Parachute payments pay more for losing your place in the Premiership than the Champions of Germany get for winning their league, the Premiership and the dumbass money they sniff is the downfall of football, and that's the reason clubs have dumbass problems to get there!..
Its been said lots of times before, the "Fit For Purpose" thing, the Leagues should do it on themselves before making laws up as they go along!..
Football will get a lot worst before it gets better!..
Time someone had the balls to sign players on contracts with clauses cutting their wages if they get relegated. I'm not sure how it would work, but the big clubs should be limited to the amount of players on their books, they can't sign everybody.
It might just get some of the useless feckers playing for their living too?
comment by Batty - Prem4harj (U4664)
posted 22 minutes ago
I get that Kebab.
Doesn't make the idea any less ridiculous in my mind.
It basically gives teams already in the division a kick in the nuts. And gives the relegated team a huge advantage. I don't know what the alternative is. But there has to be one.
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Yeah agree. Its a difficult one.
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 17 minutes ago
Time someone had the balls to sign players on contracts with clauses cutting their wages if they get relegated. I'm not sure how it would work, but the big clubs should be limited to the amount of players on their books, they can't sign everybody.
It might just get some of the useless feckers playing for their living too?
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The theory is great but in reality no player is going to sign the deal - he will just go somewhere else who dosnt put the clause in.
ALL these sad leeds tvvats,
comment by Zigger Zagger (U6905)
posted 1 minute ago
ALL these sad leeds tvvats,
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but we are happy?
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Zigger Zagger (U6905)
posted 1 minute ago
ALL these sad leeds tvvats,
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but we are happy?
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Not as happy as we are.
Just incredible the fuss they caused over bielsa watching them train, like they were the whitest club around, hard done to. The way fat cuuunty bollox frank played the victim card and all along they we’re cheating on a very large scale,
I hope they get relegated as a result and Rooney injures his groin nobbing a granny and get ruled out for the rest of the season.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer club. Maybe a record points deduction to go with the Prems record lowest points total🤣🤣🤣
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 3 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 17 minutes ago
Time someone had the balls to sign players on contracts with clauses cutting their wages if they get relegated. I'm not sure how it would work, but the big clubs should be limited to the amount of players on their books, they can't sign everybody.
It might just get some of the useless feckers playing for their living too?
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The theory is great but in reality no player is going to sign the deal - he will just go somewhere else who dosnt put the clause in.
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Unfortunately yes that's what will happen. But if everyone stuck together (which goes against all human nature), things could be resolved, but the dog eats dog wins attitude every time.
*dog eats dog attitude wins every time.
A possible 21 point deduction. You have to laugh.
We wont get any point reduction
You know what it's like when you want something to happen so bad then it doesn't?
Sure you do, "Stop crying Frank Lampard." You even made a song up.
We'll you'll need counselling when this FFP nonsense comes to nothing.
You aren't a promotion rival, you aren't a relegation rival, so I don't really care where you finish TBH. It's just funny when a bit of justice gets handed out to a horrible club who deserve nothing less to get 21 points taken off them for cheating.
Derby in the dock: Threat of 21-point penalty looms over Championship side after £80m Pride Park sale
*Derby County have been charged by the EFL for making excess losses under FFP
*Derby recorded the losses over a three year period which ended June 30, 2018
*Championship club will be referred to an independent disciplinary commission
*If the case against them is proven then Derby could face a points deduction
Derby are facing a 21-point deduction that could relegate them to League One after they were charged by the EFL with a breach of spending regulations.
The Championship club’s proposed investment from Swiss- Turkish businessman Henry Gabay is also in jeopardy.
Derby are charged with breaking profit and sustainability (P&S) rules for the three-year period ending June 2018. EFL rules state clubs can lose no more than £39million over a three-year cycle.
The League’s case against Derby is understood to rest on the controversial sale of Pride Park, which was sold to a company controlled by the club’s owner Mel Morris for £80m two years ago and leased back the club. Following the sale, Derby recorded a pre-tax profit of £14.6m last April, which enabled them to comply with the P&S regulations.
The EFL launched an investigation into Derby’s valuation of Pride Park at the start of this season, as their rules state that any property sales and commercial deals included in club accounts must be at fair market rates.
Sportsmail have been told that the EFL’s independent valuation deemed Pride Park to be worth approximately £50m. They have therefore accused Derby of overvaluing the asset by £30m. The club stand by their valuation and insist they complied with the rules throughout, so the stage is set for a lengthy legal battle.
Derby’s case will be heard by a three-person independent panel, who have the power to impose a large fine and dock the club up to 21 points in line with the EFL’s fixed P&S tariffs, which were introduced three years ago.
If the panel uphold the charge, Derby would have breached the spending limits by around £15m, putting them in line for the maximum 12-point deduction. The EFL could also argue Derby have committed an aggravated breach, which would incur an additional nine-point sanction.
Derby, who are captained by Wayne Rooney, sit 17th in the Championship, 10 points above the relegation zone, so being docked 21 points would almost certainly lead to relegation.
The EFL said in a statement: ‘Following a review of Derby P&S submissions, the EFL has charged the club for recording losses in excess of the permitted amounts for the three-year period ending June 30, 2018. The club will now be referred to an independent disciplinary commission which will hear representations from the EFL and Derby County.’
Derby have endured a turbulent season, with Sportsmail revealing on January 2 that the players’ wages were delayed in December.
In October they sacked captain Richard Keogh. He had sustained a serious knee injury the previous month as a passenger in a car crash following a drunken night out with team-mates.
Tom Lawrence and Mason Bennett were fined, banned from driving for two years and ordered to do 180 hours of unpaid work for their part in the incident.
Keogh has appealed to the EFL against his sacking and is awaiting a date for that hearing.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7895895/Derby-County-charged-EFL-making-excess-losses-FFP-regulations.html
It's in the Daily Mail, so it must be right!
I'm sure most,(not all!)but most Derby fans laughed and were happy when Leeds got dragged through the crap heap, but Leeds did it with miss management, and a fan that thought he had to do it the fans way!..
What a dumbass!..
Derby haven't done this with miss management, the people upstairs new exactly what they were doing, so, if they get away with it then so be it!..
If not than there'll be more then just Leeds fans laughing, exactly the same as what we went through when it felt like the footballing world was laughing, but, the heat that's built up over the last season or so will make it that little better for the Leeds side of the laugh!..
Who is this miss management and why is she at Leeds and not Derby?
What is the problem with selling an asset before you exceed the financial rules of ffp? Would it be better to be like Bolton and Portsmouth and have to sell assets after they have gone in to receivership, thus causing numerous honest traders to not receive their money?
Money has actually changed hands with the Derby deal, unlike Wednesday and Brum who have just received IOUs.
The Derby deal had an independent valuation. Now all of a sudden every Leeds fan, Forest fan and Steve Gibson is an expert on valuing assets.
Derby seeking the moral high ground.
Delusional. And fooking laughable.
And count me as one who'll be laughing
my rear off when justice is served.
The Derby deal had an independent valuation.
Who conducted it? How independent was it?
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posted on 16/1/20
Parachute payments pay more for losing your place in the Premiership than the Champions of Germany get for winning their league, the Premiership and the dumbass money they sniff is the downfall of football, and that's the reason clubs have dumbass problems to get there!..
Its been said lots of times before, the "Fit For Purpose" thing, the Leagues should do it on themselves before making laws up as they go along!..
Football will get a lot worst before it gets better!..
posted on 16/1/20
Time someone had the balls to sign players on contracts with clauses cutting their wages if they get relegated. I'm not sure how it would work, but the big clubs should be limited to the amount of players on their books, they can't sign everybody.
It might just get some of the useless feckers playing for their living too?
posted on 16/1/20
Well said Scouse
posted on 16/1/20
comment by Batty - Prem4harj (U4664)
posted 22 minutes ago
I get that Kebab.
Doesn't make the idea any less ridiculous in my mind.
It basically gives teams already in the division a kick in the nuts. And gives the relegated team a huge advantage. I don't know what the alternative is. But there has to be one.
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Yeah agree. Its a difficult one.
posted on 16/1/20
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 17 minutes ago
Time someone had the balls to sign players on contracts with clauses cutting their wages if they get relegated. I'm not sure how it would work, but the big clubs should be limited to the amount of players on their books, they can't sign everybody.
It might just get some of the useless feckers playing for their living too?
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The theory is great but in reality no player is going to sign the deal - he will just go somewhere else who dosnt put the clause in.
posted on 16/1/20
ALL these sad leeds tvvats,
posted on 16/1/20
comment by Zigger Zagger (U6905)
posted 1 minute ago
ALL these sad leeds tvvats,
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but we are happy?
posted on 16/1/20
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Zigger Zagger (U6905)
posted 1 minute ago
ALL these sad leeds tvvats,
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but we are happy?
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Not as happy as we are.
posted on 16/1/20
Just incredible the fuss they caused over bielsa watching them train, like they were the whitest club around, hard done to. The way fat cuuunty bollox frank played the victim card and all along they we’re cheating on a very large scale,
I hope they get relegated as a result and Rooney injures his groin nobbing a granny and get ruled out for the rest of the season.
posted on 16/1/20
Couldn’t happen to a nicer club. Maybe a record points deduction to go with the Prems record lowest points total🤣🤣🤣
posted on 16/1/20
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 3 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 17 minutes ago
Time someone had the balls to sign players on contracts with clauses cutting their wages if they get relegated. I'm not sure how it would work, but the big clubs should be limited to the amount of players on their books, they can't sign everybody.
It might just get some of the useless feckers playing for their living too?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The theory is great but in reality no player is going to sign the deal - he will just go somewhere else who dosnt put the clause in.
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Unfortunately yes that's what will happen. But if everyone stuck together (which goes against all human nature), things could be resolved, but the dog eats dog wins attitude every time.
posted on 16/1/20
*dog eats dog attitude wins every time.
posted on 17/1/20
A possible 21 point deduction. You have to laugh.
posted on 17/1/20
Direby in dire straits?
posted on 17/1/20
We wont get any point reduction
posted on 17/1/20
You know what it's like when you want something to happen so bad then it doesn't?
Sure you do, "Stop crying Frank Lampard." You even made a song up.
We'll you'll need counselling when this FFP nonsense comes to nothing.
posted on 17/1/20
You aren't a promotion rival, you aren't a relegation rival, so I don't really care where you finish TBH. It's just funny when a bit of justice gets handed out to a horrible club who deserve nothing less to get 21 points taken off them for cheating.
posted on 17/1/20
posted on 17/1/20
Derby in the dock: Threat of 21-point penalty looms over Championship side after £80m Pride Park sale
*Derby County have been charged by the EFL for making excess losses under FFP
*Derby recorded the losses over a three year period which ended June 30, 2018
*Championship club will be referred to an independent disciplinary commission
*If the case against them is proven then Derby could face a points deduction
Derby are facing a 21-point deduction that could relegate them to League One after they were charged by the EFL with a breach of spending regulations.
The Championship club’s proposed investment from Swiss- Turkish businessman Henry Gabay is also in jeopardy.
Derby are charged with breaking profit and sustainability (P&S) rules for the three-year period ending June 2018. EFL rules state clubs can lose no more than £39million over a three-year cycle.
The League’s case against Derby is understood to rest on the controversial sale of Pride Park, which was sold to a company controlled by the club’s owner Mel Morris for £80m two years ago and leased back the club. Following the sale, Derby recorded a pre-tax profit of £14.6m last April, which enabled them to comply with the P&S regulations.
The EFL launched an investigation into Derby’s valuation of Pride Park at the start of this season, as their rules state that any property sales and commercial deals included in club accounts must be at fair market rates.
Sportsmail have been told that the EFL’s independent valuation deemed Pride Park to be worth approximately £50m. They have therefore accused Derby of overvaluing the asset by £30m. The club stand by their valuation and insist they complied with the rules throughout, so the stage is set for a lengthy legal battle.
Derby’s case will be heard by a three-person independent panel, who have the power to impose a large fine and dock the club up to 21 points in line with the EFL’s fixed P&S tariffs, which were introduced three years ago.
If the panel uphold the charge, Derby would have breached the spending limits by around £15m, putting them in line for the maximum 12-point deduction. The EFL could also argue Derby have committed an aggravated breach, which would incur an additional nine-point sanction.
Derby, who are captained by Wayne Rooney, sit 17th in the Championship, 10 points above the relegation zone, so being docked 21 points would almost certainly lead to relegation.
The EFL said in a statement: ‘Following a review of Derby P&S submissions, the EFL has charged the club for recording losses in excess of the permitted amounts for the three-year period ending June 30, 2018. The club will now be referred to an independent disciplinary commission which will hear representations from the EFL and Derby County.’
Derby have endured a turbulent season, with Sportsmail revealing on January 2 that the players’ wages were delayed in December.
In October they sacked captain Richard Keogh. He had sustained a serious knee injury the previous month as a passenger in a car crash following a drunken night out with team-mates.
Tom Lawrence and Mason Bennett were fined, banned from driving for two years and ordered to do 180 hours of unpaid work for their part in the incident.
Keogh has appealed to the EFL against his sacking and is awaiting a date for that hearing.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7895895/Derby-County-charged-EFL-making-excess-losses-FFP-regulations.html
posted on 17/1/20
Yawn
posted on 17/1/20
It's in the Daily Mail, so it must be right!
posted on 17/1/20
I'm sure most,(not all!)but most Derby fans laughed and were happy when Leeds got dragged through the crap heap, but Leeds did it with miss management, and a fan that thought he had to do it the fans way!..
What a dumbass!..
Derby haven't done this with miss management, the people upstairs new exactly what they were doing, so, if they get away with it then so be it!..
If not than there'll be more then just Leeds fans laughing, exactly the same as what we went through when it felt like the footballing world was laughing, but, the heat that's built up over the last season or so will make it that little better for the Leeds side of the laugh!..
posted on 17/1/20
Who is this miss management and why is she at Leeds and not Derby?
What is the problem with selling an asset before you exceed the financial rules of ffp? Would it be better to be like Bolton and Portsmouth and have to sell assets after they have gone in to receivership, thus causing numerous honest traders to not receive their money?
Money has actually changed hands with the Derby deal, unlike Wednesday and Brum who have just received IOUs.
The Derby deal had an independent valuation. Now all of a sudden every Leeds fan, Forest fan and Steve Gibson is an expert on valuing assets.
posted on 17/1/20
Derby seeking the moral high ground.
Delusional. And fooking laughable.
And count me as one who'll be laughing
my rear off when justice is served.
posted on 17/1/20
The Derby deal had an independent valuation.
Who conducted it? How independent was it?
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