VAR shouldn't be scrapped, our incompetent* refs should. The rules should be redefined and made clear. The use of VAR for offsides needs to reviewed. The handball rule needs to be reviewed.
It's not so much VAR, but as has been said, the rules surrounding it.
To be fair, it has corrected many decisions that might have wrongly costed teams points.
Strange to think that whoever wins this seasons Premier league, will be the most scrutinised team in the history of the competition, and could probably be called the first truly legitimate winners in Premier League history.
Fair play to whoever wins it this season, as it will be one hell of an achievement.
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You wish.
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Another thing for Billy and rival fans to blame for their teams failures and accuse of favouring Liverpool
Half of the season is gone, and some teams having enjoyed some advantage from some outrageously biased decisions, and now they decide to make refs check the monitors?
Really, something isn't right
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 16 seconds ago
Half of the season is gone, and some teams having enjoyed some advantage from some outrageously biased decisions, and now they decide to make refs check the monitors?
Really, something isn't right
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Yeah, but you should just take the luck you had in the first half of the season and run with it.
Spurs must be one of the biggest benefactors of VAR this season.
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 53 seconds ago
Spurs must be one of the biggest benefactors of VAR this season.
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Definitely.
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 54 seconds ago
Half of the season is gone, and some teams having enjoyed some advantage from some outrageously biased decisions, and now they decide to make refs check the monitors?
Really, something isn't right
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Yeah, Spurs are crap.
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comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 53 seconds ago
Spurs must be one of the biggest benefactors of VAR this season.
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Definitely.
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VAR only helps those who help themselves.
Yeah but everyone knows the italian leagues corrupt af. Isnt a team punished for bribing refs every season?
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It will probably be Napoli's turn soon.
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 15 minutes ago
Half of the season is gone, and some teams having enjoyed some advantage from some outrageously biased decisions, and now they decide to make refs check the monitors?
Really, something isn't right
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Indeed.
Bit late for Firmino, who had probably the worst offside decision of them all, but hey oh, we battle on.
https://news.paddypower.com/football/2019/11/13/premier-league-should-ditch-var-say-two-thirds-of-fans/
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 53 seconds ago
Spurs must be one of the biggest benefactors of VAR this season.
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Definitely.
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VAR only helps those who help themselves.
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VAR has succeeded in making a farce of the off-side rule. Now off-side can be applied if someone's nose hairs, big toe nail, chin etc. are beyond the last defender. The off-side rule was always somewhat controversial. VAR has made it a total joke.
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 3 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 53 seconds ago
Spurs must be one of the biggest benefactors of VAR this season.
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Definitely.
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VAR only helps those who help themselves.
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VAR has succeeded in making a farce of the off-side rule. Now off-side can be applied if someone's nose hairs, big toe nail, chin etc. are beyond the last defender. The off-side rule was always somewhat controversial. VAR has made it a total joke.
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The answer is obvious. Keep changing the rules of the game until it makes sense for VAR.
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 5 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 53 seconds ago
Spurs must be one of the biggest benefactors of VAR this season.
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Definitely.
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VAR only helps those who help themselves.
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VAR has succeeded in making a farce of the off-side rule. Now off-side can be applied if someone's nose hairs, big toe nail, chin etc. are beyond the last defender. The off-side rule was always somewhat controversial. VAR has made it a total joke.
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Its always been offside if someone's nose hairs, big toe nail, chin etc. are beyond the last defender. The only question used to be whether the linesman would flag or not.
If the linesman flagged and replays showed that only a toenail was offside, we would hail the accuracy of the linesman on a correct offside call.
Why has this changed after VAR? All of a sudden people are uncomfortable with hairline offsides. Its always been that offside is offside, end of.
VAR is a tool and did not introduce new rules to the game. If your expectations are irrational you will be frustrated.
My only gripe with VAR is the time its taking to make decisions.
“If the linesman flagged and replays showed that only a toenail was offside, we would hail the accuracy of the linesman on a correct offside call.”
This is inaccurate.
What used to happen is we’d see a handful of replays and in these instances, there would generally be two reactions - one from people who accepted its too tight to call and others from people who felt they could see one way or the other and complain about the linesman.
The latter group are part of the reason VAR - is in this mess; people obsessed with perfecting the decision making of a rule when it adds no tangible value and slows the game down immensely.
You say yourself that time is the issue and that’s exactly it - people are moaning because they don’t understand why the game is being held up to manually try and decide whether an armpit is 1mm ahead of the defender. It’s absurd.
As for the OP, you’d like to think this will be a positive step, if referees are given licence to use common sense.
The danger is though that, just like the World Cup, is they’re told to look at the monitor then they’ve already sort of decided that they must have made an error.
What used to happen is we’d see a handful of replays and in these instances, there would generally be two reactions - one from people who accepted its too tight to call and others from people who felt they could see one way or the other and complain about the linesman.
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I said the toenail was offside. This is not in question so its not a "too tight to call scenario". If the toenail is visibly offside then it wouldn't lead to what you said.
The post I was replying to is about toenails and nose hairs being offside, not the ones where you can't tell if a body part is offside.
You would do well to read and understand what has gone before, instead of just replying to my posts out of context. This makes the rest of your musings kinda pointless.
You say yourself that time is the issue and that’s exactly it - people are moaning because they don’t understand why the game is being held up to manually try and decide whether an armpit is 1mm ahead of the defender. It’s absurd.
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This means there are scenarios where its OK to hold up the game? If its absurd to manually try and decide whether an armpit is 1mm ahead of the defender, then when is it not absurd? When the armpit is 2mm offside?
Fact is the game should jot be held up for any check. All checks should be within a reasonable time frame, not just checks for mm offsides.
You are wrong because people are also unhappy when the game is held up for 4 minutes to decide a handball or any other decision for that matter. It shouldn't be happening and hopefully it will be fixed.
Its not about the decision or the details of an incident, its about the time taken to reach all decisions.
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posted on 17/1/20
VAR shouldn't be scrapped, our incompetent* refs should. The rules should be redefined and made clear. The use of VAR for offsides needs to reviewed. The handball rule needs to be reviewed.
posted on 17/1/20
It's not so much VAR, but as has been said, the rules surrounding it.
To be fair, it has corrected many decisions that might have wrongly costed teams points.
Strange to think that whoever wins this seasons Premier league, will be the most scrutinised team in the history of the competition, and could probably be called the first truly legitimate winners in Premier League history.
Fair play to whoever wins it this season, as it will be one hell of an achievement.
posted on 17/1/20
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posted on 17/1/20
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posted on 17/1/20
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 48 seconds ago
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You wish.
posted on 17/1/20
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posted on 17/1/20
Another thing for Billy and rival fans to blame for their teams failures and accuse of favouring Liverpool
posted on 17/1/20
Half of the season is gone, and some teams having enjoyed some advantage from some outrageously biased decisions, and now they decide to make refs check the monitors?
Really, something isn't right
posted on 17/1/20
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 16 seconds ago
Half of the season is gone, and some teams having enjoyed some advantage from some outrageously biased decisions, and now they decide to make refs check the monitors?
Really, something isn't right
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Yeah, but you should just take the luck you had in the first half of the season and run with it.
posted on 17/1/20
Spurs must be one of the biggest benefactors of VAR this season.
posted on 17/1/20
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 53 seconds ago
Spurs must be one of the biggest benefactors of VAR this season.
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Definitely.
posted on 17/1/20
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 54 seconds ago
Half of the season is gone, and some teams having enjoyed some advantage from some outrageously biased decisions, and now they decide to make refs check the monitors?
Really, something isn't right
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Yeah, Spurs are crap.
posted on 17/1/20
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posted on 17/1/20
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 53 seconds ago
Spurs must be one of the biggest benefactors of VAR this season.
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Definitely.
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VAR only helps those who help themselves.
posted on 17/1/20
Yeah but everyone knows the italian leagues corrupt af. Isnt a team punished for bribing refs every season?
posted on 17/1/20
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posted on 17/1/20
It will probably be Napoli's turn soon.
posted on 17/1/20
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 15 minutes ago
Half of the season is gone, and some teams having enjoyed some advantage from some outrageously biased decisions, and now they decide to make refs check the monitors?
Really, something isn't right
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Indeed.
Bit late for Firmino, who had probably the worst offside decision of them all, but hey oh, we battle on.
posted on 17/1/20
https://news.paddypower.com/football/2019/11/13/premier-league-should-ditch-var-say-two-thirds-of-fans/
posted on 18/1/20
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 53 seconds ago
Spurs must be one of the biggest benefactors of VAR this season.
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Definitely.
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VAR only helps those who help themselves.
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VAR has succeeded in making a farce of the off-side rule. Now off-side can be applied if someone's nose hairs, big toe nail, chin etc. are beyond the last defender. The off-side rule was always somewhat controversial. VAR has made it a total joke.
posted on 18/1/20
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 3 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 53 seconds ago
Spurs must be one of the biggest benefactors of VAR this season.
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Definitely.
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VAR only helps those who help themselves.
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VAR has succeeded in making a farce of the off-side rule. Now off-side can be applied if someone's nose hairs, big toe nail, chin etc. are beyond the last defender. The off-side rule was always somewhat controversial. VAR has made it a total joke.
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The answer is obvious. Keep changing the rules of the game until it makes sense for VAR.
posted on 18/1/20
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 5 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 53 seconds ago
Spurs must be one of the biggest benefactors of VAR this season.
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Definitely.
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VAR only helps those who help themselves.
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VAR has succeeded in making a farce of the off-side rule. Now off-side can be applied if someone's nose hairs, big toe nail, chin etc. are beyond the last defender. The off-side rule was always somewhat controversial. VAR has made it a total joke.
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Its always been offside if someone's nose hairs, big toe nail, chin etc. are beyond the last defender. The only question used to be whether the linesman would flag or not.
If the linesman flagged and replays showed that only a toenail was offside, we would hail the accuracy of the linesman on a correct offside call.
Why has this changed after VAR? All of a sudden people are uncomfortable with hairline offsides. Its always been that offside is offside, end of.
VAR is a tool and did not introduce new rules to the game. If your expectations are irrational you will be frustrated.
My only gripe with VAR is the time its taking to make decisions.
posted on 18/1/20
“If the linesman flagged and replays showed that only a toenail was offside, we would hail the accuracy of the linesman on a correct offside call.”
This is inaccurate.
What used to happen is we’d see a handful of replays and in these instances, there would generally be two reactions - one from people who accepted its too tight to call and others from people who felt they could see one way or the other and complain about the linesman.
The latter group are part of the reason VAR - is in this mess; people obsessed with perfecting the decision making of a rule when it adds no tangible value and slows the game down immensely.
You say yourself that time is the issue and that’s exactly it - people are moaning because they don’t understand why the game is being held up to manually try and decide whether an armpit is 1mm ahead of the defender. It’s absurd.
As for the OP, you’d like to think this will be a positive step, if referees are given licence to use common sense.
The danger is though that, just like the World Cup, is they’re told to look at the monitor then they’ve already sort of decided that they must have made an error.
posted on 18/1/20
What used to happen is we’d see a handful of replays and in these instances, there would generally be two reactions - one from people who accepted its too tight to call and others from people who felt they could see one way or the other and complain about the linesman.
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I said the toenail was offside. This is not in question so its not a "too tight to call scenario". If the toenail is visibly offside then it wouldn't lead to what you said.
The post I was replying to is about toenails and nose hairs being offside, not the ones where you can't tell if a body part is offside.
You would do well to read and understand what has gone before, instead of just replying to my posts out of context. This makes the rest of your musings kinda pointless.
posted on 18/1/20
You say yourself that time is the issue and that’s exactly it - people are moaning because they don’t understand why the game is being held up to manually try and decide whether an armpit is 1mm ahead of the defender. It’s absurd.
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This means there are scenarios where its OK to hold up the game? If its absurd to manually try and decide whether an armpit is 1mm ahead of the defender, then when is it not absurd? When the armpit is 2mm offside?
Fact is the game should jot be held up for any check. All checks should be within a reasonable time frame, not just checks for mm offsides.
You are wrong because people are also unhappy when the game is held up for 4 minutes to decide a handball or any other decision for that matter. It shouldn't be happening and hopefully it will be fixed.
Its not about the decision or the details of an incident, its about the time taken to reach all decisions.
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