comment by Techno (U22280)
posted 28 minutes ago
Being linked with Longstaff and Rice is underwhelming. Neither are what we need.
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Longstaff would be the better of the two imo. He's box to box at least and more room to improve than Rice who i doubt will get much better.
HB Fash, any particular basis for believing one young player has room to improve and another doesn't?
Sounds like a Man United type signing,
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 27 minutes ago
HB Fash, any particular basis for believing one young player has room to improve and another doesn't?
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I think Longstaff is a technical footballer with more growth possible, still not quite in peak condition physically either.
Rice i feel is physically at his peak and those are his key attributes, he's not a ball player and at the top level you need to be able to do both.
Eric Dier mark 2
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yup, not that we are in a place to be turning our noses up at pretty much anyone, no doubt we will pay 50mill plus for him
I haven't seen enough of either to comment. What I would say is that I've seen a few young midfielders prematurely written off as technically limited but come into their own gradually over 2-3 years in first team football. Fletcher and McT are examples from United. Young midfielders have to acclimatise tactically and deal with the same huge step up in level as any other player. But they also have to hone their instincts in the area of the field that's probably the most constricted for space and the most pressurised: when to make which passes, when to play it safe / force it, when to try something unexpected. It's not surprising that they often play within themselves a bit in their early matches. McTominay was seen as a workhorse with little technical skill by many but has gradually added flicks and more progressive passing to his game. It's not that he has recently learnt all that.
That's why (apart from the fact that I've barely watched either of them) I'd reserve judgement on the ceilings of players like Rice and Longstaff.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
I haven't seen enough of either to comment. What I would say is that I've seen a few young midfielders prematurely written off as technically limited but come into their own gradually over 2-3 years in first team football. Fletcher and McT are examples from United. Young midfielders have to acclimatise tactically and deal with the same huge step up in level as any other player. But they also have to hone their instincts in the area of the field that's probably the most constricted for space and the most pressurised: when to make which passes, when to play it safe / force it, when to try something unexpected. It's not surprising that they often play within themselves a bit in their early matches. McTominay was seen as a workhorse with little technical skill by many but has gradually added flicks and more progressive passing to his game. It's not that he has recently learnt all that.
That's why (apart from the fact that I've barely watched either of them) I'd reserve judgement on the ceilings of players like Rice and Longstaff.
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Rice has been playing PL level for a while and if i'm honest McTominay isn't up to much, squad player at best.
Having had to watch him for Scotland he's the weakest link in our midfield when he plays.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
I haven't seen enough of either to comment. What I would say is that I've seen a few young midfielders prematurely written off as technically limited but come into their own gradually over 2-3 years in first team football. Fletcher and McT are examples from United. Young midfielders have to acclimatise tactically and deal with the same huge step up in level as any other player. But they also have to hone their instincts in the area of the field that's probably the most constricted for space and the most pressurised: when to make which passes, when to play it safe / force it, when to try something unexpected. It's not surprising that they often play within themselves a bit in their early matches. McTominay was seen as a workhorse with little technical skill by many but has gradually added flicks and more progressive passing to his game. It's not that he has recently learnt all that.
That's why (apart from the fact that I've barely watched either of them) I'd reserve judgement on the ceilings of players like Rice and Longstaff.
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Rice has been playing PL level for a while and if i'm honest McTominay isn't up to much, squad player at best.
Having had to watch him for Scotland he's the weakest link in our midfield when he plays.
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So we shouldn't sign Rice as we have McTominay.
McT is better than rice imo
I wondered if Rice might've developed as a CB which is what he was before he started playing in midfield. Defensively he reads the game quite well for his age but he's not very good in possession compared to other holding players of a similar age.
Anyway, it would be a shame we brought in a player like Rice when we've Garner who I hope to see a bit more of soon.
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
I haven't seen enough of either to comment. What I would say is that I've seen a few young midfielders prematurely written off as technically limited but come into their own gradually over 2-3 years in first team football. Fletcher and McT are examples from United. Young midfielders have to acclimatise tactically and deal with the same huge step up in level as any other player. But they also have to hone their instincts in the area of the field that's probably the most constricted for space and the most pressurised: when to make which passes, when to play it safe / force it, when to try something unexpected. It's not surprising that they often play within themselves a bit in their early matches. McTominay was seen as a workhorse with little technical skill by many but has gradually added flicks and more progressive passing to his game. It's not that he has recently learnt all that.
That's why (apart from the fact that I've barely watched either of them) I'd reserve judgement on the ceilings of players like Rice and Longstaff.
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Rice has been playing PL level for a while and if i'm honest McTominay isn't up to much, squad player at best.
Having had to watch him for Scotland he's the weakest link in our midfield when he plays.
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So we shouldn't sign Rice as we have McTominay.
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No you shouldn't sign Rice as he's overpriced, over-rated, not able to do the technical side of the game as well as United need a midfielder to be able to and i can't see him kicking on to the next level.
McTominay you already have and he's produced enough for the United fans to take to him, he should stay and fill in gaps when 1st team players are out imo.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
HB Fash, any particular basis for believing one young player has room to improve and another doesn't?
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Reaching ones max potential and the other hasn't?
Prefer McTominay to Rice from what I've seen.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
I haven't seen enough of either to comment. What I would say is that I've seen a few young midfielders prematurely written off as technically limited but come into their own gradually over 2-3 years in first team football. Fletcher and McT are examples from United. Young midfielders have to acclimatise tactically and deal with the same huge step up in level as any other player. But they also have to hone their instincts in the area of the field that's probably the most constricted for space and the most pressurised: when to make which passes, when to play it safe / force it, when to try something unexpected. It's not surprising that they often play within themselves a bit in their early matches. McTominay was seen as a workhorse with little technical skill by many but has gradually added flicks and more progressive passing to his game. It's not that he has recently learnt all that.
That's why (apart from the fact that I've barely watched either of them) I'd reserve judgement on the ceilings of players like Rice and Longstaff.
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Rice has been playing PL level for a while and if i'm honest McTominay isn't up to much, squad player at best.
Having had to watch him for Scotland he's the weakest link in our midfield when he plays.
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So we shouldn't sign Rice as we have McTominay.
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No you shouldn't sign Rice as he's overpriced, over-rated, not able to do the technical side of the game as well as United need a midfielder to be able to and i can't see him kicking on to the next level.
McTominay you already have and he's produced enough for the United fans to take to him, he should stay and fill in gaps when 1st team players are out imo.
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McTominay > Rice
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posted on 14/1/20
Thought the title was a joke...
posted on 14/1/20
Rice transfer complete
https://images.app.goo.gl/FnL1ykmziLWHH7w79
posted on 14/1/20
He is just ok in my view. Can't see him making it to the very top from what I have seen so far. Has been pretty poor for England aswell and very sloppy in possession. Not sure what the obsession with British is. Other than being no better than European counteraparts they also are ridiculously more expensive. For around the same price and yes I know its no guarantee we would get him but Saul Niguez would be a fantastic signing. However I can see City getting him for when Fernandinho leaves
posted on 14/1/20
Eric Dier mark 2
posted on 14/1/20
Being linked with Longstaff and Rice is underwhelming. Neither are what we need.
posted on 14/1/20
No. Don’t want him, overacted turncoat.
posted on 14/1/20
comment by Techno (U22280)
posted 28 minutes ago
Being linked with Longstaff and Rice is underwhelming. Neither are what we need.
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Longstaff would be the better of the two imo. He's box to box at least and more room to improve than Rice who i doubt will get much better.
posted on 14/1/20
HB Fash, any particular basis for believing one young player has room to improve and another doesn't?
posted on 14/1/20
Sounds like a Man United type signing,
posted on 14/1/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 27 minutes ago
HB Fash, any particular basis for believing one young player has room to improve and another doesn't?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think Longstaff is a technical footballer with more growth possible, still not quite in peak condition physically either.
Rice i feel is physically at his peak and those are his key attributes, he's not a ball player and at the top level you need to be able to do both.
posted on 14/1/20
Eric Dier mark 2
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yup, not that we are in a place to be turning our noses up at pretty much anyone, no doubt we will pay 50mill plus for him
posted on 14/1/20
I haven't seen enough of either to comment. What I would say is that I've seen a few young midfielders prematurely written off as technically limited but come into their own gradually over 2-3 years in first team football. Fletcher and McT are examples from United. Young midfielders have to acclimatise tactically and deal with the same huge step up in level as any other player. But they also have to hone their instincts in the area of the field that's probably the most constricted for space and the most pressurised: when to make which passes, when to play it safe / force it, when to try something unexpected. It's not surprising that they often play within themselves a bit in their early matches. McTominay was seen as a workhorse with little technical skill by many but has gradually added flicks and more progressive passing to his game. It's not that he has recently learnt all that.
That's why (apart from the fact that I've barely watched either of them) I'd reserve judgement on the ceilings of players like Rice and Longstaff.
posted on 14/1/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
I haven't seen enough of either to comment. What I would say is that I've seen a few young midfielders prematurely written off as technically limited but come into their own gradually over 2-3 years in first team football. Fletcher and McT are examples from United. Young midfielders have to acclimatise tactically and deal with the same huge step up in level as any other player. But they also have to hone their instincts in the area of the field that's probably the most constricted for space and the most pressurised: when to make which passes, when to play it safe / force it, when to try something unexpected. It's not surprising that they often play within themselves a bit in their early matches. McTominay was seen as a workhorse with little technical skill by many but has gradually added flicks and more progressive passing to his game. It's not that he has recently learnt all that.
That's why (apart from the fact that I've barely watched either of them) I'd reserve judgement on the ceilings of players like Rice and Longstaff.
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Rice has been playing PL level for a while and if i'm honest McTominay isn't up to much, squad player at best.
Having had to watch him for Scotland he's the weakest link in our midfield when he plays.
posted on 14/1/20
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
I haven't seen enough of either to comment. What I would say is that I've seen a few young midfielders prematurely written off as technically limited but come into their own gradually over 2-3 years in first team football. Fletcher and McT are examples from United. Young midfielders have to acclimatise tactically and deal with the same huge step up in level as any other player. But they also have to hone their instincts in the area of the field that's probably the most constricted for space and the most pressurised: when to make which passes, when to play it safe / force it, when to try something unexpected. It's not surprising that they often play within themselves a bit in their early matches. McTominay was seen as a workhorse with little technical skill by many but has gradually added flicks and more progressive passing to his game. It's not that he has recently learnt all that.
That's why (apart from the fact that I've barely watched either of them) I'd reserve judgement on the ceilings of players like Rice and Longstaff.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rice has been playing PL level for a while and if i'm honest McTominay isn't up to much, squad player at best.
Having had to watch him for Scotland he's the weakest link in our midfield when he plays.
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So we shouldn't sign Rice as we have McTominay.
posted on 14/1/20
McT is better than rice imo
posted on 14/1/20
I wondered if Rice might've developed as a CB which is what he was before he started playing in midfield. Defensively he reads the game quite well for his age but he's not very good in possession compared to other holding players of a similar age.
Anyway, it would be a shame we brought in a player like Rice when we've Garner who I hope to see a bit more of soon.
posted on 14/1/20
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
I haven't seen enough of either to comment. What I would say is that I've seen a few young midfielders prematurely written off as technically limited but come into their own gradually over 2-3 years in first team football. Fletcher and McT are examples from United. Young midfielders have to acclimatise tactically and deal with the same huge step up in level as any other player. But they also have to hone their instincts in the area of the field that's probably the most constricted for space and the most pressurised: when to make which passes, when to play it safe / force it, when to try something unexpected. It's not surprising that they often play within themselves a bit in their early matches. McTominay was seen as a workhorse with little technical skill by many but has gradually added flicks and more progressive passing to his game. It's not that he has recently learnt all that.
That's why (apart from the fact that I've barely watched either of them) I'd reserve judgement on the ceilings of players like Rice and Longstaff.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rice has been playing PL level for a while and if i'm honest McTominay isn't up to much, squad player at best.
Having had to watch him for Scotland he's the weakest link in our midfield when he plays.
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So we shouldn't sign Rice as we have McTominay.
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No you shouldn't sign Rice as he's overpriced, over-rated, not able to do the technical side of the game as well as United need a midfielder to be able to and i can't see him kicking on to the next level.
McTominay you already have and he's produced enough for the United fans to take to him, he should stay and fill in gaps when 1st team players are out imo.
posted on 14/1/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
HB Fash, any particular basis for believing one young player has room to improve and another doesn't?
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Reaching ones max potential and the other hasn't?
posted on 14/1/20
Prefer McTominay to Rice from what I've seen.
posted on 14/1/20
McTominay > Rice
posted on 14/1/20
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
I haven't seen enough of either to comment. What I would say is that I've seen a few young midfielders prematurely written off as technically limited but come into their own gradually over 2-3 years in first team football. Fletcher and McT are examples from United. Young midfielders have to acclimatise tactically and deal with the same huge step up in level as any other player. But they also have to hone their instincts in the area of the field that's probably the most constricted for space and the most pressurised: when to make which passes, when to play it safe / force it, when to try something unexpected. It's not surprising that they often play within themselves a bit in their early matches. McTominay was seen as a workhorse with little technical skill by many but has gradually added flicks and more progressive passing to his game. It's not that he has recently learnt all that.
That's why (apart from the fact that I've barely watched either of them) I'd reserve judgement on the ceilings of players like Rice and Longstaff.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rice has been playing PL level for a while and if i'm honest McTominay isn't up to much, squad player at best.
Having had to watch him for Scotland he's the weakest link in our midfield when he plays.
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So we shouldn't sign Rice as we have McTominay.
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No you shouldn't sign Rice as he's overpriced, over-rated, not able to do the technical side of the game as well as United need a midfielder to be able to and i can't see him kicking on to the next level.
McTominay you already have and he's produced enough for the United fans to take to him, he should stay and fill in gaps when 1st team players are out imo.
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McTominay > Rice
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