comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 15 minutes ago
Bur we haven’t just been signing short term buys, mercenaries and desperation buys.
And we are facking desperate, in case you hadn’t notice. This notion that United shouldn’t make any short term buys is complete nonsense. This delusion that United are going to just make long terms signings and progress over the long term is ridiculous. We need to be competitive in the short term as well, especially if we want these younger players to actually stay at the club.
Lack of short term planning has messed up our season. And it will cost us further if we fail to do so this January. Not being in the CL has long term implications for the team, especially as it’s pretty clear Sancho is our number one target this summer, and we’ve already seen that it can cause us issues in attracting players due to our inability to keep qualifying.
It’s possible for United to make signings that have short, medium and long term impacts on the team. In fact, it’s been the case the entirety of the Woodward regime. This myth that we’ve only been signing big name, ageing mercenaries doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
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Put it to these people that we (most of the time) need CL football to attract the best players to take us forward and they will say we’ve not had trouble attracting big names in recent years without it - which players were those again? Oh yes, the type of player these guys don’t even want at the club 😂
If we really wanted to make 4th the target this year, we probably needed to get 6 players, spend 350 million,
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No. Because the team we’re competing for 4th place have spent nothing and also have a relative novice coach. They have gotten 13 points from their last 11 league games and still are 5 points ahead of us. It didn’t need some record breaking investment. Just the right investment.
Yeah in some cases.
The problem is with it that I think it was seen as a blip in the main to begin with, and we had world renowned coaches as well.
But the longer this has gone on it’s become apparent to most that United are just badly run. And other clubs around Europe and in the league are becoming just as attractive as we are.
It is now harder for us to attract quality outside the CL than it was a couple of years ago. Yet we are still spending money on a par with teams that compete to actually win the trophy.
If we don’t get CL football and keep Ole I would genuinely be gobsmacked if we got Sancho. I’d actually question his motives tbh.
Yeah same. Chelsea looks most likely, and you can’t blame him all things considered. It’ll be Eden Hazard all over again.
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 25 minutes ago
If we really wanted to make 4th the target this year, we probably needed to get 6 players, spend 350 million,
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No. Because the team we’re competing for 4th place have spent nothing and also have a relative novice coach. They have gotten 13 points from their last 11 league games and still are 5 points ahead of us. It didn’t need some record breaking investment. Just the right investment.
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We probably did need 6 players tho in truth... What we got wrong is the order of priority
Like you did too
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 29 seconds ago
Yeah same. Chelsea looks most likely, and you can’t blame him all things considered. It’ll be Eden Hazard all over again.
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That means we’ll win the league then after buying Auba 🥳🥳🥳
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 25 minutes ago
If we really wanted to make 4th the target this year, we probably needed to get 6 players, spend 350 million,
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No. Because the team we’re competing for 4th place have spent nothing and also have a relative novice coach. They have gotten 13 points from their last 11 league games and still are 5 points ahead of us. It didn’t need some record breaking investment. Just the right investment.
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We probably did need 6 players tho in truth... What we got wrong is the order of priority
Like you did too
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We didn’t need to spend £350 million though
Could have kept Smalling. Brought in Tielemans, Dembele and Ricardo and I’m sure we’d be better off than we are now.
hindsight is a wonderful think
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 25 minutes ago
If we really wanted to make 4th the target this year, we probably needed to get 6 players, spend 350 million,
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No. Because the team we’re competing for 4th place have spent nothing and also have a relative novice coach. They have gotten 13 points from their last 11 league games and still are 5 points ahead of us. It didn’t need some record breaking investment. Just the right investment.
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We probably did need 6 players tho in truth... What we got wrong is the order of priority
Like you did too
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We didn’t need to spend £350 million though
Could have kept Smalling. Brought in Tielemans, Dembele and Ricardo and I’m sure we’d be better off than we are now.
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I never mentioned the cost... No point as you're only guessing on targets and prices
We needed 2 midfielders... Striker... Winger... Rb... Cb
Midfield should have been more of a priority than cb imo... Maintained that all along
comment by Phendombele (U20037)
posted 50 seconds ago
hindsight is a wonderful think
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For some of us its not hindsight
We needed 2 midfielders... Striker... Winger... Rb... Cb
same. and youre already better than us, likely to get our last manager and will try to raid some of our team next
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 25 minutes ago
If we really wanted to make 4th the target this year, we probably needed to get 6 players, spend 350 million,
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No. Because the team we’re competing for 4th place have spent nothing and also have a relative novice coach. They have gotten 13 points from their last 11 league games and still are 5 points ahead of us. It didn’t need some record breaking investment. Just the right investment.
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We probably did need 6 players tho in truth... What we got wrong is the order of priority
Like you did too
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We didn’t need to spend £350 million though
Could have kept Smalling. Brought in Tielemans, Dembele and Ricardo and I’m sure we’d be better off than we are now.
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I never mentioned the cost... No point as you're only guessing on targets and prices
We needed 2 midfielders... Striker... Winger... Rb... Cb
Midfield should have been more of a priority than cb imo... Maintained that all along
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The £350 million is what the other poster mentioned that I was originally replying to.
As to the Order of signings, I’m not taking any flak for that as I’m just a guy on a forum. I don’t control the order in which the manager signs players. He chose a CB and a right back and that is all on him.
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 25 minutes ago
If we really wanted to make 4th the target this year, we probably needed to get 6 players, spend 350 million,
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No. Because the team we’re competing for 4th place have spent nothing and also have a relative novice coach. They have gotten 13 points from their last 11 league games and still are 5 points ahead of us. It didn’t need some record breaking investment. Just the right investment.
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We probably did need 6 players tho in truth... What we got wrong is the order of priority
Like you did too
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We didn’t need to spend £350 million though
Could have kept Smalling. Brought in Tielemans, Dembele and Ricardo and I’m sure we’d be better off than we are now.
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I never mentioned the cost... No point as you're only guessing on targets and prices
We needed 2 midfielders... Striker... Winger... Rb... Cb
Midfield should have been more of a priority than cb imo... Maintained that all along
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The £350 million is what the other poster mentioned that I was originally replying to.
As to the Order of signings, I’m not taking any flak for that as I’m just a guy on a forum. I don’t control the order in which the manager signs players. He chose a CB and a right back and that is all on him.
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Cop out
Maguire was your summer poster boy and you wouldn't listen to reason
You can't give him flak for doing what you wanted and not get a bit of stick
Anyway.... We need signings now... Simple as that
Also... Ive no faith the club will manage to get them
Shugs, in Rob’s defence he did maintain that midfield should be addressed as well. And stupidly thought the club would get these things done and that Maguuwould still be a good signing as a result. We knew better.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
Shugs, in Rob’s defence he did maintain that midfield should be addressed as well. And stupidly thought the club would get these things done and that Maguuwould still be a good signing as a result. We knew better.
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Exactly
I will always own up to my stupidity and told Darren a few months back I was wrong on Maguire
But as he said I thought we’d also bring more people in. I sometimes forget just how stupid the people at United are.
But as he said I thought we’d also bring more people in. I sometimes forget just how stupid the people at United are.
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I'd imagine Ole had a similar expectation
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 30 seconds ago
But as he said I thought we’d also bring more people in. I sometimes forget just how stupid the people at United are.
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I'd imagine Ole had a similar expectation
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True but I’m sure he has some say in what he wants and even to this day he insists AWB and Maguire were his preferences
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 30 seconds ago
But as he said I thought we’d also bring more people in. I sometimes forget just how stupid the people at United are.
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I'd imagine Ole had a similar expectation
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True but I’m sure he has some say in what he wants and even to this day he insists AWB and Maguire were his preferences
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And they are good players who will play 6-7 years for us. I don't think there's another signing we can say this about
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
But he has the patience we need, the dedication to youth which is the foundation of Man United ethos.
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That literally means nothing though. We may as well promote the youth coach. That sort of vague set of attributes would barely get a manager a job at a league 2 club.
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Great. It got Ole his at United. Can't blame us for getting the absolute opposite of Jose to steady the ship and streamline the team. He is doing his job, inspite of the management being foolish and the criticism because he knows that he cannot think like you all are combined with the stupidity of Ed. It would probably hamstring us for another 2-3 years. And while many think we have unlimited money, we really do not. And the prices of a player are an extra 20-30% when it comes to us.
We must be patient or else we risk repeating the same mistakes over again. I'm tired of this sheit. The short cuts just keep on biting us. Build a good team and the success, sustainable success will come.
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posted on 21/1/20
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 15 minutes ago
Bur we haven’t just been signing short term buys, mercenaries and desperation buys.
And we are facking desperate, in case you hadn’t notice. This notion that United shouldn’t make any short term buys is complete nonsense. This delusion that United are going to just make long terms signings and progress over the long term is ridiculous. We need to be competitive in the short term as well, especially if we want these younger players to actually stay at the club.
Lack of short term planning has messed up our season. And it will cost us further if we fail to do so this January. Not being in the CL has long term implications for the team, especially as it’s pretty clear Sancho is our number one target this summer, and we’ve already seen that it can cause us issues in attracting players due to our inability to keep qualifying.
It’s possible for United to make signings that have short, medium and long term impacts on the team. In fact, it’s been the case the entirety of the Woodward regime. This myth that we’ve only been signing big name, ageing mercenaries doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
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Put it to these people that we (most of the time) need CL football to attract the best players to take us forward and they will say we’ve not had trouble attracting big names in recent years without it - which players were those again? Oh yes, the type of player these guys don’t even want at the club 😂
posted on 21/1/20
If we really wanted to make 4th the target this year, we probably needed to get 6 players, spend 350 million,
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No. Because the team we’re competing for 4th place have spent nothing and also have a relative novice coach. They have gotten 13 points from their last 11 league games and still are 5 points ahead of us. It didn’t need some record breaking investment. Just the right investment.
posted on 21/1/20
Yeah in some cases.
The problem is with it that I think it was seen as a blip in the main to begin with, and we had world renowned coaches as well.
But the longer this has gone on it’s become apparent to most that United are just badly run. And other clubs around Europe and in the league are becoming just as attractive as we are.
It is now harder for us to attract quality outside the CL than it was a couple of years ago. Yet we are still spending money on a par with teams that compete to actually win the trophy.
posted on 21/1/20
If we don’t get CL football and keep Ole I would genuinely be gobsmacked if we got Sancho. I’d actually question his motives tbh.
posted on 21/1/20
Yeah same. Chelsea looks most likely, and you can’t blame him all things considered. It’ll be Eden Hazard all over again.
posted on 21/1/20
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 25 minutes ago
If we really wanted to make 4th the target this year, we probably needed to get 6 players, spend 350 million,
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No. Because the team we’re competing for 4th place have spent nothing and also have a relative novice coach. They have gotten 13 points from their last 11 league games and still are 5 points ahead of us. It didn’t need some record breaking investment. Just the right investment.
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We probably did need 6 players tho in truth... What we got wrong is the order of priority
Like you did too
posted on 21/1/20
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 29 seconds ago
Yeah same. Chelsea looks most likely, and you can’t blame him all things considered. It’ll be Eden Hazard all over again.
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That means we’ll win the league then after buying Auba 🥳🥳🥳
posted on 21/1/20
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 25 minutes ago
If we really wanted to make 4th the target this year, we probably needed to get 6 players, spend 350 million,
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No. Because the team we’re competing for 4th place have spent nothing and also have a relative novice coach. They have gotten 13 points from their last 11 league games and still are 5 points ahead of us. It didn’t need some record breaking investment. Just the right investment.
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We probably did need 6 players tho in truth... What we got wrong is the order of priority
Like you did too
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We didn’t need to spend £350 million though
Could have kept Smalling. Brought in Tielemans, Dembele and Ricardo and I’m sure we’d be better off than we are now.
posted on 21/1/20
hindsight is a wonderful think
posted on 21/1/20
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 25 minutes ago
If we really wanted to make 4th the target this year, we probably needed to get 6 players, spend 350 million,
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No. Because the team we’re competing for 4th place have spent nothing and also have a relative novice coach. They have gotten 13 points from their last 11 league games and still are 5 points ahead of us. It didn’t need some record breaking investment. Just the right investment.
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We probably did need 6 players tho in truth... What we got wrong is the order of priority
Like you did too
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We didn’t need to spend £350 million though
Could have kept Smalling. Brought in Tielemans, Dembele and Ricardo and I’m sure we’d be better off than we are now.
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I never mentioned the cost... No point as you're only guessing on targets and prices
We needed 2 midfielders... Striker... Winger... Rb... Cb
Midfield should have been more of a priority than cb imo... Maintained that all along
posted on 21/1/20
comment by Phendombele (U20037)
posted 50 seconds ago
hindsight is a wonderful think
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For some of us its not hindsight
posted on 21/1/20
We needed 2 midfielders... Striker... Winger... Rb... Cb
same. and youre already better than us, likely to get our last manager and will try to raid some of our team next
posted on 21/1/20
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 25 minutes ago
If we really wanted to make 4th the target this year, we probably needed to get 6 players, spend 350 million,
————
No. Because the team we’re competing for 4th place have spent nothing and also have a relative novice coach. They have gotten 13 points from their last 11 league games and still are 5 points ahead of us. It didn’t need some record breaking investment. Just the right investment.
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We probably did need 6 players tho in truth... What we got wrong is the order of priority
Like you did too
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We didn’t need to spend £350 million though
Could have kept Smalling. Brought in Tielemans, Dembele and Ricardo and I’m sure we’d be better off than we are now.
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I never mentioned the cost... No point as you're only guessing on targets and prices
We needed 2 midfielders... Striker... Winger... Rb... Cb
Midfield should have been more of a priority than cb imo... Maintained that all along
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The £350 million is what the other poster mentioned that I was originally replying to.
As to the Order of signings, I’m not taking any flak for that as I’m just a guy on a forum. I don’t control the order in which the manager signs players. He chose a CB and a right back and that is all on him.
posted on 21/1/20
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 25 minutes ago
If we really wanted to make 4th the target this year, we probably needed to get 6 players, spend 350 million,
————
No. Because the team we’re competing for 4th place have spent nothing and also have a relative novice coach. They have gotten 13 points from their last 11 league games and still are 5 points ahead of us. It didn’t need some record breaking investment. Just the right investment.
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We probably did need 6 players tho in truth... What we got wrong is the order of priority
Like you did too
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We didn’t need to spend £350 million though
Could have kept Smalling. Brought in Tielemans, Dembele and Ricardo and I’m sure we’d be better off than we are now.
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I never mentioned the cost... No point as you're only guessing on targets and prices
We needed 2 midfielders... Striker... Winger... Rb... Cb
Midfield should have been more of a priority than cb imo... Maintained that all along
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The £350 million is what the other poster mentioned that I was originally replying to.
As to the Order of signings, I’m not taking any flak for that as I’m just a guy on a forum. I don’t control the order in which the manager signs players. He chose a CB and a right back and that is all on him.
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Cop out
Maguire was your summer poster boy and you wouldn't listen to reason
You can't give him flak for doing what you wanted and not get a bit of stick
Anyway.... We need signings now... Simple as that
Also... Ive no faith the club will manage to get them
posted on 21/1/20
Shugs, in Rob’s defence he did maintain that midfield should be addressed as well. And stupidly thought the club would get these things done and that Maguuwould still be a good signing as a result. We knew better.
posted on 21/1/20
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
Shugs, in Rob’s defence he did maintain that midfield should be addressed as well. And stupidly thought the club would get these things done and that Maguuwould still be a good signing as a result. We knew better.
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Exactly
I will always own up to my stupidity and told Darren a few months back I was wrong on Maguire
But as he said I thought we’d also bring more people in. I sometimes forget just how stupid the people at United are.
posted on 21/1/20
But as he said I thought we’d also bring more people in. I sometimes forget just how stupid the people at United are.
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I'd imagine Ole had a similar expectation
posted on 21/1/20
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 30 seconds ago
But as he said I thought we’d also bring more people in. I sometimes forget just how stupid the people at United are.
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I'd imagine Ole had a similar expectation
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True but I’m sure he has some say in what he wants and even to this day he insists AWB and Maguire were his preferences
posted on 21/1/20
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 30 seconds ago
But as he said I thought we’d also bring more people in. I sometimes forget just how stupid the people at United are.
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I'd imagine Ole had a similar expectation
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True but I’m sure he has some say in what he wants and even to this day he insists AWB and Maguire were his preferences
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And they are good players who will play 6-7 years for us. I don't think there's another signing we can say this about
posted on 21/1/20
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
But he has the patience we need, the dedication to youth which is the foundation of Man United ethos.
—————
That literally means nothing though. We may as well promote the youth coach. That sort of vague set of attributes would barely get a manager a job at a league 2 club.
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Great. It got Ole his at United. Can't blame us for getting the absolute opposite of Jose to steady the ship and streamline the team. He is doing his job, inspite of the management being foolish and the criticism because he knows that he cannot think like you all are combined with the stupidity of Ed. It would probably hamstring us for another 2-3 years. And while many think we have unlimited money, we really do not. And the prices of a player are an extra 20-30% when it comes to us.
We must be patient or else we risk repeating the same mistakes over again. I'm tired of this sheit. The short cuts just keep on biting us. Build a good team and the success, sustainable success will come.
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